Designing Women S4 E5 - Legs Okay. Hair’s Alright. I Give Her a 6.8.

Changes are afoot for our dearest Anthony. He has a new girlfriend named Lita. He’s also now a licensed contractor with his first gig, but his clients are being a little unreasonable if you ask us. We’ll talk about it.

We’ll also “Salina’s Sidebar” about some legendary Atlanta references. (Who still has their Rich’s teddy bear?!) Don’t forget to come back on Thursday for an Anthony-inspired “Extra Sugar” where Nikki breaks down some crazy marketing gimmicks.

Reads:

• What Life is Really Like In Prison for White Collar Criminals

• Coretta Scott King | National Women's History Museum

• Ted Turner - Atlanta Magazine

• Rich’s Department Store – the histories of our streets

Come on, let’s get into it!

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Transcript

Hey Nikki.

Hey Salina, how are you?

I'm good.

Long time.

No talk.

It's been moments.

Um And it was like a whole lunch break.

We sure did and welcome everyone to sweet tea and TV.

I don't think I welcomed anyone on the last episode.

I think it makes them feel more like part of our circle.

If we just assume they're here, you're always with us.

It's probably, it's probably true on Sublevel.

I think we're probably always thinking about the all of this.

I think that's right.

All of this.

All of you just, just a love fest.

I know it feels like there should be a song to that.

Oh Love Me loves All Love you.

So not an original song.

Didn't know.

I thought there was a song about this.

Why reinvent the Wheel, you know, repurpose, repurpose copyright violate.

Move on, reduce reuse, recycle.

Oh That's nice.

And I sang less than 10 seconds.

It's a magic number.

Um So I, you know, before we get started talking about this show, I wanted to um share some things that I'm binging lately.

One because there's actually all three of these shows have had Southern things that have made me very interesting.

Yeah.

Think about some, like, um, either maybe things we could talk about in the future or just we talk about it right now.

I guess it depends how much there is to mine here.

Uh, but the first thing, like, I've watched some really serious things and, you know, how sometimes you just need like a pallet cleanser.

So, what I call my entire TV, experience with pallet cleanser, I think that's probably right.

That's good though.

That's good.

I mean, because it is like a time to, but, you know, I mean, I got to bring it down sometimes.

Um, but I've been watching Bling Empire.

Oh, you know what, I have seen an episode of this, it showed up on Netflix, right.

Yep.

It showed up on my, like, recommended for you and I was like, fine.

Yeah, it's, it's like the Kardashians for me.

It becomes a slippery slope.

So I've never watched a full episode of the Kardashians.

It's uh, like, probably because I know deep down I can really get sucked into almost anything.

Um, but I couldn't help myself.

I actually, there's so there's three seasons of the initial show and they all take place in L A and then the one that just dropped this last week was in New York.

And so I started with the New York one.

I don't know, it just caught my attention and, um, I, I zipped right.

Through it.

I loved it.

I think.

I look, it is a fun casual watch.

I mean, there's some serious moments.

I mean, these are people's probably lives.

Um, I mean, you never really know, like life Adjacent probably.

Yeah, you never really know.

But for those who haven't seen it or haven't, it hasn't come up on their, um, kicking my mic over here.

I'm sorry.

That's ok.

Take away, that's what you just saw happen.

It's like, oh, it's falling, right guys, that's no problem.

Just get comfortable.

Um But for those of you who don't know what Bling Empire is and you're like, what are you talking about?

Uh This is like from Netflix.

It's about insanely wealthy Asian and Asian American fun seekers who go all out with parties, glamour and drama in Los Angeles.

And like I said, there's also the one in New York.

But I don't know, I think the these, uh cast, uh both casts are full of people mainly who are so rich that it is just mind boggling.

And I do actually think that they pulled this together based on the success of Crazy Rich Asians.

And um I just like, I, I can't help but be intrigued a little bit by the, um whether it's the fashion piece or uh the extravagant things that they're buying or like the way that they, they had a party for a baby who turned 100 days old.

That was definitely like way nicer than my wedding.

Definitely, like, most assuredly.

But, and then so anyways, it's just like, it's getting a snapshot into someone's world like that.

Um, I think is something, uh, I don't want to say magical but like, it's just something so nice that we have today.

We would have never had like, insight into like that echelon of wealth lives.

Not really, maybe like gossip columns or something like back in the 19th century or whatever.

But I think it's, I always am surprised at people's surprise that people love shows like the Kardashians or like The Real Housewives.

I'm always surprised by that because I think it taps into so many things.

One, you know what you just mentioned like TV is an escape.

So it taps into that for people where they're like, yeah, this is just like, it's, it's almost fictional in a sense because you cannot imagine that life.

So it's almost like these people aren't real, but somehow that tinge of realness is also intriguing to you.

And so you sit there at least I do for like however long I'm watching the show thinking like, oh, you know, if that were me, I'd be brushing my teeth with my toothbrush I bought at Kroger, but they got it from some Fancy Hollywood.

That's a terrible example.

Or like, I would be driving my Nissan S U V and they're driving, you know, the most exclusive Bentley there ever was or like Casey came in and he was like, is that baby wearing a coach onesie?

Yeah, like that kind of thing.

And you know, that segment that I did recently on most expensive toys and one of the most expensive toys was rumored to have been bought by Beyonce and Jay Z for Blue Ivy.

And that, to me is like a level of, I can think of toys I played with as a kid and they weren't like that.

So, to me having that almost voyeurism or voyeuristic sort of perspective on a very, very wealthy person's life, crosses fiction and nonfiction and it will drag you into the Kardashians.

I'm not kidding.

I have not watched an episode, um, in a really long time when they released their new series on Hulu or wherever it is.

I did watch that first episode and it just felt a lot more highly produced than previous episodes had.

So it felt more fictional to me than it ever had.

And that's way less interesting.

I have a lot less interest in watching something that's all made up.

I really want to see their lives.

Like, I really want this to be real.

Um, then the old version felt more like that.

I'm not kidding.

You before we had kids, I would turn it on.

Like, uh, I used to do like weekend marathons or whatever.

I turn it on and the next thing I come to it's like Sunday evening, the weekend is over.

I've watched like four seasons of this show.

It's that like, enthralling.

So, I'm not surprised at all that it's intriguing, similar to that.

Um, what above, below board?

Below deck, below deck.

Yeah, same thing.

Yeah.

Well, and that's why I thought Casey would like it.

He was the one that got me onto below deck and I was like, I think you would like this show.

Like you're gonna like this extravagance, you're gonna like it.

Um So I, so I to say if you decide to watch more than an episode, you should because it's good, but there's an episode in, I think it's season two and two of the guys go to Charleston and, and they've never been to the South before.

Were they in a different version of Charleston than we get when we go?

No, same, same.

I mean, so it's interesting because I think they were trying to keep it low key.

I don't want to give away any details about that episode, you know, spoiler alerts but like or spoiler free.

Um But uh it, it was just like them driving by some of the most iconic like Rainbow Road kind of things.

Um And reacting to those and they actually only stayed in like an air B NBI think it was a really nice Air B N B but it's not, you know, to your point they weren't somewhere with a Prada toothbrush and whatever.

So uh but just seeing them kind of interact with the southern place when, because west coast mentality and southern mentality, they are very different.

Uh, so they're, it's kind of nice to see that juxtaposition.

So you should check it out a little bit more than one episode.

And then I was gonna say that Ginny and Georgia.

Have you watched this?

I watched like half of the first season.

Oh, and then you, you were out, I wouldn't say out.

It just is one of those things more, more to do.

So, like, it was, it was fine.

It was fine.

People really love it.

I, I think it's really good.

I mean, I think I was more into the first season but it could just be that it's like that time of year and I think it's hard to get into almost anything unless it really is as light of a watch as, you know, um, that other show on Netflix.

Um, Firefly Lane.

Do you know the one I'm talking about?

I've watched it.

So I watched the first season season and just, like, binged it, like, watched back to back to back could not stop watching it.

Um, and they released a second season.

I watched like two episodes and I was like, so this is what's hard, I think about the new setup with TV is like, we wait, we see 10 episodes and then we wait an entire year.

You wait so long and you sort of fall out of love slash forget.

Yeah.

And designing women era.

You're seeing it for like a third of the year.

You know.

And so, um, I mean, almost half of the year and I think, uh, when that's the case, you have longer for forgiveness, I think it's harder to forgive that sophomore slump that most shows go through when you've waited so long and then you wound up building it up in your head.

And if they leave me on a cliffhanger because I am unlikely to go back and watch, I should.

Exactly.

I should go back and watch the last episode in preparation for the new season.

But that's just a level of like, preparation and like, um, coordination.

I just can't do right now.

So, if they've left me on a cliffhanger half the time I've forgotten the cliffhanger.

And so they start the new season.

I'm like, wait, what are we, what has happened where, who are these people?

And it just becomes like a, that's going to be an assignment.

And I really just King of Queens sounds good right about now.

I mean, me too.

Mines the office but I, I get it.

I've been watching the office too.

It's King of Queens.

The office.

I started the middle again recently because that show just gets me every time I just need a show I can just put on and it does not matter where I fall into it, it's fine.

Yeah.

I think we all need that.

Right.

There's also a show on Netflix and I know this is your list of shows you've been watching.

There's a show on Netflix.

I'd love for you to participate.

Uh, it's a Hallmark show.

The Good Witch.

Oh, uh-huh.

So ridiculous.

But also wonderful, ridiculous in the sense of like, there's just, every episode is self contained for the most part.

There is no big, huge drama in it.

Um You kind of predictable in a way, but it is so mellow and like an easy watch.

I also can turn that one on sometimes and just watch an episode and be happy.

Yeah, I was wondering so I started to rewatch Desperate Housewives, I think because we talked about it and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go take a look, see at that again.

And like, I didn't get very far, the attention keeps getting pulled in 55 different directions.

But, um, the guy who was on the Good Witch was on Desperate Housewives, he's with Terry Hatcher's character and the woman who plays on the good witch looks a lot like her.

And I was wondering if they were trying to like recapture some of that magic but like in a different way.

Um, because I think that was one of the better known, like couples from the show when that show was like, I mean, that show definitely had a moment back in the early oughts.

It was a big deal.

So, he's very handsome.

Yeah, he is a, uh, not hard on the eyes kind of guy.

The girl that plays the, not Terry Hatcher actor.

Um, her daughter Bailey Madison, she was a child actor who was in and I would have to look it up.

I can't remember off the top of my head.

But I think she's just the most adorable little thing.

And when I saw she was in this show as a teenager.

Like, she's a lot more grown up now, but she's still so adorable and like wholesome and just seems like a nice person.

That's part of the draw for me.

She seems really lovely.

What was she in?

I just told you, I'd have to look it up, you have to look it up.

Ok.

Well, well, you're always Googling while I'm talking.

Come on, darn it.

Hold on.

Uh, so, ok, so the reason I brought up Ginny and Georgia though is because, well, they're both supposed to be from the south, but the daughter doesn't really have an accent, which I find interesting.

Um, but I, you know, at some point that's something that we could cover and look at more closely if you haven't watched it, Nikki.

You have.

So, um, but it's kind of like a, I would call it a darker Gilmore Girls because like the content, the story content is a little bit more.

Well, first of all, it a little bit more realistic but then it's almost like, like, really realistic.

Yeah.

Um, so, uh, that might be something for us to explore in the future and then the staircase.

Do you know what this is?

They've done both a, a dock and that's on Netflix?

And then there's also a mini series that's on HBO with, to Colin Firth and I always get Colin Firth and Colin Farrell mixed up just because the Colin part of and the, that's a very good point.

Um, so, but it's got, uh, it's got him in it and then the woman who was in the, um, this is good listening.

I will tell you, Tony Collette.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Ok.

She plays the wife.

It's based on a true story and it's, it follows the Colin Firth is Michael Peterson.

This is a real man who was convicted of murdering his wife Kathleen in 2001 after she was found dead at the bottom of the staircase in their home in Durham, North Carolina.

I'm just saying it's a loose Southern connection but it's there.

So that might be something to dig into as well.

I mean, this movie came, I mean, the show came out sometime in maybe May last year.

I just got around to it.

I was like thinking it was going to be a heavy watch and it is, but it is very interesting.

Do you remember this case at all?

I was just curious.

I thought I did and then I think I was confusing it for something else.

Is it Lay and Scott Peterson.

Yes.

You said Peterson?

And that's where my head went.

And then I thought, no, that guy's name is Scott.

And then you said Staircase.

And I was like, that's not the same either.

Yeah, I, so it's so weird because their names are so similar.

But that case, that was just so dominating of the news, like I want to say towards the end of high school.

Um I mean, every day it was in the news and this guy, he was convicted of killing his wife while eight months pregnant.

Like what was happening in those couple of years?

Like what?

Like that's just terrible.

Um Also it could just be us being obsessive about things in the news and follow 20 four hours.

So it was pre um economy drop and it was post millennium.

Those were my two theories when you kind of mentioned the time frame.

I was like the craziness around the millennium or possibly economic issues.

But I don't know, it's just weird that both of those popped up within a few years of each other.

Ok.

But speaking of love stories, did you want to get into this week's episode of excellent transition?

Thank you.

Love stories but no murders.

Uh This week's episode is designing women's season four, episode five, the girlfriend uh who?

Nope, this week is I MD BS description, Anthony becomes a contractor and to impress his yuppie girlfriend.

He is eager to finish a job on which the ladies have had to deal with unscrupulous contractors who cut corners.

Air date, October 23rd, 1989.

We're calling this One Legs.

Ok.

Here's all right.

I give her a 6.8 written by Pamela Norris.

Um So this is another instance where I M DB puts her as sharing writing credit with L BT.

But actually, um the credits just say she's Pam Norris uh directed by David Trainer.

So top three general reactions and stray observations.

So I don't really feel like they gave Lita that's his girlfriend's name.

I don't feel like they gave her a fair shake.

So the way I see it, we all, we knew Suzanne was going to be jealous because she's losing the person who does her errands.

I was gonna say her best well, but also the person who like behind closed doors, they're best friends, you know.

Uh So I don't think that is a shocking revelation.

OK.

Charlie and Mary Joe, stay pretty tight lipped, which is their way, but they clearly don't like her.

And then I it was really Julia, I thought that was the most upsetting.

I mean, that's probably like a little bit of a like overly aggressive term, but uh I thought she was just kind of haughty and cold, like immediately and really lacking self-awareness again.

When she calls Lita strong willed, opinionated, overly critical and pushy, which Charlene calls out right there in the episode.

I mean, it's a joke but, like, also, like Julia, come on all of those things.

Um, it's just a different package for Julia.

Right.

That's right.

Young.

It's upper middle class.

It's a different skin color.

Like, I think there was a lot of uncertainty for Julia, like she talks about the yuppie thing a lot, which I feel like is something that is a cultural moment of the late 80s, early 90s that's probably lost.

Now, I'm not sure that most people would really understand what that means.

It's like you're defining the references that I have.

What I wanted to talk about though.

This yuppie thing triggered something in Julia.

It triggered something in her.

Maybe it's the way that um people like people, our parents ages now are triggered by hipsters.

I think that's rails.

And Gz Julia immediately says her beef with lita being a yuppie is that she uses the word impact as a verb that struck you too.

What does that mean too?

I was like all the time.

I, I I don't, so I looked it up because I was like, this is something, this is something I couldn't find anything like in the realm of yuppie.

But what I did find is that it actually is kind of hotly contested in language.

Um So sparing you from the like all the specifics of it.

I'm going to share uh that uh it is something that possibly could have been in like this um interaction between old school and new school coming together.

That actually might have been a language example that was really challenging for like Julia to understand because the word impact doesn't historically get used as a verb.

Um Technically, it can be a verb though, but it came about like in the late 80s that people started using it that way.

So it makes sense.

It's just such a weird obscure thing for her to be so upset by in the world of yuppie.

Hold on.

I think I have a current day example.

OK, like how cursive is going away?

Oh, you know what I'm saying?

I'm just saying like that doesn't even and I, hey, I love my signature.

Like I love the fact that it's a cursive signature beyond that.

I don't use cursive.

I don't have a dog in that fight.

Nor do I want to go down that road.

All I'm saying is there are people who get very offended over a cursive going away and maybe there's some sort of parallel there.

I just wish Pamela Norris would explain to us what she meant by that.

Like again, I looked into it, it does seem like in language circles, it's a big deal.

But like for everyday people to be offended by a yuppie, that's not the thing that would bother them it's more the fact that she calls a BMW a beamer.

It's more the fact that she talks about money so openly.

There were a lot of other things that I felt like that's the thing you're bothered by.

I don't know, I don't really enjoy an editorial comma.

Hm.

Well, but I don't associate it with any, like, large group of people.

Good.

So I think the only other thing I'll say there is, like, I just felt like in this episode, I didn't think our gals came off looking their best.

Um I found it actually quite disappointing, especially like that.

Um With Anthony, it just tore him up and I hated to see him so torn up, like kind of pulled and pushed between the women he works with who had become his friends and his girlfriend.

I didn't like it.

Um And no real on the nose reason for why they didn't like lita.

I think that's a great thing that I would like to talk about is like what your thoughts were on her.

I thought that surely there was a dropped line somewhere about the lady's frustration that she was steamrolling Anthony into doing everything for her.

I thought that was their beef with it.

You remember like she called and left those messages like this, this, this, this, this so I thought for sure they'd be like, man, this girl is using you so hard, but then she shows up at the um the work site and she's just trying to make sure he gets his fair do, rolling up her sleeves and ready to go.

She was like, let's do this.

I'm going to advocate on your behalf and I'm going to help you be the very best version of yourself that you can be.

And so I understand how that might have come up.

I, I would not enjoy lita personally in a personal capacity.

I would not want to go have dinner with her.

Probably, probably just wouldn't, she's a little aggressive to me.

And if everything is that aggressive all the time, it's overwhelming to me, which I think may have been what they really wanted to play out of the yuppie part.

Yeah, probably because I do think maybe there's some generalization coming in here.

Right.

I mean, I think, I, I don't know this for sure.

And this is just me off the cuff right now.

But I think, um, women were and we talk about that in the course of the show a lot.

And I'm talking about in the show designing women that our main characters do like that.

They were taught to be demure and put their opinions on hold.

Like that might be how they were raised, I think was we're getting into later generations that's changing.

And so when you take someone's someone Julia's age and when you take someone Lita's age and you put them next to each other, I think there's, um, a clash of understandings.

Yes, that seems fair to me because I think it would have been very unusual a long time ago for a woman to call a man and give her her list of things that she expected him to do.

Um, so perhaps that's in the sauce.

My thought on Lita was, um, she's absolutely like a, a Julia type.

Right.

It kind of makes you wonder.

I'm like, does Anthony have some sort of level of attraction for Julia?

Um, she's maybe a little colder.

Um, at least that, like, because I think we just spent a lot more time with Julia.

So we know there's like a, a little bit of a warmer side but she is poised.

She is elegant, smart, matter of fact, and a go getter and then these are all things that and qualities that Julia has.

Um, I also think that she's right on some things.

Um, they, he has been held in that current position despite everything that he's done and proven in the last three years.

I mean, there could have been some movement there.

I mean, there doesn't have to be, you can't just get a job and that's the job that you keep.

But the point still isn't lost.

And the one thing I didn't agree with was her inserting herself into his work conversation when they were all there, like on that didn't make any sense necessarily.

But the timeline for the kitchen was absolutely crazy.

And someone with recent experience, literally, they gave him a weekend.

He is one human being.

I mean, he did have some people come in there and there's a whole, you know, part of the plot line is around that them being in there and cutting corners as well.

Um But that is a crazy job to do an entire kitchen in one weekend.

Um Not that Julia did not tell him that when he got involved.

And then the last thing I'll say about Lita is I do think that she is teaching him to stand up for himself and or at least she is telling him he should be more.

I think she's putting that thought into his head and I'm not sure that he's always felt very comfortable asserting himself around these women.

I think that's right.

I think it goes back to how she was trying to help him be the best version of himself that he could be and building him up to believe that he deserved that.

Um I was gonna say 11 thing I loved about was the quote she had when he was like worried about the quality of the kitchen and she's like, what do you care?

We, we could all be dead in a few years.

I just feel like that's a really important piece of context to maybe bounce around in your head before you get super worked up over things.

Um And I'm saying that like partly tongue in cheek but also like, yeah, I don't know, seriously.

Like, how important is it really?

Uh, I do not want my contractor asking himself that question.

I really do want high quality stuff, but it actually led me to my first general reaction, which was a question for you, Salina, which is with your recent home experience, did any of Mary Jo's plot line of dealing with those contractors resonate with you?

She's blinking very slowly.

So that was real, that felt real to you.

I, so I don't have to.

Luckily I'm not, I I can see how it's much more stressful in her position, right?

Because she's on behalf of a client.

And so that's a whole another layer.

And then it's like, essentially, I think in this part of their field, they are middle persons, you know, they're not doing the work, they're not putting throw pillows on anything.

They're just sort of waiting for all of these things to happen.

But I think it's fair to say that timelines are challenging in this world.

And I also think that it's fair to say that no one ever does not have a reason readily available for why timelines are challenging.

Um But I will also say I've never done the job and I think that there's a lot of backbreaking work going on.

Um And it's not a skill set that I have.

So, you know what I got to roll with it what character growth to see?

Mary Jo have that like, nose to nose with the guy.

He is amazing.

He pushed her way too far and she finally feels comfortable sharing that.

Um I had one more general reaction and then one more stray.

My first general is uh Suzanne, I felt like was really firing on all cylinders in this episode.

Like when they went to the and like, like that's so different for me.

Right.

But when they were at the Dillingham and she was just like, going off on her diatribe about Julia's beef with um the Reagans.

Was it the Reagans?

She had like a beef with the Reagans and then Suzanne was like, cheesed off about everything that's happening with Anthony and just doesn't know what to think about this lead a person like all of her lines just every time she talked I left.

Oh, yeah.

She was just the most perfect example of Suzanne in this episode.

Oh, yeah.

All the Susans were on fire and, yeah, for sure.

So I had a couple of stray observations.

One is, is that, and I had to go back like a few times.

So I guess Lita has kids.

Oh, yeah.

Like to me, Anthony, like, drops it in at the beginning, like something about picking up kids or something like that and then it never gets brought up again.

And I thought that was interesting and weird.

Now, yeah.

Now double check me because hopefully I'm not messing that up, but it feels like it gets kind of snuck in there and then we never hear more about it.

Um At the end of the episode, their plan is to leave Sugar Bakers and surprise Anthony by showing up at the job site an hour earlier than the deadline.

I think that is the cruelest thing that you could ever do to any human being.

And if that is not subconsciously a way to show up and be like, you didn't finish the job, I don't know what it is, but when we just want to surprise them, I was like, I would kill you.

And if you've ever watched any of those like home remodeling shows to the very last minute, like they've got paint on their faces, they're like scrubbing paint on the wall.

They need every last second.

So, yeah, poor Anthony.

He wasn't ready for that.

I know that was just that really like that really like, really tweaked your me and it did.

It fired up something inside of me who?

Um and then I, so you're out of strays, right?

I have one more.

It's a cut line.

It's sorry, blue, some helium.

Go ahead.

Um There was a pretty substantial cut during the retelling of Julia's awkward interaction in the dressing room.

Um Basically, it sounded super similar to her to the retelling of her, like similar awkward experience on the runway in season three episode 15.

Uh, let's just say mall security got involved.

This go round and she got a date proposal because she's half naked in a dressing room.

Oh, you know, I think I went and read this cut line and I didn't realize the date thing because she puts on another woman's dress that's just hanging in the dressing room.

Right.

I was trying to think like, um, I, sometimes you'll go in a place and you can tell no one's been in there for a while.

But what a good reminder to maybe be careful about putting on the clothes.

But also like the fact that someone would hang them up so nice and neatly where I feel like I usually like throw mine on top of my purse in the corner and there was like no deodorant on the underarm or like nothing, no grape jelly just down the front of your top.

Yeah, it says, and by this time the mall cops are there with her walkie talkies and Julia is in her slip and the upshot is she can't go back to that store any time soon.

But one of the mall cops did ask her out Julia, she's just always getting asked on dates.

Where is she?

So we got a fair amount of Georgia and Atlanta specific references in this one.

In fact, so many that I have a request.

Can we Selina Sabar about these references?

Yes, it's a side Barcelona sidebar.

She got a keyboard looking for a reward but deep in the obscure, taking us on a deep tour.

What you got Salina in Salina Sidebar when I started thinking about all of these local references as like a package.

They're not just references.

These are like people in places that have shaped Atlanta, Georgia and in some cases, the world.

So I was really wanting to just kind of dig into these a little bit and I had a lot of fun doing it because I don't think I had looked, I don't know, I hadn't looked into like a bunch of Georgia people all at once back to back since I was like in elementary school.

That was required Georgia history, right?

Um And honestly, it's, it's not this fun, it's just sorry, 4th and 8th grade.

Um So in no certain order, although I do think this might be the order they were named.

But uh Ted Turner Rich's department store, Coretta Scott King, the Carters as in Jimmy and Rosalind and Habitat for Humanity were all mentioned.

So let's start with Ted Turner and his impact on Atlanta.

So we have T BS Braves and CNN.

I mean, I'm not sure anyone's legacy looms quite as large as Ted Turner does here in Atlanta.

I mean, he created CNN and the 24 hour news cycle CNN.

S headquarters remain in Atlanta, although I hear they're moving to midtown at some point this year.

Um The man literally changed news around the world, including the way it's perceived received.

I mean, and he did it right here in Atlanta.

So, and then he just left and then he just left left.

We still like the Braves stadium up until the Braves left and moved out to Cobb County was the TED, it was Turner Stadium, like he's the TED and he just left.

Well, it's funny that you mentioned the Braves because not only did he own the Braves for nearly 30 years, he turned them into one of the most profitable team teams in the league and during which they won world a World Series championship.

Go Braves.

And then he also turned them into America's team, albeit Nikki tells us back in season one episode 21 that, that was a bit of a controversial move.

And I do suggest go back to, um, if you want to know more about the Braves and I think it goes into this part of the history a lot.

Um, Nikki's extra sugar in that episode.

Saliva Balls and baseball groupies.

Yeah.

Huh.

Is it really good?

And it takes you through all of those different intricacies?

So I'm gonna bypass that because she's already done it.

And I want to talk about some things that you may or may not know.

So his nickname is Mouth of the South.

But he was actually born in Ohio and moved here at, or moved to Savannah rather at the age of eight.

And Nikki, I think you would admire his competitive spirit.

He won the 1977 America's Cup.

If you're not familiar with the America's Cup, this is an award for sailing.

It's also the oldest international competition still operating in, in any sport.

I'm not a sports person, but even that fact boggles my mind.

Uh This is wild.

Two years later, he captained his yacht just the whole sentence.

Ok.

Tenacious is the name of the yacht through a force 10 gale to win an ocean race where only 92 of 302 boats survived.

19 people were killed.

Good Lord.

That's crazy.

That's how he could have lost Ted Turner.

That's how you could have lost Ted Turner.

And that's before everything.

Wow, because that's 79.

Good Lord.

So, but perhaps what should be his most enduring legacy happened later in life.

He focused on environmental and global peace initiatives, donating one billion to the United Nations, which according to an Atlanta magazine article immunized 500 million Children funded world heritage conservation and worked toward eradicating polio.

He also gave 250 million to the nuclear threat initiative to secure nuclear material around the world.

And more than 300 million through his foundation, I'm not gonna stop to go fact check myself.

But I think I may have not updated my notes and I actually think it may have been way more than 2 50 what I'm trying to say is it's a lot of money.

He donated a lot of money.

So, um we'll link to that article, the Atlanta magazine one.

It's a good read because it's a very humanizing piece.

And I think a lot like, I don't know, it's just like these little tidbits about him that I felt like so lovely and kind of adorable.

So you should go check him out.

Uh, but I will not take that from Atlanta magazine.

Rich is, this is also a sad bar.

Although afterwards Nikki's gonna tell me we're gonna have to call it Full Bar.

Uh, Rich's department store up next.

Nikki.

You remember Rich's, right?

Yeah.

Predecessor of Macy's.

Yes.

Do you remember the Richest Bears?

No.

Mm mm.

I'm gonna see if I can, uh, show you this guy and not turn over my whole computer.

We'll see how it goes.

I could possibly Google it.

Ok.

Yeah, let's do it.

Oh, here, here it comes now.

Uh, oh, she's doing it anyway, guys, I'm doing it.

This guy right here.

I, I do realize this is a podcast.

So they're teddy bears and then they have a little hat like a Santa hat that says Richie on them and it has a little sweater that it's wearing.

Um, how come?

I never look that cute when my sweaters don't fit.

It's got a little Christmas tree on it.

Um, anyways, I think they released those every year for Christmas and Um, I'm pretty sure I had, uh, one or two that my grandparents got me.

I bet you I, like lost one and freaked out and they had to buy me another one.

I'm just taking a guess.

I'm just taking a guess.

But anyway, so for those of you who are not familiar, maybe you didn't grow up in the south or you didn't grow up here in Georgia.

Specifically.

It was a department store retail chain headquartered in Atlanta, which operated in the South from and this, I didn't know from 18 67 until it was replaced by Macy's in 2005.

So that's like 100 and 38 years worth of history.

So not gonna take you through all of that, but here's some highlights.

It was initially a dry goods store for about the 1st 30 or so years and started by a Hungarian immigrant, Mauritius.

Uh reach and Jealous size to Morris Rich.

Its first suburban store opened at Lenox Square in 1959.

Can you even imagine thinking about Lenox Square as the suburbs?

I think this came up Tuxedo Road, Tuxedo Road and thinking, oh, wow, life was different back then, right?

And, but I think some of your piece even stretched back into the 1800s, right?

And so like in 1960, I'm like, man, we're still calling that the suburbs.

That's crazy.

So here when we're talking about legacy, I think it's holiday traditions are some of its greatest legacies.

OK.

So we have the great tree.

This is a big old Christmas tree that they, this is the one that they put up on top of Macy's now at Lenox Square and then they do the tree lighting.

So the the iteration are different.

It used to be riches and riches was in downtown and now the trees artificial.

But other than that, the um this tradition continues all the same to be on Thanksgiving night.

People from all over come to kick off the holiday season with the tree lighting and other, you know, holiday festivities and around the area.

Have you ever been to the one at Lennox?

The tree lighting?

No.

Ok.

I've just been one time.

I think I didn't get, I think I probably would have felt a little bit more nostalgic about it if I hadn't been like, oh, I don't know, 33 years old when I went.

Um, but it's really cool to think that this thing has been around since 1948.

Um, and even at this point, it's been at Lenox since 2020.

So, I mean, uh, everything's 2020, it's been there since 2000.

So we're already looking at about to have its 23rd year.

That's a long time.

The second holiday tradition that comes up is Rich's pink pig.

You're familiar with the pink pig.

Yes, I am.

Ok.

So this began in 1956 as a child size monorail.

I thought this, I wish I could have seen this.

I, you can't even really find pictures that do it any justice.

But it was suspended from the ceiling of a portion of the plaza level of its store for homes.

And writers had a bird's eye view of the toy department below.

If that's not a good way to entice Children.

I, I don't know what it is.

Um, but in 1965 they expanded to include a second monorail and they move it to the roof of riches.

There's two pigs.

Eventually they go on to be named Priscilla and Percival.

And because this is audio, if you've never seen these molls before the front of the trains had a, had a pig face and the last car had curly tails.

Uh And the successor actually came on the scene in 2003 in Lennox Square and it remained around until 2021 when it was retired and they're now kept at the Atlanta History Center.

Perhaps Rich's most permanent legacy is W A B E A radio station.

They donated through their foundation to Atlanta and Fulton Public Schools.

And if you're from Atlanta, this is now our affiliate N PR station whose license is held by Atlanta Public Schools to this day, I also want to be um just uh I don't know, this is the best part of their legacy, but it is part of their legacy.

I ran across the Georgia State article and we'll link to that so you can read more about uh riches yourself.

But riches did become a focal point of the movement to deseg desegregate lunch counters in Atlanta department stores.

The effort would eventually bring in and involve Martin Luther King Junior.

He was arrested for the first time in this particular sit in and J F K who eventually called the Georgia governor and advocated for his release was also involved.

Uh The dining halls were officially integrated about a year later, move faster.

That's all I gotta say.

Move faster.

Um Our next Atlanta legacy uh sort of a correlated story here is Coretta Scott King, Martin Luther King Junior's wife, but she was more than a wife, much more than a wife.

She's a civil rights leader in her own right, as well as an author and an activist.

Um while her story is woven into the very fabric of Atlanta, she was born in Alabama in 1927 and she was valedictorian of her high school and held a B A in music.

In fact, she met M L K while she was studying music in Boston.

And one of her most widely known achievements is establishing the King Center in 1968.

She envisioned it to be and this is her quote, no dead monument, but a living memorial filled with uh all the vitality that was his a center of human endeavor, committed to the causes for which he lived and died.

It was about educational community programs as well as protecting and advances, advancing M L K s legacy.

And it sounds like they're actually in the middle of um a revamp right now that includes plans for a state of the art renovation and they get about a million visitors each year.

So, um she also busted her hump to honor M L K with his own federal holiday, which was signed into law in 1983.

And today they are be buried together here in Atlanta.

They have an absolutely beautiful memorial in Oakland Cemetery, which we featured on our social media, both the cemetery and the memorial if you're in this area.

Um and haven't been um like, it's a can't miss um site here in Atlanta.

It's legitimately a great experience.

And then last, but not least we get a triple whopper that makes me hungry.

Jimmy Carter Rosal and Carter and Habitat for Humanity.

Jimmy Carter was the 39th president of the US from 1977 to 1980.

And he is also the only president in our history from Georgia.

He's a navy veteran.

And before his presidency, he served as a Georgia senator and then as the governor and he authored get this 32 books.

Oh, wow.

I mean this man is busy every time I read about the Carters, it like, warms my heart.

I just think they are the most precious two people.

Like I pray that nothing bad ever comes out about them.

Like I feel so many people's legacies are tainted and theirs haven't been.

And like, if we could just have a couple of everyone's human and I get that.

But like if we could just have a couple of aspirational characters left in this world, that would be so wonderful.

He is 98 years old and that means he has some legacies that are just based on his age alone.

He's our oldest loving president and the nation's nation's longest lived president and he and his wife, Rosalyn have the longest presidential marriage in US history.

Rosalynn Carter is 95 years old and let me tell you, this woman has done it all.

She's a champion for mental health caregiving, early child immunization, human rights and conflict resolution.

She's won countless awards, but among them are the United States Surgeon General's Medallion, the United States Presidential Medal of Freedom.

And she's been inducted into the National Woman's Hall of Fame.

She has authored five books, Nikki, I barely got pants on before you got here.

These are the differences.

Ok.

Uh So you could argue their greatest legacy is the Carter Center.

This is the nonpartisan and nonprofit that they founded 40 years ago, right here in Atlanta.

And I don't want to get this wrong because it's, it feels like it's pretty nuanced what they do so directly from their website.

They address national and international issues of public policy.

And the Carter Center staff and associates join President Carter in efforts to resolve conflict, promote democracy to protect human rights and prevent disease and other afflictions.

You know, just your regular duty.

That's right.

And the center has spearheaded the international effort to eradicate guinea worm disease, which is poised to be the second human disease in history to be eradicated.

What you do today, honey.

Oh, you know, just eradicating diseases.

Same old, same.

Um It feels almost impossible to disentangle the Carters from Habitat for Humanity.

And that's because of a collaboration that they've done for since 1984.

Um And that's Habitat's Carter work project together.

They have worked with more than 100,000 volunteers in 14 countries to build renovate and repair more than 4000 homes.

And Habitat itself is a Georgia legacy which I'm not entirely sure I realized its roots are just outside of America's Georgia today.

That nugget of an idea that it started at is in every state in more than 70 countries.

It's helped more than 46 million people achieve strength, stability and independence through safe, decent and affordable shelter.

So I just wanted to share some of those really cool things about like like an amazing organization, these long legacies that we have of people who are right here in our own backyard in our peach state.

I actually thought Habitat For Humanity was founded by the Carters because they're so intertwined.

But actually it was founded nearly a decade before they even got involved by Millard and Linda Fuller, which I found really fascinating.

I just thought it was one of the same.

Yeah, Carter's ha.

And I think, and that's how, um, interwoven the two are, um, especially like by now in thinking about the course of the show and that being 89, right then they hadn't been doing it all that long.

Now we're talking about, you know, 35 years or I'm not great with math.

Yeah.

Sorry.

Um So that was some things that I liked about references.

Nikki.

What did you like about the show?

Uh I think we've gotten hints before, uh, of the women's affinity for Anthony, how much they loved him.

But this episode I feel like really laid it out there in a way we haven't seen.

So I agree with, with your argument earlier that the women were not showing their best selves when it came to LITA.

But I think it was because they were Big Sister Anthony.

Um, and they want to make sure he's getting the real, really the best.

Um, Julia tried to rein it in a couple of times as sort of saying like his relationship is his business.

Let's leave him alone.

But then she still, that got strained at times and you could really see she didn't really care for LITA.

I actually loved the concept of it.

Because Anthony needs someone, like he needs family, he needs people close by.

And I love that he found that in these women.

Um, so I really liked that.

I also really liked that we got to see a girlfriend, like we've heard about women, but I like that.

We actually got to see her and that she, in my opinion was so different from what I was expecting, what I would have expected of him.

Um I don't even know that I could articulate what I expected.

But when it was her, I was like, it wasn't her, I think because you said earlier, like, does he have like a Julia type?

I guess I kind of thought maybe he had a little more of a, maybe like a Mary Jo type like spunky and fun and not quite business and in your face.

So that surprised me a little bit.

I think we'll get the spunky fun later.

That's more the girlfriend I was expecting for him.

So, and I think because I, I know that part of the show, I didn't have an expectation.

Um But I did not remember this episode.

Uh Same, that was a like for me as well.

Like I may have not enjoyed that other aspect, but I love how much Anthony loves the ladies and I love the ladies of the show and all of the natives.

Um And I love how much they love him.

And I agreed that this was an episode where it really showcased that in a way.

I'm not sure it's done where it's all of them.

Maybe like him and Julia have a moment or him and Suzanne have like some kind of whatever in this adventure, like Lucy and Ethel or something.

Um But this felt different and I, you mentioned some wines that you liked of Suzanne's, one of the ones I liked is that she thought that Lita might be white because she picked up on her being selfish, but she whiny and neurotic sounds like a white girl.

And I laughed a lot.

I feel like the storytelling in this one, at least in the Uncut original was really top notch.

So again, that story from the dressing room akin to like the full moon episode was really good offscreen storytelling when the on screen version wouldn't have the same payoff.

I really love Charlene's Dairy Queen story.

Oh my God.

I really thought we were going to find out that that man like founded the first ever froze Joe chain in the early oughts or something, you know, like something crazy about how amazing he was.

But really it was just that he had a really good first week.

He had a great first week.

He's still a dairy queen.

So that was my last like, yeah, I thought that story really cracked me up and I see why you think that because like sometimes we get like a Fred Smith story from her.

So you just, you never know what you're gonna.

Yeah.

Don't paint, don't paint Charlene into a corner.

You know, I do like, this is my last like I do like that.

The show is self aware enough to have Charlene ask if Lita had a point about whether they're holding Anthony back or not.

So, in terms of like being able to see um some balance, um I think there was at least a little bit nudged into the script.

Uh There wasn't really much in this episode.

I didn't like, uh I feel like I said earlier, this isn't it only like is ever so slightly even uh not like this concept of a yuppie.

It was just such an undercurrent to the episode and an undercurrent for why they didn't like lita that I just feel like that reference is a little bit lost.

Now.

It's a, a little bit dated.

So it, it almost is unclear even now why, like, why exactly did Julia dislike her so much?

Um or what is it about yuppies that really just ground her gears?

I don't know, that was the only little and it's even just kind of a tiny piece of the episode, but I didn't, I didn't care for that.

Yeah, I, I actually didn't love these storylines together even if they were both Anthony and, and hear me out, I think I would have preferred no screw it.

We're done.

Um I I think I would have preferred to have seen them both blown out a little and covered in separate episodes.

This way, each plot would have had some breathing room related to that point.

I didn't care for how quickly things escalated when they first met, met Lita on the job site.

That did not feel earned to me.

It just felt like it just ratcheted up so fast that I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Hey, think everybody take a pill, everybody calm down.

I just, I didn't care for that.

Um Anthony didn't either.

No, I wouldn't have either.

I think I would have been like, I'd be a batman movie.

Um the whole Reagan Carter commentary.

I'm glad that I got the chance to like look back at the Carters.

But honestly what Julia was saying all of that in the middle of the episode, it felt forced and out of place.

It felt like L BT had been some, speaking of grinding gears, something had really been not sitting well with her about the Reagans and these paid speeches and she just really needed to get that out somewhere.

So she got it out here.

It was Pam Norris.

Oh Pam, sorry, Pam.

You know what is so funny?

And I almost mentioned this a minute ago during your sidebar, but I didn't want to color anything.

Uh If you don't know much about the Carters and sometimes the older presidents, the older at this point.

In time presidencies, I feel like can be a little challenging to keep straight.

Like, what was Carter responsible for versus Reagan?

Um, the Carters and, and Jimmy Carter in particular is an example of a president who took a very tarnished presidential reputation and turned it into a beautiful post presidential reputation.

Um, I, I think it's fair to say that, uh, if L BT had written this episode, I just don't know that much about Pam Norris's political leanings.

Although I mean, you could possibly assume that she leans a little more liberal.

I would guess he was not her favorite US president.

And I would guess that just a few short years before this episode, she would not have been his favorite person.

He would not have been her favorite person.

The Carters, in fact, um, but the car um have changed.

So, I don't know.

Yeah.

And I didn't mean to attribute that to L BT.

So because I always go and I pull directly from the, from I M DB and then you come back and tell me how I got it wrong.

And so I not the intent, I know it's not, but like I have it in my head for like three weeks that it's one writer and every time I'm wrong.

So, um I really need to um like submit that and maybe I need to check in with you or if you'll let me know when it's wrong, so I'll stop attributing all these characteristics to L BT that are helping Pam Norris.

I always just notice them when I'm watching the credits.

Yeah.

I don't ever watch the credits.

Um, so I've juicy stuff is, that's how I would have noticed, had been paying attention.

I would have seen that.

T Tommy Reid was in the last episode, but I wasn't paying attention.

Well, do you know his name?

I think if I read it it would resonate with me if it had just said T Tommy, that would have been glorious.

But it'd be the ultimate Easter egg.

So, but all that to say it doesn't matter if it's Pam Norris's, if it's L BT s whoever's, um, like thought that is on the Reagans.

I mean, I, I, I even understand the sentiment but it just felt out of place and it didn't feel earned.

So those were my two and I wouldn't even call them, not likes.

I would just call them me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You want to rate the sucker?

Sure.

Uh, my rating scale is first week Dairy Queen promotions.

I love it.

I'm giving this one a 4.5 out of five.

Um, I don't have anything tangible to take away from it, but it wasn't quite a five for me.

I can't explain it.

I don't have any evidence that I would offer up for it.

Um, it's hard sometimes.

Sometimes it's just gut, it's just, and it's, it's fine.

I can I can do what I want.

Right.

Also, sometimes it's like you've got other things going on besides rating an episode of TV, from 1989.

And sometimes you look back and go, what the hell is it?

Sometimes that, but you know what, you're gonna double down on it.

Just like I did in the last episode, you're gonna take your lumps and we'll move on.

But, you know, like when I think of a five, like an episode, I'm gonna go.

If someone asked me, what, what episode should I watch of designing women, I wouldn't point them to this one.

Not because I hate the episode.

Not because I don't think it's fine.

It's just not the tippy pop, pop poop poop.

So don't you just often wish that things for the, you just can't get that all the time.

You know, what about you?

I gave it three out of five stall jobs.

Can't tell you what I was thinking then to be honest, but here we are, I did actually write something down to remind myself.

Let's use a decorating analogy.

Shall we?

The pretty throw pillows on the couch won't matter if the foundation is cracked.

It's true.

Anthony.

Yeah.

And I think Lita and Anthony's foundation may have been cracked.

You think so?

I think maybe I think he was uncertain the whole time.

I think so because there's like a new woman coming in soon also.

Yeah, I've seen those episodes.

But I think he seemed a little tenuous and uncertain and he, I feel like, um, as he continues to build his life, um, is trying to figure out what he wants and he was almost test driving this sort of person, this type of lifestyle and seeing how it worked for, for him.

And I think seeing the women's reactions, it should not always matter what other people think for sure.

But I think when you have people that you respect and trust in your life and they are telling you something, sometimes you listen and should listen and hear what they're saying.

And I think Anthony had a couple of moments where he was like, maybe they're right, maybe something's not right here.

So I think he wasn't quite sure what he wanted.

That's a, that's a foundation foundation.

So, eighties things, every message that lita left, she left one about dry cleaning.

She left one about hand cleaning.

She left one about aerobics.

She left one to Chinese food without MS G.

Oh, then she won that.

The 80s.

Yeah.

Hold on, hold on.

I got back up though.

Why is the hands cleaning from the 80s?

Um, it, it was dry cleaning and then also she had a load of hand cleaning that, I guess, like, like sending out your laundry.

Ok.

I thought you meant hand.

No, sorry.

Sending out your, just the idea of sending your laundry out.

I understand is still very much happens in like urban areas for sure.

Um, more in like the city sometimes they'll take advantage of the laundry services.

But I feel like that was an 80's older thing.

Ok.

I just, I was like, we're still cleaning our hands.

I just, you are?

I said what a weirdo.

Um, ok.

What else did you have?

Well, just the reference to Ronald and Nancy Reagan.

Uh, something was said about a phone number to Domino's.

I think it was when they were asking him what he, you know what he would tell the, the family who lives in the house, the reference to Batman, which you talked about in the 1989 e extra sugar at the top of episode one this season.

That really excited me by the way, I was like, yeah, I told you it was a big deal.

Uh calling a beamer uh or calling a BMW a beamer.

I feel like is I feel like I still hear people of the generation for which this would have resonated, say it but like I don't call it a beamer unless I'm joking.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um And then just the whole kitchen there was talk about for M for mic a countertop.

Was that, was that like on the list as you were doing your kitchen?

Uh Definitely, it definitely was also the fridge in the corner was definitely my grandparents house.

Yeah, that whole kitchen.

Yeah, that's all I have was a great catch.

So I just wanted to say, did we say earlier at any time what yuppie stands for since we also said that no one knows what that means.

Ok.

So I just want to say, uh that, that's a young urban professional and it was coined in this time period um or in this decade, but in the early eighties for a young professional person working in a city.

Uh and I, I said the same thing which is basically like when I was, or like, as I was thinking about this, as a reference is like, I, I think we barely grasp it at our age.

And so I'm guessing 35 is probably the cut-off for any understanding of that.

And under 30, no point of reference.

And I will say when I think of yuppie, what comes to mind is the CJ fox.

Oh, I was gonna say the couple that lives next door to vacation and they are the perfect example of what I think the perception of a yuppie is.

I think you have sort of like this high standard, you're into the finer things.

You're maybe a little bit.

It's not.

Yeah, exactly.

And that's when I think of yuppie, that's my example.

So, like if you've seen that movie and you're younger, you probably know what a yuppie is.

You just don't realize that's what you're realizing.

That's, that's a perfect example.

Um, a lot of glass top tables.

Exactly.

This is what you got to have.

Ok.

Um So there were a couple of references that were eighties that made me think that L BT had her justice system on the brain first.

She not Pamela.

I didn't even correct you that time.

So you don't think you need to but you need to.

It's wrong.

So Pamela had the justice system on her brain on her brain because Julia compares Lita to Leona Helmsley.

Um So for those who don't know, she was investigated and convicted of federal income tax evasion and other crimes in 1989 she was required to serve only 19 months in prison and two months under house arrest of what was initially a 16 year sentence.

And Hensley was an American business woman.

She was like in real estate, she was in hotels.

But what she probably what she's most known for is what the press referred to her, which is the queen of mean.

She's a, she's interesting to look into.

I put that in my references we need to talk about because I did not know who that person was.

Ok.

So for me, I think of her as like a lifetime movie special because I think that's what we got of her.

And even those would have been like, I was too young to be watching a lifetime movie, to be honest.

So um was there any since we're here on her?

Is there anything that you found that you know, the queen of mean was the most interesting.

The not most interesting, just like I love things that rhyme.

I just didn't think it was a good comp to read it after I read about it.

I was like, there, there's just nothing.

What are you talking about, Julia?

It's making any sense.

That's why I think I was saying like something's on brain, you know.

Right.

Glad we sorted that out.

See you.

Um But so even our brief encounter with Anthony's accountant may have been hinting at some things.

So do you remember when he comes through the door?

He unlike Anthony, you know what?

It's very brief?

I forgot it.

Yeah.

So he comes through and like he is a person of unfortunate incarceration, but he was in a white collar prison and he says half the time I couldn't even get a tennis court, it was hell.

So it just got me curious and I started looking into it a little bit.

There aren't white collar prisons per se, but there are minimum security prisons or federal prison camps known for dormitory housing, a relatively low staff to inmate ratio and limited or no perimeter fencing.

I think this is probably a jab at Southern California's uh at Lompoc federal prison camp where Ivan Boesky reportedly spent his afternoons playing tennis on lush grounds, unencumbered by Bob Dwyer.

He was arrested in 1986 for insider trading.

If you don't know, Boesky, chances are you know the iconic Gordon Gecko um from the movie Wall Street who was modeled after Bo.

Why are you laughing at me?

You don't know who Gordon Gecko is?

You've literally just said two things back to back.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

You really don't know who Gordon Gecko is.

Ok.

Uh you know from like the Wall Street.

Ok.

But now you do, I know what your is good.

I know what you're talking about.

Ok.

We're just from two different generations.

We're just, we have three months between us.

That might be it.

I was gonna say, I think we're two different TV.

Consumers.

I've never seen Wall Street.

Ok.

I've never seen it.

I just know everything about it.

So also really said the iconic lying greed is good to an applauding class of business students at Berkeley.

Let me tell you something that wouldn't happen at Berkeley today.

That's how we know we're in two different time periods.

Um And the amenities at these types of prisons continue to draw attention will link to a town and country article describing some of those um southern things.

The only thing I had, I think that I didn't mention in my full bar was the governor's mansion.

Did you have any Southern references?

I had habitat for humanity because I wasn't thinking you were gonna cover that before you.

That was it.

And then Leona Helmsley don't apologize was the uh reference we need to talk about.

You just covered that.

Ok.

And you caught my batman in the 80s.

So um that's it.

All right.

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Salina?

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