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Designing Women S2 E18 - Mi My Mo Mena - Consuela!

Updated: Jul 3, 2023

You know it’s a wild ride when we start by selling edible undies and end by winning big in Atlantic City, well, not us, but Suzanne and her PICs, Charlene (AKA the Roomie) and Anthony (AKA the Gambling Advisor).


That’s right, when times get desperate, Suzanne does what any of us would do: takes her last bit of money, puts it all on black, and lets it ride. (That’s a thing, right?) Meanwhile, we have questions: what do nightly cake and pie parties entail? Who’s doing this…and can we come?


Stick around for this week’s “Extra Sugar” where we talk about great comebacks, inspired by Charlene’s FedEx story.


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Come on, let’s get into it!



 

Transcript

Salina: Hey, Nikki.

Nikki: Hey, Salina.

Salina: And hey everyone.

Salina: Hey y'all.

Salina: So we're out of proust.

Nikki: Thank God.

Salina: We're done.

Salina: I know we shouldn't make it sound that that terrible.

Salina: It was my idea.

Nikki: Sorry, Salina.

Nikki: No, it was very great.

Salina: This is long.

Nikki: It got long.

Salina: It was long.

Salina: And like we talked about that one time, it makes sense in a dinner or party situation because you're drinking, you.

Nikki: Have time to listen to other people's answers.

Nikki: It's just the two of us here.

Nikki: I don't know, it just is heavy.

Nikki: There's only so many people to borrow from.

Salina: Right?

Salina: And then sometimes it's just a hard foot to start off on.

Salina: So you die.

Salina: I'm just trying to talk about Designing Women.

Salina: I don't know.

Salina: Anyway, so we're going to do something different.

Salina: Just like I mean I'm not sure, maybe we'll do different things again.

Salina: But today, no reason at all.

Salina: Totally random.

Salina: If you could go on Sabbatical, tell me Nikki, what would you do and where would you go?

Salina: And I can stall for time with my stalling skills.

Nikki: Do you know your answer?

Salina: No, not really.

Nikki: Oh, okay.

Salina: But mine is probably just really it doesn't have to be like a true Sabbatical.

Nikki: I think if we are staying in the reasonable world we've talked a lot recently about moving to the European countryside.

Nikki: Somehow it feels different.

Nikki: Like the French countryside.

Nikki: Or the other day we were talking about the Netherlands, like Holland, Austria, something like that.

Nikki: Living in the European countryside.

Nikki: And we've actually had this conversation about how cool it would be.

Nikki: It would be an extra wrinkle for you and me on the podcast, but to be able to sure you're in the suitcase.

Nikki: If we could figure out the time zones and I had that free mental space to just focus on it and then Kyle could still do his job.

Nikki: And our kids, we could figure out whether we want them to go to school with expats or if we want to do like a tutor or if they would just go to I don't know what the schools are like there.

Nikki: I'd have to investigate.

Nikki: But a lot of Americans have done that and gotten world experience that is really useful to them.

Nikki: And I think that would be cool.

Nikki: I think that if I were on sabbatical from work in my current reality, in my real world, the podcast would be the focus and trying to figure out how to parlay that into some other creative opportunities and creative projects.

Salina: I love that in both of these scenarios I'm factored in, you're there.

Salina: That's wonderful.

Nikki: You're there either way.

Salina: So I think mine always goes back to this idea that I'd always want to be traveling and I'd need a home base, but I'd always want to be traveling and I think I would just want to it would be nothing to do with reason.

Salina: I'll try and think of a reasonable one.

Nikki: Don't.

Salina: Don't to, like, counter this one, but it would really just be like bouncing around to anywhere that I haven't been first.

Salina: And then I'd like to come back and really languish in some areas, really spend some time in some places, like where I've had to rush through in the past or I felt like there was all these things that I needed to do.

Salina: I feel like I've gotten better about that as I've traveled more.

Salina: But even like four and five years ago, I was like, oh, you got.

Nikki: To do everything that's here.

Salina: You may never come back.

Salina: And I tried to get out of that mindset, you can always come back, and that way it's more enjoyable.

Nikki: I think if money is no object, then yeah, I think my sabbatical would be very similar to yours.

Nikki: Like some sort of version of traveling.

Nikki: Whether it's like spending six months in some part, I keep coming back to, like, a rural part or a smaller town in France, but it would get me to Paris if I need to.

Nikki: Or I could go to London for a week or something like that.

Nikki: So money is no object if I don't have to worry about making money or some sort of career and my kids schooling wasn't factored in.

Nikki: Yeah, traveling 100%, that's what a tutor is for, right?

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: Cool.

Salina: You all will instill the social skills somehow.

Salina: It'll be fine.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: I don't know.

Salina: I just want to experience culture and do different things all the time.

Salina: For New Year's this year?

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: I was like, Wait, what day was it?

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: On New Year's Day, we were in Asheville.

Salina: I want to experience something different, so I went somewhere else in the south.

Nikki: So it's been eight days and she's.

Salina: Forgotten already, but we went to like, an Italian restaurant and you got a.

Nikki: Really good flavor for Italy.

Salina: And actually it was really good.

Salina: I mean, let's be honest, we've really stepped it up a notch in the south in our culinary skills.

Salina: But what I was going to say that I really liked about it is they brought out traditional Italian foods for the holidays and that was something we got to taste throughout the meal.

Nikki: Oh, that's cool.

Salina: And I thought that was so nice because not that there's anything wrong with Southern traditional food on New Year's and at the holidays, but it was cool to see where there was some overlap or where things were completely different or how somehow the pork dish that we had there was this amazing overlap where it still had those autumn fall flavors, even though it's an entirely different country.

Salina: So those are the kinds of things where just anything I can do to eat and also broaden my experience, I would definitely still want to work on the podcast.

Salina: And I think that's my ending thought is like, my idea of a sabbatical is, like, basically me having a second career.

Salina: Casey laughs at me when I say that I want to retire, he was like, you can't not work.

Salina: And that's probably very true.

Nikki: Yeah, good question.

Salina: Well, back to real life, to the.

Nikki: Thing we both want to do in our second careers be high rollers.

Nikki: Are we ready for episode 18?

Salina: High rollers.

Nikki: Suzanne So hulu says Suzanne puts her remaining few dollars at risk when she visits an Atlantic City casino in an attempt to recoup her fortune.

Nikki: IMDb says, oh, this one looks long.

Nikki: Suzanne is now living with Charlene and selling lingerie to pay off the IRS.

Nikki: Charlene tells her a story about how the founder of Federal Express kept his company afloat.

Nikki: He went to Las Vegas and won enough money by gambling to make the payroll.

Nikki: Suzanne gets the same idea.

Nikki: She drags her and Anthony to her being Charlene and Anthony to Atlantic City with her last $4,500.

Nikki: This aired on February 8, 1988.

Nikki: It was written by LBT and directed by Harry Thomason.

Nikki: What do you think about those descriptions?

Salina: I think that second one was definitely written by a user, which I'm okay with.

Salina: And let me tell you why.

Salina: Because I like the detail.

Salina: I'm not saying I'm sorry, whoever that was, I'm not saying it was well written.

Salina: I'm just saying, like, I feel like people get a nice little reminder of absolutely everything that happens.

Nikki: It felt to me like they copied the script of the episode into the description.

Nikki: If I were to describe this episode, I'm not sure the FedEx piece would have made it into my description.

Salina: No, I don't think you necessarily needed to know that, but it will help with this week's extra sugar.

Nikki: I was going to say.

Nikki: So, incidentally, that's the part I would leave out and put in an extra sugar.

Nikki: So let's do some general reactions and stray observations with the caveat that all of mine are stray.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: It happens that way for me, too.

Nikki: Do you have any general reactions?

Salina: This is what I have realized is an addendum to something I was talking about when we met in a completely different time to talk about episode 17.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: Which is this idea that more times than not, we're told about things that happen versus shown things that happen.

Salina: And so this is another instance where it's sort of taking me it's taken me two seasons to realize that that is a lot of the show, and I can't figure out whether or not that's a sitcom thing.

Salina: Is it this sitcom thing?

Salina: I don't know.

Salina: But this is like, why are all my general reactions questions?

Salina: Why, when I'm trying to get to the bottom that is there another question?

Nikki: Questions on questions?

Nikki: I have to start taking notes.

Nikki: You were just wondering.

Salina: I'm just charlene so are you talking.

Nikki: Specifically maybe about the casino scene where we see her lose all her money, but we don't see the great redemption?

Salina: I don't care as much about that.

Nikki: That's the most interesting part of the.

Salina: Episode, but I'm okay with that way that played out, and we actually got to at least go there.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: So I think the ones in the last episode were much clearer.

Nikki: So my point was going to be that that would have been an easy shift to make.

Nikki: That wouldn't have required an additional set or an additional cast of characters.

Nikki: They could have just shifted the focus a little bit.

Nikki: But if that's not what you thought, then no.

Salina: My example on this one was Anthony's experience with Consuela.

Nikki: But then you would have had to have seen Consuela.

Nikki: And you can't see her.

Salina: Right?

Salina: Although they do get around that in other sitcoms with that trope of not showing someone where maybe they're like on Big Bang Theory, you hear her off to the side.

Salina: It's Howard's.

Nikki: Mom.

Salina: You never actually get to see her.

Nikki: Right, but he gave such very specific examples of very funny things that were like physical comedy things she was doing that I don't know if you could.

Salina: Have gotten around that, and his interpretation of those things.

Salina: And I get that was really funny and all of that.

Salina: But I think the other thing is because we've sort of been watching these with chunks thanks for that word groupings collection.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: Fancy.

Salina: Anyway, so, yes, we watch these in collections.

Nikki: Even Clumps would have been better than chunks.

Salina: I don't know.

Salina: Clumps sounds like something in the back of Jackson's fur.

Nikki: Hey, now they pile up right here under his eyes.

Salina: Oh, that's better.

Salina: Behind his b***.

Nikki: That's true.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: I think it's like, maybe the compounding of it with the last episode.

Salina: And then I think now that we're sort of, like, winding down in the season, I'm like, man, we just hear about a lot.

Salina: We're told about a lot of scenarios.

Salina: We don't get to see a lot of scenarios.

Salina: We get to see it all hashed out back at Sugar Baker.

Nikki: So you know what's funny about that?

Nikki: I might have just made this comment in a previous episode that we recorded at a separate time, but, like, episode 17, maybe, because I was saying how I love how we can hear these anecdotes about characters without seeing them, that you can vividly imagine the character doing it.

Nikki: So there was Suzanne being turning Anthony into the police.

Nikki: How hilarious that is.

Nikki: I almost wonder if it's because maybe not hilarious.

Salina: The action.

Salina: Right?

Nikki: No, the whole idea, the concept.

Salina: Remember when Suzanne mangled Anthony and it.

Nikki: Was hilarious, but it's so ridiculous that it would never translate visually.

Nikki: You have to hear it would take the most amazing character, the most amazing actor, the best timing, the best camera angles to capture them.

Nikki: But I think you're latching on to something interesting because I'm taking it as it's funnier, like said, than actually seen, because it could never actually be that funny.

Salina: Could it also be Southern?

Salina: Because Southerners are good storytellers.

Salina: So it's like some of it purposeful that we're hearing it through story rather than seeing it maybe well solved.

Nikki: Well, not really.

Nikki: If you're still unhappy I don't know.

Salina: How you want to play this because I just have like a lot of questions.

Nikki: Well, why don't you start with your questions?

Nikki: Maybe they get into some of my strays.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: I like that.

Salina: While everyone else was in Atlantic City, did Julia and Mary Joe's conversation resonate with you at all?

Salina: Do you want me to remind you of what I'm talking about?

Nikki: You don't have to remind me.

Nikki: I don't think it resonated with me necessarily.

Nikki: Really?

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: So they're talking about there are two types of people in the world the parents and the children, right.

Salina: Those who make messes and those who clean them up.

Salina: They want to do something bad.

Salina: Let's go take the day, let's go fishing, let's get out of here.

Salina: There's carpets to measure and invoices to do.

Salina: No, we'll just stay here.

Salina: None of that resonated with you at all?

Nikki: Only because I don't get the sense that there are other people doing more fun things than me right now.

Salina: Do you know what I mean?

Salina: Everything sucks.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: I don't think there are a whole bunch of people skipping work to go to the brewery down the street or skipping work to play hooky and drive up to the mountains.

Nikki: I don't think people are skipping out.

Salina: To do think about before 20 in the before time?

Salina: Yeah, the before time.

Nikki: There have definitely been periods in my life where I get tired of feeling like the grown up, feeling like the most responsible person.

Salina: Okay, well I was just wondering because it resonated for me really and I have both been the parent and the child.

Salina: Of course I've been a child.

Salina: But I mean, this idea of there being two types of people I've definitely been the least responsible person in the room at points in my life.

Salina: But my early twenty s and beyond.

Salina: I've been more of like the parent or the serious one or the one that felt like some sort whether it was there or not.

Salina: The weight of needing to make the right decision.

Salina: All of this or I think of this idea of kind of like you and I like being at work and being like oh, let's go do something bad.

Salina: And we're like, no, we got to do a whole project, right?

Salina: So we'll do nothing.

Nikki: It reminds me of when I was in high school, my version of bad.

Nikki: We left school in the middle of the day one time, all the other kids were testing and we were seniors so we were I don't remember, we were in like a free class or something.

Nikki: For some reason there was no teacher there so we left and we got halfway to QT, I think it was, but we got spooked because we thought somebody was going to notice.

Nikki: So we stopped at Dunkin'Donuts halfway and got our coffee and went back to school.

Salina: Meanwhile, I was smuggling people out in.

Nikki: My trunk our entire excursion.

Nikki: In all four years of high school, the only time I left school in the middle of the day, my entire excursion was maybe 22 and a half minutes.

Nikki: Yeah, it seems sad, but I mean.

Salina: I don't who cares?

Nikki: Whatever.

Salina: Not that long ago.

Nikki: Not that long, yes, dirty, basically, but it's just that's that's just the kind of person I am.

Nikki: I think maybe I've had time to come to terms with it and I'm just less bothered by it now.

Nikki: Also, I'm just parent age now.

Nikki: I'm at the age where I need to be a parent.

Nikki: It bothered me a lot more in my twenty s.

Nikki: All right, well, that.

Salina: Was my one question.

Salina: I've got 18 more.

Nikki: Keep going.

Salina: Okay, so Julia, fishing tracks for you or weird.

Nikki: No, that was weird.

Nikki: Okay.

Nikki: That was just as weird as introducing that their grandfather owns a farm on the outskirts of town.

Nikki: Incidentally, the outskirts of Atlanta would be where we live.

Salina: Or that they're talking about the grandfather.

Salina: Like the grandfather is alive.

Salina: Yeah, I'm not saying that doesn't happen.

Salina: I'm just saying he'd be like 85 at bare minimum.

Salina: And that's if both her like everyone had a kid right at 20 and he's still kicking around and completely if his faculties plot twist, their grandfather is.

Nikki: Wilmont Oliver's best friend.

Salina: I'm so glad it's not Wilmot Oliver.

Nikki: Well, that went through my head first and that felt twisted and weird and introduced some other things about the South Southern Gothic.

Nikki: So I'm just going to say his best friend.

Salina: Okay, that's a good one.

Nikki: Yeah, that was weird.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: I could see Mary Joe fishing and.

Salina: This is not to say that like, I don't know, it just didn't track with Julia's personality to me, I don't see it.

Nikki: But isn't wrinkled, isn't that the complexity of a southern woman?

Salina: Absolutely.

Salina: And so that's where I wanted to leave some room and just see.

Salina: And I have a couple of friends who don't I mean, they're not like Julia, who's like a very specific brand of person, but they wouldn't strike you as someone who like, yeah, let's go out fishing for the weekend, but they love it and they do it fairly frequently, whereas I'm just bored.

Nikki: Yeah, that one felt of all the things they could have played hooky to do, going fishing for both of them together.

Nikki: Like I said, Mary Joe, I could see doing that, but I just don't know that a single mom is going to choose to go fishing when she has an afternoon to herself.

Salina: Right.

Salina: I got a couple more.

Salina: You sure you don't want to pop in with some of your strays?

Nikki: Well, you keep going on your questions.

Nikki: I still have them.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: I still got some nightly pie and cake festivals.

Nikki: Oh, I have that somewhere.

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: What do you have to say about that?

Salina: Well, this is a pain point Charlene mentions when describing life with her new roomy.

Salina: We don't get to see that per se, but we do get to see Suzanne and Charlene sleeping together in the same bed.

Salina: I imagine that Charlene probably has, like, a one bedroom and and I it's just so kind of funny.

Salina: So anyways, I was just I was going to ask you how that struck you.

Salina: The nightly pie and cake festivals, actually.

Nikki: It'S the only thing I mention in my things I didn't like.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: I feel like it's starting to build that narrative that Suzanne's a binge eater, that she's gaining weight.

Nikki: They mention later in that episode when they're in bed together that she's put on weight.

Nikki: I feel like maybe it's consistent with the narrative of a former beauty pageant person, this caricature of who that person is, because I think that disordered eating is not far fetched from what most of us think about when we think of a beauty pageant.

Nikki: Like a state contestant.

Salina: Correct.

Nikki: It's not necessarily true, but I'm sure we've all had that thought.

Nikki: So I think it fits into that narrative.

Nikki: But I just think given what we know now about Delta Burke's experience on the show, it starts building that narrative and it's just a little kind of.

Salina: Sad, like, you know, the turn this is taking.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: Well, like, for me, I think I'm torn because it sounds great on the face of it.

Salina: I'm like baby food.

Nikki: They threw baby food in there to me, which I think takes you from, oh, fun, let's have a girl's night eating pie to oh, wait, there's something more going on here.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Sorry.

Nikki: Did I throw you?

Salina: Well, only because that's another question I had because I wasn't it sounds like we may have taken that two different ways on the nightly pie and cake festivals.

Salina: Obviously, I agree with you that this sounds like a ramp up to laying, like some some breadcrumbs or something, which I don't like because we know it's going to take an ugly turn.

Salina: But I also just wanted to mention that we do get it's not just that that's mentioned, but also someone at the country club mentioned something about her weight gain.

Salina: No weight.

Salina: Right.

Salina: And so oh, that's something I wish I had captured in my Southern things.

Salina: Anyway, so I just think all that is like a package together is probably not good news.

Nikki: But the festival, the festival part, it's the choice of words that threw you.

Salina: And then I'm with you.

Salina: So my other thing was when you're talking about all those things, the discount caviar, baby food, frozen pies and cakes, this is the rundown that we get of Suzanne's routine along with her also talking on the phone for hours every night.

Salina: So I just don't understand how the baby food you think it was diet I think it was something high in calories.

Nikki: I think it was something weird.

Nikki: It was something OD like.

Nikki: I don't know that anybody has said baby food is the most delicious thing in the world.

Nikki: I don't quite know the intricacies of how that plays into disordered eating.

Nikki: I don't know if maybe it takes up less room in your stomach and you can eat more.

Nikki: It's like a binge eating situation.

Nikki: You want to put as much in your body as you can, and that takes up less room so you can actually enjoy some of the chewable foods and still feel that fullness.

Nikki: I don't want to get into eating disorders because I don't really know much about them other than I think they're sad and they're unfortunate.

Nikki: Sure.

Nikki: But I think there was something to be had in there about that.

Nikki: It was a very specific example.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: And I was like, is this a mistake to say something else?

Salina: Because all these other things sound like these luxurious indulgent.

Salina: Maybe not the discount part, but it just was weird, and I was very curious.

Salina: Charlene bought Suzanne Missouri lottery tickets.

Salina: Why not just Georgia Lottery?

Nikki: I have an answer for you on that.

Nikki: Oh, but it's in my things.

Nikki: I had to look up.

Nikki: I have an answer on that.

Salina: Everybody has to wait.

Nikki: The spoiler is because the Georgia lottery wasn't in place yet, because I had the exact same question.

Nikki: 1992, I think, was the year that's late.

Nikki: Zelle Miller.

Salina: So impressed.

Salina: So impressed by you.

Salina: Okay, my last question.

Salina: Did you get caught off guard by Suzanne's introductions at the roulette table or remind you Anthony is her gambling advisor?

Salina: Now, I haven't done a lot of gambling, but I thought saying that in front of the pit boss might be a little bit of a red flag.

Nikki: I think that's why the pit boss.

Salina: Was there as I saw it.

Salina: This is just my Cod counter.

Nikki: I think that's why the pit boss was there.

Nikki: I think that whole section right there with the pit bull, I think it all served to show how little she knows about gambling and how out of her element she was.

Salina: Okay, I do have thoughts about that later.

Salina: And Charlene is one of her oldest and dearest friends.

Salina: Yeah, but for female friends, maybe.

Nikki: I think that's true.

Nikki: Yeah, but she's only one she's sharing a bed with.

Salina: No, that's true.

Nikki: Her and Anthony, those are her two dearest friends.

Salina: That ain't a lie.

Salina: It did catch me off guard in the moment, though.

Nikki: Really?

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: All right, I'm out of question.

Salina: Sorry about that.

Nikki: One of my strays was I loved how they talked about Suzanne spending an hour every day doing her makeup, then going back to bed, sleeping till noon.

Nikki: It sounds like wasted energy to me, but sleep until noon doesn't sound half bad.

Salina: It sounds like a mixture of, this is my routine and I'm depressed.

Nikki: Maybe maybe Anthony gave Consuela a ride to the meat packing plant, which is continuity from the reference in the Christmas episode where they gave Susanna Pig and they say her family has a meat packing plant.

Salina: Right, which is continuity from even earlier than that because we knew they were in the exotic meats industry.

Salina: Which is why you laughed at me, because I said exotic meat.

Nikki: And then I just noticed that Suzanne seems I think I love her character so much because we bounce from there's some black people coming to dinner where she is just like I actually think she's kind of wise in her ignorance sometimes.

Nikki: I think there's some wisdom there.

Salina: Yeah, she stumbles on a point, but.

Nikki: She'S 100% random and ditzy, but I think she's really self aware.

Nikki: So she's laying in bed with Charlene and says, you hate me, don't you, Charlene?

Nikki: And she goes into some of the things about how she's, like, incompetent, and she's poor and she's this, that, and the other.

Nikki: And Charlene's like, well, you're not incompetent.

Nikki: You are all those other things.

Nikki: Selfish, incompetent, and poor, but you are those other things.

Nikki: But it reminds me of when she and Anthony were in the hotel and she shared some of those feelings with him about how other people don't treat her the way she feels like she wants to be treated and blah, blah, blah.

Nikki: And I just something, like, beautiful and tragic in that character.

Salina: So profound.

Salina: Okay, so we get two outfit reruns from Charlene in a single episode.

Salina: I just needed which one?

Salina: The purple dress she wore at some point in the episode.

Salina: She has worn both in season one on the Monet Monica episode and then again in this season's premiere.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Which is crazy.

Salina: Now we've gone three times.

Salina: And then that top pajama top she's wearing when they're in bed together.

Salina: That is from the slumber party episode.

Nikki: I only have two pairs of PJs.

Salina: Well, it's fine.

Salina: It's just funny that yeah, I thought.

Nikki: You were going to say and maybe it was the last episode there is a blue dress that she's wearing that has sort of a peplum top.

Nikki: It's like a blue suit dress has a peplum top.

Nikki: I thought I had seen that before.

Nikki: So when you said that, I was expecting that.

Salina: You know, you have eight times, probably.

Salina: The other thing I was going to say is that Suzanne wins $39,000 in today's money.

Salina: This is close to 100,000, which is the only way I'm buying what she plans to do with it.

Nikki: 100%?

Salina: Yeah, because she's going to make her first big payment to the IRS, get her home back, which is a mansion, and then she's also going to pay her country club dues and get a bunch of facials.

Nikki: 100%.

Nikki: And I actually almost mentioned that, but I wanted to be careful with any sense of classism.

Nikki: But that just didn't seem like very much money to me to do all those things.

Nikki: And actually, spoiler alert, next week we're going to talk about country clubs in extra sugar.

Nikki: And yeah, that's tough for dues.

Nikki: That's a tall order to make dues happen.

Nikki: And the IRS payment.

Salina: Yeah, I did look up some of those.

Salina: And I will just say it is hard and I can't wait for Nikki to talk about just how exorbitant those fees are.

Salina: So, yeah, I just had to mention that because I was like, that's not real life.

Salina: And I don't think that sounds classist.

Salina: I think that's just math.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: And I'm not even good at math, but I know that don't necessarily add up.

Salina: We've seen the house.

Salina: It's a big house that costs a lot of money.

Salina: So let's talk about the things we liked.

Salina: Since I couldn't shut up before, I.

Nikki: Thought the script and the delivery on this episode was spot on.

Nikki: So at the very beginning of the episode, julia says, you don't have to tell me about Suzanne.

Nikki: I'm her sister.

Nikki: I lived with her for many years, and most of them she spent in the bathroom.

Nikki: I just thought that was such a funny response to them talking about how much time she spent in the bathroom.

Nikki: The entire bit about Anthony and Consuela living together, I lean into this point because it would have not been as funny if I had seen her.

Nikki: The things he talks about, every one of his anecdotes.

Nikki: She is such a vivid, eccentric character that I cannot imagine someone could have played that character.

Salina: Couldn't live up to the he just.

Nikki: Couldn'T live to the standard it was a bad example.

Nikki: Oh, sorry.

Nikki: No, my I've latched onto it.

Salina: Yeah, it was a bad example.

Nikki: Her writing her last address is the Bowels of H*** was just so funny.

Nikki: He talks about, like, when she's watching him watch TV and she has her face pressed to the window and he says, like I mean, he goes on to say she was giving herself a permanent she had these rollers in her hair.

Nikki: Her face wasn't just pressed to the glass, it was mashed.

Nikki: Her nose was flat, her lips were spread over the window pane.

Nikki: I just don't know that anybody could have done that.

Salina: That's true.

Nikki: This is all part of the script.

Nikki: The other thing I really loved is the discussion between the ladies about the lingerie.

Nikki: The very best part.

Nikki: I almost said lingerie because I say that to be funny sometimes and I had to catch myself.

Salina: Oh, I would think you were talking about some sort of wrong form of lingered.

Nikki: There's a line in Napoleon Dynamite where they talk about get yourself a dang quesadilla.

Nikki: And one time we were in Mexico, I think it was oh, no.

Nikki: And it was with my family, and I was joking with my brother and my parents about a quesadilla and I accidentally ordered a quesadilla.

Nikki: I was mortified.

Nikki: So I have to choose my words carefully.

Nikki: But the discussion about the lingerie was so funny.

Nikki: When Julia learned about edible underwear, her delivery was hub.

Nikki: She said, what'd she say?

Nikki: What'd she say?

Salina: It was just so funny.

Nikki: That's funny.

Salina: I wasn't paying as much attention to her.

Nikki: She says, what did you call it?

Nikki: And then Suzanne repeats it.

Nikki: She turns to Charlene.

Nikki: She goes, what'd she say?

Nikki: And then Charlene follows it up with, but who would spend good money on underwear just to have a loved one eat it off?

Nikki: Not say, like, have their husband or their boyfriend loved one for some reason, that terminology was so much funnier.

Salina: Yeah, I agree.

Nikki: But I just thought all of that script writing and delivery was hilarious.

Salina: I agree.

Salina: So this is also on my likes as well.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: Did you have some other likes?

Nikki: I mean, I'd like to spend a night in a casino with those three.

Nikki: I feel like that would be absolutely.

Nikki: And then I'll say the last thing that I really liked was watching Suzanne dump her money out on the table.

Nikki: I feel like that must have been really gratifying.

Nikki: She took her bag and just dumped it and then follows up with her two lessons.

Nikki: You can get something for nothing, and gambling does pay.

Salina: I love that.

Salina: I thought it was great.

Salina: So I'll tack on to the part about lingerie.

Salina: The other part of the conversation that was funny.

Salina: I think this is Mary Joe.

Salina: She goes, I mean, who thinks this stuff up?

Salina: Can you imagine the factory where they make this, that there is actually a person out there who works as an underwear taster on an assembly line?

Salina: What would you tell your children?

Nikki: What would you tell them?

Salina: Well, I have an answer.

Nikki: Fruit roll ups.

Salina: I'm thinking, like, just telling me, work in a factory.

Nikki: Yeah, they don't care.

Salina: You don't have to bring up the yeah, they don't care.

Salina: And this is getting technical, but I don't think edible underwear customers are overly concerned with the taste.

Nikki: I have to tell you something, though, going back to what would you tell your kids?

Nikki: You think they don't care?

Nikki: Every day I ask my kids what their favorite part of their school day was.

Nikki: Tell me about something fun you did last night.

Nikki: Laying in bed.

Nikki: Landon, my four year old says, tell me what you did at work today, mommy.

Nikki: And I started tell and what I did at work.

Nikki: And he goes, no, tell me what you did at work.

Nikki: And I was like, what do you mean?

Nikki: And he goes, like, the stuff you did.

Nikki: Like, not just working on your computer.

Nikki: The stuff you did.

Nikki: And so then we had to go into the meetings I called into and what they were about.

Salina: So some kids care, and he paid.

Nikki: Attention as much as a four year old can.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: He asked informed questions.

Salina: I guess so.

Salina: Wow.

Salina: All that to say that you can still frame it if that's where you want.

Nikki: That's true.

Nikki: I do think I would care about the flavor of I'm bouncing around.

Nikki: Now you've lost me entirely.

Nikki: We've been recording a long time today.

Salina: What flavor edible underwear do you want, Nick?

Nikki: I strawberry.

Nikki: Strawberry is my favorite.

Nikki: Fruit Roll Up, and I equate it to a Fruit Roll Up.

Nikki: Yeah, probably the same thing.

Salina: Fruit Roll Ups are delicious.

Nikki: Watermelon would be good, too, which I think is the flavor.

Nikki: No, she said cotton candy.

Salina: Oh, never mind.

Salina: Watermelon about that.

Salina: But you love cotton candy, right?

Nikki: I do.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: I didn't think I was making that.

Nikki: I mean, I don't know if I would like it on underwear.

Salina: Well, you never know till you try.

Salina: So I would say Christmas is around the corner, but it's not.

Salina: It just passed.

Salina: I like that we leave Sugar Bakers, at least technically.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: Are we on the cruise ship from earlier this season?

Salina: Yes, probably.

Salina: But this time there's, like, a casino table in it.

Salina: You can tell that I also am very familiar with the lingo.

Nikki: It was A-C-R-A-P-S.

Nikki: Table charlene says craps.

Salina: Oh, yeah.

Nikki: We can't say it.

Salina: Which surprised me.

Salina: I didn't ever know that she was that precious craps, that she couldn't say craps.

Salina: And then my last, like, is Suzanne singing The Name Game because Consuela told her it's an old Haitian champ for good luck.

Nikki: Oh, my gosh.

Salina: Which is exactly what she should have told her.

Nikki: Going back again to something you said in a recent episode about their delivery and that sort of, like, sing song, melodic way they deliver the way she did The Name Game was just catala.

Nikki: It was so amazing.

Nikki: Every time I heard it, I died laughing all over again.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: Although if I had been there, I probably wouldn't have thought it was as funny.

Salina: It's crazy.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: All right.

Nikki: What about what you didn't like?

Salina: So I was alluding to this earlier.

Salina: This is like at the casino.

Salina: I'm not going to frame this like a question because I feel like I've asked you enough questions.

Nikki: Oh, no, I like the questions.

Salina: Okay, well, then all right, fine.

Salina: Did Suzanne's character feel somehow off to you at the casino?

Nikki: But I'm going to guess no.

Salina: And so for me for me, it did or she did so not like where I disliked it.

Salina: I was okay to suspend belief because I like this episode.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: But from other bits of the show, I think that we can interpret that.

Salina: Suzanne is pretty well traveled, and I think that they come from old money, so she's pretty refined.

Salina: It's not just because she's wealthy, but they have made it very clear that she's in that world and of that world, like, earlier in the season, we even go through this whole plot where she's teaching Anthony all these things that he needs to know.

Salina: I'm having a hard time believing that she'd be a fish out of water there.

Salina: And I know it's atlantic city, and I know atlantic city has some reputation about maybe being like a sleazier vegas or something.

Salina: Not to be mean to atlantic city, but what they made that casino out to be was like a nice casino, I mean, for the show's production value and people were really dressed up and like all this stuff and and I just find it hard to believe that she's never been in a casino situation.

Salina: That's something that rich people do.

Salina: They find themselves in those situations.

Salina: Like benefit nights are often like these casino nights.

Salina: This is something that I think is pretty standard.

Salina: So I find it pretty hard to believe that she just doesn't know anything to do here.

Nikki: I can see where you would feel that way.

Nikki: I'll say that my counter to it was actually I didn't see her as a fish out of water in the sense of not fitting in.

Nikki: I didn't see her as less classy than the people around her.

Nikki: I think she's more animated, and I think those people didn't really care for that at the table.

Nikki: But I've been in casinos before.

Nikki: I hate being at I'm going to call them gambling tables, too, but I've been at the tables before, and you have to be so prim and proper because the pit boss is watching people.

Nikki: I wouldn't have a problem with it because I'm typically losing, but I always feel like I don't know what the rules are.

Nikki: I feel like I'm not doing things the right way.

Nikki: So I think she's just a little more animated.

Nikki: I felt like she was appropriately dressed like you would expect.

Nikki: Her hair looked amazing.

Nikki: I feel like if you make a good point about the benefit events, I feel like she would find herself on the arm of someone who is gambling and doing the right things.

Nikki: She's never had to call things out and call the shots and being in the driver's seat.

Nikki: I do.

Nikki: I think she's just more animated, which I don't think is fish out of water.

Nikki: I think it just was fish out of water for that table.

Nikki: Maybe.

Salina: I would describe her, though, as someone who cares a lot about what people think about her.

Salina: She is animated, but I don't know that I see her being animated in a situation where she's not comfortable with everyone there.

Salina: I think she would want to put off like a certain I'm, like, ex beauty queen who's won lots of titles and I'm very fancy, and so I was just happy.

Nikki: She was compartmentalizing.

Nikki: She was there to win.

Nikki: She was in it to win it.

Nikki: She didn't care.

Salina: Yeah, but just like even her not knowing who to order drinks from, some of the introducing anthony and charlene to everyone at the table, I get the whole southern manners thing.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: But something fell off to me there.

Nikki: She'd probably been drinking she was probably on some adrenaline late at night.

Salina: They probably took a late flight.

Nikki: I do not think she gives a crap about who takes her drink order.

Nikki: I think her point was, can you tell them then, like, somebody take my drink order.

Nikki: I don't care who it is.

Salina: It's so funny.

Salina: I almost wrote in the things that I thought were going to be your.

Nikki: Counterpoints here, and we're almost everyone I.

Salina: Made well, I thought about them.

Nikki: Did you write down lay off suzanne?

Salina: I do agree that it's very possible that she would just give her drink order to anyone because she doesn't care.

Nikki: Well, they had that whole thing from julia about how selfish she is.

Nikki: She's laid across people on the airplane.

Nikki: She doesn't even intend to.

Nikki: It just happens.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: I think what I would have believed more, or maybe even what I would have liked to have seen is perhaps more of the culture of atlantic city today, where her fish out of water would be in the sense that she's in a sea of sweatpants and f**** packs whilst in cocktail attire and furs.

Nikki: I've never been to atlantic city, so I don't know what it's like.

Nikki: I've been to vegas, and I've been to some of the quote unquote nicer casinos and some of the, like, the old vegas, which I think are the less nice casinos.

Nikki: And I've seen the range in the same room, so I don't know what there's.

Salina: The high in atlantic city.

Salina: I think it's probably similar, but, like, on a smaller scale.

Salina: I've been to vegas.

Salina: I have not been to atlantic city, but its reputation precedes it, and I think a lot of it I've seen in shows.

Salina: So maybe I'm just getting the wrong stuff.

Salina: But that vibe that is played as, like, a funny thing in a lot of shows and something that people probably relate to.

Salina: So I imagine that some of the sweatpants and f**** packs, there's some truth in it, but that was it for me.

Salina: On didn't, like, are you ready to rate this sucker?

Nikki: I am.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: What you got?

Nikki: I didn't write one down.

Salina: That happens to me sometimes.

Salina: You want me to give mine while okay.

Salina: So I gave it 3.7 out of five nightly cake and pie parties with suzanne.

Nikki: With suzanne.

Nikki: I like that part.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: I want to have it with her.

Salina: I think that we could really have a good time.

Salina: I like this one.

Salina: Funny lines, funny situation.

Salina: I like that it ends happily for everyone.

Salina: It even ends happily for julia and mary joe because they do go fishing.

Salina: They're like, screw this, I'm out of here.

Salina: I love that.

Salina: So I would call this one above average and enjoyable.

Nikki: Yeah, it's definitely a four.

Nikki: I was waffling on whether I wanted to give it a higher score, because this also very similarly to episode 17, was an episode that I was excited.

Nikki: I thought it was fun to rewatch.

Nikki: A couple of times I felt like I got something new and funny.

Nikki: Every single time.

Nikki: I absolutely just every time Suzanne has a storyline, she's so funny.

Nikki: She's so funny.

Nikki: And I like the worst of her.

Nikki: In the opening, hearing all these horrible things about her, then you get the flip of the actual vulnerable her where she says she's self aware and she knows people are annoyed by her and she can't change these things about herself or she's not making the effort to, but she knows she's self aware.

Nikki: So I like that.

Nikki: Yeah, I'm just using your rating scale, too.

Salina: Oh, that'll work.

Salina: It's probably easier than you're trying to think of one on the fly, so I get it.

Nikki: Maybe.

Salina: But if you come up with a good one for the end, you let me know.

Nikki: I almost want to give it four craps.

Salina: I think that would be excellent.

Salina: I also want to turn crap into like an acronym, but that's another time combination of either 80 Southern or unknown references.

Nikki: I didn't have anything there.

Salina: I have one that I feel like is probably going to cross over one of yours.

Salina: I apologize.

Salina: This just really takes your fun away.

Salina: But it's unknown and Southern.

Salina: And it's Fred Smith.

Salina: So this is the story that Charlene mentions and it's also going to be what leads to today's extra sugar.

Salina: But Fred Smith was from Arkansas and he is the one who started Federal Express or FedEx.

Salina: And I think it's interesting that it caught both of our attentions because we didn't notice it in the first one.

Salina: Like our first watches.

Nikki: Oh, right, yeah.

Salina: And also the name Fred Smith.

Salina: Sorry, Mr.

Salina: Smith.

Salina: Sounds very made up.

Nikki: It sounds super generic.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: And I think maybe she even says Federal Express or something.

Salina: And I'm like, who?

Salina: Because I think we're just so much more used to calling it FedEx.

Nikki: FedEx.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: But he did reportedly save it from the brink of bankruptcy in its early days with Blackjack winnings in Vegas.

Salina: The only difference is he turned the company's last 5000 into 27,000, not 200 into 35,000.

Salina: I do think there's a big difference between $5,000 and $200.

Nikki: I am super curious to hear what's in extra sugar because I thought that was all going to be an extra sugar.

Nikki: So I didn't even cover it in my references.

Salina: Oh, well, perfect.

Nikki: I wanted to leave it for you.

Salina: Oh, this is sweet.

Salina: So that part is taken care of.

Salina: And then this inspired what we'll do.

Salina: Got it for sugar.

Nikki: Got it.

Salina: 80S things.

Nikki: Didn't have anything.

Salina: I had Suzanne talking on the phone for hours and hours at night.

Salina: That continued into the early 2000s, but I just figured I'd mention it.

Nikki: My grandmother used to spend hours on the phone and so if we were trying to call her or if we were at her house, it was always she was she usually didn't do it when we were there, but sometimes she could spend a real long time on the phone feeling like she was talking about nothing.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: So both of my grandmas were like that.

Salina: And one of my grandma, she told me that her and her friend would talk all day long while they did chores around the house.

Salina: They were both housewives, and they would just like to keep themselves entertained because.

Nikki: They didn't have the sweet CNTV podcast.

Salina: That's right.

Salina: It would be so different today.

Salina: They wouldn't even have a relationship.

Nikki: You wouldn't have to talk to other people if you just listen to our podcast.

Salina: What podcasts are for Southern things.

Nikki: I have something that is kind of Southern, but I had to look it up, so I put it in the next section.

Nikki: So I'll save it for there.

Salina: Oh, okay.

Salina: Mindy Joe says that take the hair off a sweater.

Salina: And I don't really know that's a Southern saying, but it sounds super Southern.

Nikki: That was one of the lines I really loved.

Nikki: Or she's like, that was chilling.

Salina: Right.

Salina: And this is talking about something creepy console does.

Salina: We get another episode of Little Rock, Arkansas.

Salina: We did a couple of episodes back, and this is, again where Charlene meets Fred Smith.

Nikki: Oh, right.

Salina: She knew him.

Nikki: She had a much it sounds like a more impressive network in Little Rock than she does in Atlanta.

Salina: Yeah, she worked in a high power attorney's office or a government office or something.

Nikki: Attorney general.

Salina: Oh, okay.

Salina: So yes.

Nikki: Yes.

Salina: Elvis.

Nikki: So he gets mentions I didn't put this in my notes, but I ended up looking up Elvis because I was like, when did he die?

Nikki: Because if the plate hadn't been washed since he died, there's so much more to that plate.

Salina: 76, 77, 77.

Nikki: Okay, so it would have been over a decade of an unwashed plate.

Salina: I don't think that was the problem.

Nikki: I wouldn't have been excited to see that.

Salina: Might be the swindling.

Salina: That's a problem.

Nikki: Sure.

Salina: But they weren't asking for money.

Salina: Yeah, just sex references.

Salina: I know you have at least one.

Nikki: I had to look up beauty treatments made from the placentas of sheep.

Nikki: This came up a couple of times.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: Charlene mentions that this is part of Suzanne's Nightly while she's on the phone, she gives herself really intense facials, including these things made from the placentas of sheep, which she knows because she accidentally ate them, which sounds disgusting.

Nikki: This is 100% still a thing and 100% real.

Nikki: I found a 2015 Hollywood Reporter article that said Harry Styles, Kim Kardashian, and Victoria Beckham line up for these more than $500 treatments.

Nikki: And there was something like the stem cells in the placenta penetrate the skin better or something.

Nikki: It was not for me.

Nikki: Sounds cruel in some way.

Nikki: I don't know.

Nikki: I had to look up when the Georgia Lottery started, and I just mentioned this a minute ago, but I'll just add the government run lottery was explicitly allowed in a 1992 constitutional amendment to article one, section two, paragraph eight of the Georgia State Constitution, approved in a referendum.

Nikki: It was like a really big deal.

Salina: Is that when Hope came along, that's how they'd have to sell it?

Nikki: Feel like Hope was a few years later, but I did not specifically look into that.

Nikki: So hope.

Nikki: The Hope Scholarship is funded by the Georgia Lottery.

Nikki: If you are of a certain generation of college students, it may have been what made it possible for you to go to college because it covered your tuition, your something, enrollment fees.

Nikki: I don't remember all the fees for college, but it covered the major fees.

Nikki: It gave you a little bit of a book stipend, but unfortunately not enough to cover all of your books.

Nikki: And then you paid for like, room and board and your food.

Salina: Very helpful.

Nikki: Honestly.

Nikki: I am so grateful to that because that's what made it possible for me to go to school, but I don't know the answer to if it came along at the same time.

Nikki: Thank you.

Salina: Hope scholarship.

Nikki: Thank you.

Salina: And all lottery ticket buyers.

Nikki: And then the last reference I had to look up was the name game, which is the consuela thing.

Nikki: So this is an American popular music song co written and performed first by Shirley Ellis.

Nikki: It's a Rhyming game and it is exactly as Suzanne does it.

Nikki: There are rules for it.

Nikki: So, like, if you there's something like they use the word billy.

Nikki: So billy.

Nikki: Billy Oli.

Nikki: Something weird about how if it starts with certain letters, you do it a certain way.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: These are the kind of things that I really know how to screw up.

Salina: I actually was very afraid that you were going to ask me to play it, so I went ahead and wrote yours down.

Nikki: I wrote yours down, but it's easier for me just to do it.

Salina: Oh, really?

Nikki: Salina, Salina, bobina banana fana Fofina mima momina.

Salina: Salina nicky, Nicky bobicky banana fana foficky phoecky.

Nikki: Nicky mike.

Nikki: Great job.

Nikki: My name feels like it has the capacity to make you say something unintentional, like a dirty word or something.

Salina: Do you want me to do that version?

Nikki: Yes, please.

Nikki: No, that's probably TNTV.

Nikki: After Dark.

Salina: Is that what you called?

Salina: Yes.

Nikki: I didn't say it right after dark.

Salina: That's why I had to look up creepier.

Salina: I had no idea what that was before.

Salina: Yeah, and it's specifically for roulette, so.

Nikki: Not the craps dealer.

Salina: So yeah.

Nikki: No.

Salina: I mean, this is just what I read, so I could have read something wrong because I was like, so why don't you all just say a dealer?

Nikki: But dealers are specifically for dealers or something different.

Salina: They are.

Salina: They're specifically for like, poker or blackjack.

Salina: But a crewpier is an employee who collects and pays bets and assists at the gaming tables.

Salina: But it's usually that they are in charge of roulette.

Nikki: Oh, so who's in charge of craps?

Salina: Charlene.

Salina: It might be craps, too.

Salina: That's why I was saying okay, I think it is.

Salina: This is like my notes from a couple of weeks ago.

Salina: Give me a break, Nikki.

Salina: Sorry.

Nikki: I'm sorry.

Nikki: I don't care.

Nikki: I don't care.

Salina: Give me a break.

Salina: God.

Nikki: I don't care.

Nikki: You're fine.

Salina: Cut lines.

Nikki: I had two that I wrote down.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: This one was at the very beginning.

Nikki: There was I think it was Julia and Mary Joe having a conversation.

Nikki: And Mary Joe says I do feel kind of sorry for her, too, though.

Nikki: Losing your life savings is pretty tough.

Nikki: Julia says having to lease out her house is the tough part.

Nikki: I think she could deal with everything if it wasn't for that.

Nikki: That you can't hide.

Nikki: Everyone knows about it.

Nikki: I can tell.

Nikki: It's just killing her pride.

Nikki: I know.

Nikki: And Phyllis stone cipher stopped by.

Nikki: That's all we needed.

Nikki: You were at the bank yesterday when she was in here just gloating over Suzanne's financial troubles.

Nikki: She was grinning so big, I thought she was going to tip over.

Nikki: I'm bringing this up because this part feels very Southern to me.

Nikki: It's been my experience that there are three things people love to hear about you.

Nikki: Number one, that you've become sick.

Nikki: Number two, divorced.

Nikki: Number three, poor or any combination thereof.

Nikki: And God forbid that you should tell them someone who has got cancer is getting well, or that someone who's bankrupt is going to recover.

Nikki: It just ruins their whole week.

Nikki: It feels Southern to me because we just love to know things about other people's lives.

Nikki: And it feels like that whole bless your heart sort of you mean it, but you don't mean it.

Salina: Yeah, I get that.

Salina: I think what stood out, I had that line written down, too, and I'll say I thought it was important because one we probably could have picked up on through some context about her leasing her house and stuff, but I don't like it.

Salina: But I think it's important that it talks about how everyone knows she's lost her money.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: Because I think that helps amp up the desperation that she's feeling, because she is someone who cares about appearances so much.

Nikki: I think she said in the last episode she had the big foreclosure sign on her front lawn.

Salina: Right.

Nikki: So, yeah, that's probably going to be killing her.

Nikki: And I wrote down this other line, and I think the only reason I can think of that I wrote it down is because it tells us how much she's going to be making.

Nikki: Somebody says, what kind of lingerie is this?

Nikki: And she says, tacky lingerie.

Nikki: Okay, it's tacky and tasteless, but I can do it three nights a week and make $500 commission.

Salina: I bet you that looks all right in $22.20.

Salina: $22, not $22.

Nikki: I got it.

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: I usually rely on you to look up those costs.

Nikki: I guess I should have given you a heads up.

Salina: I just sort of guessed that it was somewhere based on all the other ones I've looked up, that it's somewhere in the $800 range.

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: Because that last one you gave us earlier in the episode was a little more than doubled.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: So like 800,001, 200 million.

Nikki: More than 500 math, am I right?

Salina: I had that one down, too.

Salina: And I think it's important because it also tells you how she's feeling about it because she's like, it's tacky lingerie fine.

Nikki: That's what it is.

Salina: Yeah, and I think that's important.

Salina: And also, I was sitting there like, would I quit for that?

Nikki: Hold on.

Salina: Let me think about this.

Salina: How much are people willing to spend on this edible underwear?

Nikki: I'm going to be honest with you.

Nikki: I don't think there are very many in house tacky lingerie parties going on right now.

Nikki: So this just might not be the market for it.

Salina: Oh, because of COVID yes, ma'am.

Salina: Oh, gotcha, gotcha.

Salina: I mean, also, I'm not going to do that.

Nikki: There might be a market on TikTok to do something with tacky lingerie.

Nikki: I just don't know that it's selling it.

Salina: I'm not even someone who really gets embarrassed.

Salina: And I've been to one of those kinds of parties one time, and I was just about to melt into the couch.

Nikki: It's uncomfortable.

Salina: It was very uncomfortable.

Salina: Like, I can't be looking at let's call them devices, and then we're all putting our I mean, I'm not well, no, I was hold on.

Salina: I mean, just like everybody's, like, holding everything and passing it around and looking at it.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: So I was like, okay, let me flesh this comment out.

Salina: Flesh is a terrible term to use.

Salina: It is.

Salina: You don't know why.

Salina: Go look it up, people.

Salina: Anyways, it was just a lot.

Salina: I'll tell you some more offline.

Nikki: Tune into Sweet Tea and TV after Doc.

Salina: That's right.

Nikki: We do have another podcast going.

Nikki: I'm telling you.

Salina: Fill that vodka team.

Nikki: Oh, God.

Nikki: Do you have any more cutlines?

Salina: No.

Nikki: Okay, so next episode, episode 19 the Incredibly Elite bona fide blue Blood Beaumont driving Club.

Nikki: It's a mouthful.

Nikki: We'd love everyone to follow along with us and engage Instagram and Facebook at sweettv.

Nikki: Email sweettvpod@gmail.com.

Nikki: Www.sweettv.com, leave us a rating and review anywhere you listen to the podcast so we know you're listening.

Nikki: And hang tight for.

Salina: Extra sugar this week.

Salina: As I said in the episode, you and I both tracked down this Fred Smith reference.

Nikki: Oh, this Fred Smith fella.

Salina: This Mr.

Salina: Smith, he calls himself sure, Fred, but we both looked into it, and basically he's the FedEx guy.

Nikki: Not your FedEx guy.

Salina: Well, maybe, but he saves the company.

Salina: We talked about that story already, so we won't go back into that.

Salina: But I was inspired because there was this story, and then Suzanne's is a comeback story.

Salina: Like, he brought the business back from the brink.

Salina: She's working to get her belongings back today, I thought we'd take a look at three great comebacks.

Salina: One in sports.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: It feels off brand for me.

Salina: It does.

Nikki: You really had to push yourself.

Salina: Well, every time I looked up comeback, it was like sports was the very first thing that came up.

Salina: So finally I was like, Fine, we'll do a sports one.

Salina: We'll do it live.

Salina: One in Hollywood.

Salina: Sorry, Nikki.

Salina: And then one in business.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: And then to spice it up at each of these stops, I've added a trivia question for you.

Nikki: No.

Nikki: How to get my game face on.

Salina: If you get all three right, you get an undisclosed prize.

Salina: Oh, my gosh.

Salina: They're stakes, not stak.

Salina: That won't be your prize.

Nikki: S-T-A-K would be the prize.

Salina: No.

Salina: Definitely T-E-A-K.

Salina: No, it won't be steaks.

Salina: You're not getting Omaha steaks.

Salina: There we go.

Nikki: There we go.

Salina: I don't know what you're going to get as far as undisclosed.

Nikki: Maybe steaks.

Salina: No.

Salina: Sure, we'll just sign you up for a year membership.

Nikki: Perfect.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Are you ready to be inspired?

Nikki: I am.

Nikki: I need some inspiration.

Salina: Don't we all?

Salina: So, starting with sports, let's talk about the great Michael Jordan, one of the most famous people on the entire planet and considered by many to be the greatest basketball player of all time.

Salina: First, we have a Southern connection with Jordan.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: He wasn't born in the south, but he grew up in Wilmington, North Carolina.

Salina: And then he also pretty famously attended University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

Salina: Even I knew that.

Salina: It's the light blue one.

Nikki: I think they talk about that in Space Jam, which is one of the greatest movies ever made.

Salina: Oh, sure.

Salina: So it depends on who you ask, whether this is an early comeback or maybe, like, an early setback.

Salina: But Jordan was technically cut from the varsity high school team when he was a sophomore in high school.

Salina: Ultimately, he still made JV.

Salina: But isn't it weird to think about Michael Jordan ever as JV?

Nikki: Yeah, I just needed to say that weird.

Salina: Here's the actual comeback.

Salina: For our purposes, we're going to be talking about him coming out of retirement from the NBA.

Salina: This is in 95.

Salina: He retires for just 17 months.

Salina: I think many people know that he goes on to play minor league ball for a while.

Nikki: If you haven't seen Space Jam, they also cover this as a plot point.

Salina: Because it's also history.

Salina: But I think it's always interesting to me when you see people play like a sports person, a sportster, a pro sports player, do, like, multiple sports.

Salina: Professionally, I always find that very intriguing.

Nikki: That's just how they show us how much more superhuman than the rest of us they are.

Salina: Oh, that's right.

Salina: I need to feel about pooh, correct?

Nikki: Absolutely.

Nikki: It's all about making you feel like crap.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: But he comes back, he comes out of retirement, and he comes.

Salina: Back and plays for the Chicago Bulls again.

Salina: And he goes on to win three NBA championships with them.

Salina: This is his second three Pete, for those of you not in the know.

Salina: A three, Pete?

Nikki: Salina, googled it.

Salina: No, I already knew because I watched the last Dance last year.

Salina: Okay, so this is three championships in a row.

Salina: And so he did that twice.

Salina: He's the only person to ever do that.

Salina: And so that's the comeback.

Nikki: Okay, that's a good one.

Salina: Not bad.

Salina: Not bad.

Salina: Here's your trivia question.

Nikki: Space Jam.

Salina: Not space jam.

Nikki: Dog.

Nikki: On it.

Salina: What is Jordan's estimated net worth?

Nikki: Do I get to do a range or something?

Nikki: Do I get some options?

Nikki: Yeah, okay.

Salina: Yeah, just pull that out in the yellow, will you?

Salina: A, 900 million, b, 1.3 billion, c, 1.7 billion, or D, 2.1 billion.

Nikki: 1.3.

Salina: That's incorrect.

Nikki: 1.7.

Salina: That's also incorrect.

Nikki: 2.3.

Salina: It's 2.1.

Nikki: That's the one I said.

Nikki: I was torn cog on it.

Nikki: I knew it was a red herring that those two in the middle were so close together and I should have just gone with the highest one, air Jordans.

Nikki: Gosh darn it, Nikki, you stupid, stupid all right, Nikki.

Nikki: 2 billion.

Salina: I'm not going to do any more trivia.

Nikki: Okay?

Salina: But an interesting side fact is that Forbes says only you guys, Nikki is going to be beating herself up about this for days and days.

Salina: I'm just kidding.

Salina: So you'll forget by the time we.

Nikki: Walk out sweaty, I got the answer wrong.

Salina: Oh, no.

Salina: Do we need to drop the trivia portion?

Nikki: Fine, go on.

Salina: So Forbes says only 90 million of that fortune came from his salary during his playing days, which is interesting because that definitely plays into what you were just saying, which is those big time endorsements.

Salina: And it wasn't the Haynes.

Nikki: He's done some massive endorsements.

Nikki: He really has.

Nikki: And there was a time like in the late 90s, early 2000s, when if you ever went into a sporting goods store in a random stuff, I feel like too, like maybe tennis rackets or something, and you're like, what?

Nikki: And then space jam.

Salina: Yeah, and then space jam.

Nikki: I really feel like you could have asked me a question about Space Jam.

Nikki: I've seen both of them.

Salina: I'm so sorry.

Salina: I did not think about Space jam.

Nikki: What?

Nikki: I did not think about Space jam.

Salina: I don't know.

Salina: I'm sorry.

Nikki: I spend a ridiculous amount of time thinking about that movie 30 years later.

Salina: Well, Nikki, let me tell you this.

Salina: I believe you can fly.

Salina: I can't.

Salina: All right, so the second one we're going to go into.

Salina: We're going to talk.

Salina: I feel like I called this two different things.

Salina: I think I said business above, maybe.

Salina: Anyways, we're talking about career comebacks.

Nikki: Oh, I was prepared for Hollywood here.

Salina: That's it.

Nikki: Thank you.

Salina: I'm like, what was this category?

Nikki: Hollywood.

Salina: What's your dream?

Salina: So steven Spielberg.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: Rejected from UCLA and then also USC's.

Salina: Film schools.

Salina: He goes on to be what?

Nikki: A hunk of garbage that man is.

Salina: Hunk of garbage.

Salina: So he goes on to be Steven Spielberg.

Nikki: Sure.

Salina: Arguably one of the greatest film directors of all time.

Salina: Let me just drop a couple of credits on you.

Salina: That sounds terrible.

Nikki: You can keep your credits.

Salina: Don't drop anything on me.

Salina: Et.

Salina: Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List, indiana Jones, the Color Purple, jurassic park, and we cannot forget Jaws, the very first movie to earn 100 million at the box office.

Salina: Literally the very first blockbuster.

Salina: So anyways, he didn't make it into film school.

Salina: He got rejected.

Nikki: Garbage.

Salina: And yet he still went on to be the best director, arguably, of all time.

Nikki: True talent can't be contained.

Salina: That's right.

Salina: Are you ready for your trivia questions?

Nikki: Ready as I'll ever be.

Nikki: Okay, the stakes feel lower now that I know I don't have a perfect score.

Salina: Well, that might be good, though, right?

Salina: It is.

Salina: Okay, why was he rejected by UCLA and USC film schools?

Salina: A, they didn't like the required short film he entered, b, he had been expelled from high school, c, he had bad grades, or D, he had a bad Sat score.

Nikki: It's going to be something stupid like his high school grades.

Nikki: Good job.

Nikki: Thank you.

Nikki: It wasn't going to be the short film.

Nikki: He's a genius.

Salina: They would have seen that now.

Salina: Nikki didn't have to leave a beat herself.

Nikki: I'm still going to, because who likes the second best winner?

Salina: Oh, God, no.

Salina: First loser.

Salina: Okay, well, we're getting some insights on how Nikki feels about me on all the games I'll lose.

Nikki: I don't think about you.

Nikki: I'm only focused on myself and let.

Salina: That sink in, ladies and gentlemen and everyone else.

Salina: Okay, so our very last category is business.

Salina: I did write this one down.

Nikki: Okay?

Salina: So before I talk about the business comeback, I do have a question for you.

Salina: Is there any one business that might come to mind for you that you think I might cover when talking about mega businesses that made a mega comeback?

Nikki: I'm going to guess it's either Microsoft or Apple.

Salina: Apple.

Salina: I mean, it was just I looked at list after list after list and it's absolutely impossible to have this conversation and not talk about them.

Nikki: It's funny you say this, because I saw an Apple commercial, an iPhone commercial the other day and it got in my head thinking about how we used to have ipods and I remember my very first ipod and feeling all the things I felt about it, and it's just mind blowing to me.

Nikki: So that would have been like 2005, 2006 mind blowing to me how now, how changed the world is and how so many people have iPhones just in their back pockets and it's just a critic.

Nikki: It's changed the way we live.

Salina: It absolutely has.

Salina: So in 2021, I saw a couple of different things.

Salina: So I'll share both I'm sure one of them is right.

Salina: Exactly.

Salina: Anyways, Apple was most excuse me, it was considered the most valuable brand in the world with an estimated value of 263,000,000,000.

Salina: But I also saw something else that said maybe like in the last couple of years, it was the first brand to cross the trillion mark.

Salina: I'm like, come on, guys, which one is it?

Salina: Either way, I think they're making some pretty good money.

Nikki: Yeah, sounds like a lot.

Salina: Millions, trillions, to your point that you just made with endlessly popular items like Macs, iPads, iPhones, AirPods, Apple watches, several of which are either in this room between the two of us, or somewhere around your house or my house.

Salina: I mean, it's hard to remember a time when Apple did not reign supreme.

Salina: That said, when you look in the history of the company, they had like an initially meteoric rise in the late seventy s and eighty s when they were just a computer company.

Salina: But then there was like, struggles, and they even cut loose, famously, Steve Jobs, who co founded it, and then the next decade or so was marked by ups and downs and then general flailing and then eventually failing of Apple, but they wind up bringing Steve Jobs back on, and the rest is stuff of business legend.

Salina: He forges an alliance with Microsoft.

Salina: I think Bill Gates is even quoted as saying, like, the worst thing I ever did was inject money into them because they wound up becoming this behemoth.

Salina: He does okay, too.

Nikki: He does just fine.

Salina: He'd be all right.

Salina: Then Steve Jobs also goes on to broaden the portfolio from just being computers to all of these other things that we know so well today.

Salina: And then he opens Apple stores.

Salina: This is at a time when they're like, this is not a direct to consumer time.

Salina: But he thought that was the way to go, putting products directly in front of consumers.

Salina: And I think we could say he was probably right.

Salina: This is really a twofer, honestly, because it's Apple's comeback, but it was also Steve Jobs comeback.

Salina: And you know, we all love a bogo.

Salina: Are you ready?

Nikki: So you get a bogo iPhone.

Salina: That would be lovely.

Nikki: Buy your house an iPhone, right?

Salina: The cost is just really something.

Nikki: I'm ready.

Salina: Your final trivia question.

Salina: Which of these are not true of Steve Jobs?

Salina: Not true.

Salina: A he hated the idea of Apple's genius bar.

Salina: B he was adopted and didn't meet his biological sister until they were in their twenty s.

Salina: C he not only helped film Pixar, which was eventually acquired by Disney, he was an early supporter of a little project that eventually becomes Frozen, or D, he was on Fortune's list of America's toughest bosses.

Salina: I'm going to go with D.

Salina: That's incorrect.

Nikki: Hey, I didn't finish.

Salina: I was going to go with D.

Nikki: And then changed my oh, sorry.

Nikki: I want to go with the adopted one.

Salina: Okay, the adopted one is not true.

Nikki: I know.

Nikki: Give me a second while yeah, it's not true.

Nikki: Right?

Salina: Okay.

Salina: But it is true.

Nikki: Wait, so wait, is that the end?

Nikki: Hold on.

Salina: You want to do this one?

Nikki: I'm confused.

Nikki: That's not the answer I want to give.

Nikki: I want to give the first one.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: That he hated the idea of apple's Genius Bar.

Salina: Yeah, that's what's not true.

Nikki: No, c.

Salina: Am I the context clue now?

Salina: That is absolutely correct, Nikki.

Salina: C.

Salina: Now the first parts are true.

Nikki: So I got confused because I think I remember he hated the genius bar.

Salina: That's true.

Nikki: I think I remember that he was adopted.

Salina: Yes, true.

Nikki: I thought the wrinkle might be the sister thing and then Hardest Bosses seemed vague to me.

Nikki: So it's frozen.

Nikki: That is not true.

Salina: That's right.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: Sorry, guys.

Salina: What are you sorry for?

Nikki: I don't know, but I go ahead.

Salina: It was a hard question.

Nikki: Well, you threw a curveball in there asking me at the beginning.

Nikki: No, not as a true trivia question.

Nikki: You asked me which company might you be talking about?

Nikki: And I got the answer.

Nikki: Right.

Nikki: So I feel like when that wasn't originally included in the original list of questions, given that I just got that question right, technically I got three questions and you intended for three trivia questions.

Nikki: So I feel like I won I.

Salina: Think I'm going to enjoy listening back to this.

Salina: That's what I think.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Is there anything that else that you would like to add or does that got you about square?

Nikki: So he did not invest in Frozen?

Salina: Basically, no.

Salina: Did you just not completely totally made up.

Salina: Oh, okay.

Salina: Yeah, totally made up.

Nikki: I read Steve Jobs's biography.

Nikki: Oh, did you?

Nikki: Several years ago.

Nikki: So him being a difficult boss, I could believe.

Nikki: I think that's where I knew the Genius bar thing from and maybe the adopted thing that he hated the genius bar.

Salina: He was like, nobody wants to go in and talk to a bunch of dorks, right?

Salina: I was like, wow.

Nikki: Right?

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: I think that that's what's so fascinating to me.

Nikki: And I love to read biographies and autobiographies of people like that.

Nikki: Just like mammoth people in the business industry because they have really, really good instincts and sometimes they just make bad calls, sometimes they just say the wrong pick the wrong horse.

Salina: I was listening to something recently that said instead of reading help books, we should be reading biographies 100% because that is really the nuts and bolts of overcoming something or like a great comeback.

Nikki: It's also personal and it's like failures.

Salina: And successes and that's like a lot of what this is is talking about the fact that we all have the ability to be great and we all have the ability to not be great.

Nikki: As I know all too well by today's quiz.

Salina: Okay, well, on that note, everybody loves a good comeback, myself included.

Salina: And of course we do, because it reminds us that even giants have stumbling blocks.

Salina: Even the best have to hit the pause button or start over.

Salina: It's human.

Salina: It's real.

Salina: And it gives us that fuel we all need.

Salina: That little nugget of hope.

Salina: Yeah, I could be a Jordan, a Spielberg, a jobs.

Salina: And you know what?

Salina: Yes, you can.

Salina: That's this week's edition of Extra Sugar.


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