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Designing Women S5 E15 - The Sensational, Sizzling Giselle

If there’s one thing this season has taught us so far, it’s that life can get a little stale. At least Julia is doing something spicier than jogging! That’s right, she’s having her “Sasha Fierce” moment – decorator by day, sultry lounge singer by night. 

We’ll sidebar in the middle on beauty tips thanks to what we’re calling Charlene’s “hands up” beauty routine.

Then come back Thursday for a bit of a potpourri “Extra Sugar” – we’re talking about this whole double life concept. How is it different from a hobby? What is a doppelgänger exactly? And is it time for us to claim our own alter ego?? Fall down the rabbit hole with us, y’all. 

Come on y’all, let’s get into it! 




Salina: Hey, Nikki.

Nikki: Hey, Salina.

Salina: And hello, everyone.

Salina: Welcome to Sweet Tea and tv.

Salina: Hey, y'all.

Salina: I keep want to say like the home of pimiento cheese.

Salina: Maybe I'll just change it every time.

Salina: Yeah, the home of bread and butter pickles.

Salina: I don't know.

Salina: Well, better save some so I have some for the future.

Salina: And then one day I'll look back at you, Nikki, and I'll go, how long has this been going on?

Nikki: Nice.

Nikki: This week's episode is season five, episode 15.

Nikki: How long has this been going on?

Nikki: The designing women online description of this episode is the ladies begin to suspect that Julia is living a double life while Anthony tries to get up the nerve to approach a beautiful sales girl at the bookstore.

Nikki: Air date January 28 we're calling this one the sensational, sizzling Giselle, written by Cassandra Clark and Deborah Pearl and directed by David Trainor.

Nikki: So thinking about your general reaction, Salina, what do you have?

Salina: Meeting Giselle felt akin to meeting the real Dixie Carter for the first time and not Julia Sugarbaker.

Salina: That's my guess.

Salina: I think that she is more like what Dixie Carter was like.

Salina: That's my first general reaction.

Nikki: How about you?

Nikki: I feel like we really let that singing go on for a long time in the club.

Nikki: So I wonder what the political stance she's taken recently got her such a long solo.

Salina: It's interesting that you say that.

Salina: So I'm going to pause here on the general reactions to just say my reaction to this season so far is that there hasn't been a lot of serious content because I've been even thinking about, like, I'm like, am I phoning it in on the extra sugars and the sidebars or something?

Nikki: And then I was like, I don't think I am.

Nikki: We've really had to reach for some of them.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: Or if it has, like, I think the most serious it's gotten, if you wanted to dig deep, is like military spouses or something like that.

Salina: We still talked about it, but there's only so much that we can cover.

Salina: I don't know what she's getting to sing for, honestly.

Salina: It's not for a progressive rant.

Nikki: Her performance was also very sensual, so I think someone somewhere was getting something out of it.

Salina: I think she probably is a sensual performer because there's, like the cabaret thing that is like a passion of hers.

Salina: And we learned that when we covered her in an extra sugar last season.

Salina: And then the other thing is, remember when we talked about her and Hal Holbrook really early on and there was that anecdote about how laying on pianos.

Salina: That's right.

Nikki: She loved to think about that too much.

Salina: I understand the weird, random things that pass through my head, like, an unnatural amount of times is like, does my brain need to be checked?

Nikki: That's wrong.

Nikki: What's wrong?

Salina: Why?

Salina: That feels very Giselle.

Nikki: Yeah, that's true.

Salina: I only have one other general reaction, which is, I got to say that, I mean, not the episode as a whole, but there is something that really resonated with me, and that is needing a vacation from being yourself, finding the free spirit within, kicking up your heels, or no heels, rather, will be even better, and just being outrageous for a change.

Salina: And that's what hit me.

Nikki: I have two more general reactions, and one of them is along those lines Mary Jo said, I guess we do have these expectations of you, that you'll be some kind of paragon of strength and rectitude.

Nikki: But who says a paragon of strength and rectitude can't have fun?

Nikki: And I kept thinking about that in my own personal life, how I struggle so much with other people's expectations of myself that I think sometimes I forget the person that I actually am, and I've sacrificed it in honor of meeting other people's expectations.

Nikki: We talked about that in the Crown episode, that you're sort of this combination of eras.

Nikki: And I think me at different points in my life isn't quite the me that I project anymore because I've buttoned it up.

Nikki: There have been times recently where I've thought, I'm too old for that.

Nikki: I can't do that.

Nikki: I'm too old.

Nikki: And I think we just let people's expectations of us get us down.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: On the note of Mary Jo, her wing woman ness wasn't really my style.

Nikki: She was just, like, super direct.

Nikki: She just walked up and was like, he likes you.

Salina: Have fun.

Salina: It was a little strong.

Nikki: It'd be a little.

Nikki: It was too strong.

Nikki: Which also is kind of stray.

Nikki: But what other strays do you have?

Salina: But speaking of that.

Salina: So at the end of the episode, they're back, and they're at Sugar Bakers.

Salina: And everyone asks Julia to sing one more time, but she says she doesn't have a piano accompaniment.

Salina: Where's her piano that Suzanne bought her back in season two, episode twelve, I'll be home for Christmas.

Nikki: She sold it so Suzanne could buy the pearls.

Nikki: Have you not been following along?

Salina: Duh.

Salina: But yeah.

Salina: So I was like, where did that piano go?

Salina: I guess maybe they borrowed it for evening shade.

Nikki: Maybe.

Salina: What did you have I mean, I.

Nikki: Have others, but she just gets real stray real fast.

Nikki: When the group was waiting for Julia to come back to Sugar bakers after singing at the club, the still photo of the house looked like it was taken at, like, dawn or dusk.

Nikki: But it was literally, as the group was saying, like, how late it is.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: So I was just like, where are we in time?

Nikki: Is it first thing in the morning?

Nikki: That's how late it is?

Nikki: Or is it, like, just about evening time?

Salina: But that larger thought, where are we in time?

Salina: Doesn't that also resonate with you a lot?

Salina: What is the color of this room right now?

Salina: Why are Salina and I sitting here in the dark?

Nikki: What's happened here?

Nikki: I had a guest star alert.

Nikki: Oh, Patricia.

Nikki: Ayami Thompson.

Nikki: She played May, the sales girl.

Nikki: She's been in a lot.

Nikki: She was in an episode of Friends and an episode of Seinfeld, for instance.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: Do you recognize her?

Salina: I've seen a lot of didn't.

Nikki: Like, you didn't watch this and think, I know her.

Salina: I didn't, but I don't know.

Salina: I may have just not been in that mode.

Salina: It was Seinfeld.

Salina: And what else?

Nikki: Friends.

Nikki: I didn't recognize her from friends either.

Salina: Like, things that I should know.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: I probably feel stupid when I look.

Salina: It up, but here we are.

Salina: Well, so I think this episode could have really benefited from a Bernice appearance.

Salina: She could have brought could all episodes, honestly.

Salina: And eventually they will.

Salina: So there we go.

Salina: I thought that she could have really brought a fun layer to the nightclub scene.

Salina: And then, well, my last Dre is about the whole hands up routine that Charlene brings up for softer, younger hands.

Salina: And I'm really about to surprise you here.

Salina: Do you know what I'm talking about?

Nikki: Oh, where she's like, yeah.

Salina: Do you think that made sense to the listeners?

Salina: We both put our hands up in the air.

Salina: It's supposed to make your hands softer because the blood runs to your b*** or something.

Salina: I don't remember.

Salina: Anyways, I was going to ask, can we sidebar oopsies.

Salina: Yep.

Nikki: It'S a sidebar Salina sidebar.

Nikki: She's got a keyboard.

Nikki: Looking for a reward by digging deep in the obscure, taking us on a detour.

Nikki: What you got Salina in Salina's sidebar.

Salina: I just always want to take this one on and on because it's such a nice, steady beat.

Salina: I feel like my heart's just like, yes, this is right.

Salina: This is right.

Salina: Anyways, so Charlene's new routine inspired me to look into some weird beauty tips yes, please.

Salina: Like, what are we doing?

Nikki: Nail oil.

Salina: Boy, maybe.

Salina: And, boy, did I find some interesting beauty secrets.

Salina: Celebrities swear to like kitty litter as exfoliant.

Salina: Toothpaste on zits.

Salina: That one feels really old school.

Salina: Ketchup to correct hair color, red wine baths to soften the skin.

Salina: Just drink the red wine, guys.

Salina: Just drink red wine.

Salina: And taking your own placenta after pregnancy.

Salina: For the record, these were all tips that the experts said to skip, but experts were all about avocado to condition your hair and beer to remove buildup from it.

Salina: So write that one down.

Nikki: Do you think I have buildup in my hair, Salina?

Salina: Everyone.

Nikki: You pointed at me.

Salina: I write that one down.

Nikki: I pointed to the screen where you have a picture of me.

Salina: Oh, I didn't tell you how long it's been since I've washed my hair.

Salina: Okay, so I'll link to an article on that for anyone who wants more details.

Salina: But where I thought things got really interesting is looking delicious.

Salina: Maybe even is, when I look back into history.

Salina: Dangerous?

Salina: Maybe.

Salina: So, according to a medium article, the egyptian queen Nefertiti, as well as queen Elizabeth I.

Salina: Let's not get our Elizabeth's confused.

Salina: Both loved their makeup.

Salina: Unfortunately, it was also likely poisoning them, and in Elizabeth's case, is suspected as the cause of her death.

Salina: Uh oh.

Nikki: Yep.

Salina: The egyptian coal nefertiti used for her eyeshadow was made from lead.

Salina: Her lipstick contained broman manite, a highly toxic plant derived chemical.

Salina: Elizabeth used venetian sarus, a skin whitener, all over her body and face, apparently to hide really bad smallpox scars and give her porcelain skin.

Salina: Unfortunately, like egyptian coal, the stuff was chock full of lead.

Salina: Then there's Empress Elizabeth of Austria and Marie Antoinette, who relied on food for their beauty rituals.

Salina: The empress used crushed strawberry scrub on her face and hands bathed in warm olive oil.

Salina: I'm into these.

Salina: I could do that.

Salina: She also slept in a raw veal based face mask.

Nikki: I sleep in that, too.

Salina: Oh, sorry.

Nikki: Sorry for you.

Salina: Sorry for me.

Salina: I'm missing out imagining meat face, meat face.

Salina: Marie Antoinette preferred a face mask made of babies.

Nikki: Placenta cake.

Nikki: That's what I said.

Nikki: That's what I said.

Salina: Baby cake.

Salina: Baby cakes get on my face.

Salina: Where do you think that saying came from?

Salina: So, it consisted of brandy, eggs, milk powder, and lemon.

Salina: She wore it every night, and in the morning, she washed her face with stewed pigeon water to clean and brighten the skin.

Nikki: Ew.

Salina: Is pigeon water what it sounds like?

Salina: Okay, let me say that at first, I was, like, just picturing live pigeons or just like, maybe they were just taking a little scoot around the water, and then she's like, boop, boop, poop.

Salina: But, yeah, it must be like, stewed don't.

Nikki: Or pigeon.

Salina: Oh, with poop.

Nikki: Peepee water, Salina.

Salina: Well, diarrhea, you can poop in water.

Salina: Anyways, whatever it is, I wouldn't be putting it on my face.

Salina: And like others of her time, she traced the veins on her skin with a blue pen to, quote, give a translucent appearance and highlight the whiteness of her body.

Nikki: Pretty.

Salina: So I thought I'd round out by sharing a few of my own beauty tips, or, as I refer to them, usually, dear God, please stop aging me tips.

Salina: So, Nikki, feel free to jump in if you have anything to share, but it's okay if you don't have anything to share.

Salina: At this time, I am kind of putting Nikki on the spot here.

Salina: All right, be very careful, but use a straight pin to remove mascara clumps.

Salina: Be very careful.

Salina: Gold in the I have poked mine before.

Salina: Gold in the corner of your eyes to look more awake.

Salina: Coconut oil for everything.

Salina: You can use it as moisturizer in a pinch or to shine up your nails.

Salina: It.

Salina: And castor oil as a moisturizing mask for your hair.

Salina: Use it to remove makeup, and it's gentle enough for your eyes.

Salina: And then you can even use it as, like, a mouth cleanser for hair.

Salina: Never use shampoo or conditioners with sulfates or parabens.

Salina: And if you color your hair, wash it with cold water to make the color last longer.

Salina: Try not to wash your hair daily.

Salina: Check.

Salina: Use a satin or silk pillowcase and or hair wrap to keep it fresh in between washes.

Salina: Skin is essential.

Salina: Put body lotion on when you.

Nikki: Yes, indeed.

Salina: I think I'm in skin care, but.

Nikki: Also you got to cover the bones.

Salina: You really need something.

Nikki: Hold it all together.

Salina: Excuse me.

Salina: So put body lotion on when you first get out of the shower.

Salina: Never leave makeup on overnight from an esthetician.

Salina: Wash your face twice a day with a gentle cleanser followed by a toner face and eye serum and moisturizer with SPF for a day.

Salina: And wear sunscreen daily on anything exposed to the sun.

Salina: I really think I know now why I'm tired.

Salina: Just when I thought about all of those different things that I try to.

Nikki: Do on a regular basis, I still.

Salina: Look in the mirror and been treated to this.

Nikki: I thought you were poisoning yourself with all of your makeup and products.

Salina: Oh, maybe your pigeon water.

Salina: So that's why I added some on, because I was like, I can't just talk about, like, pigeon water and blue veins.

Nikki: Sure.

Salina: Here are some actual legitimate ones you could use.

Nikki: The esthetician told me that you are inclined to think you should wash your face with hot water or warm water because you think it's going to open your pores.

Nikki: It removes the layer of moisture on your skin to use really hot water.

Nikki: So actually use cool water to wash your face.

Salina: Yes.

Nikki: So skin is essential, as is the moisture on your skin.

Salina: That is true.

Nikki: And so you talked about moisturizing.

Nikki: That's really important for your face.

Nikki: She shared that, and that sort of surprised me.

Nikki: The other thing that I think will surprise those of us who use the apricot scrub in middle school, like, relentlessly.

Nikki: That level of exfoliation irritates your script, it irritates your skin, and if you're acne prone, it will actually encourage acne.

Salina: Yeah, you really need a gentle exfoliator.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: So that's a good point about the not washing with warm water, which I'm terrible about, by the way.

Nikki: I just love the way it feels.

Salina: Same.

Salina: And, well, you're also not supposed to, especially for someone with as sensitive as skin as I have.

Salina: They say, like, don't take super hot showers.

Nikki: Yeah, good luck.

Nikki: I also do that I'm scalding the.

Salina: Skin off or I'm not getting in.

Nikki: I burned myself today and it felt so good.

Nikki: It's just when it gets cold, I just want to be warm.

Salina: I know.

Salina: And then you can't get out.

Salina: And then you're, like, trapped.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: It's like half a day passes and.

Nikki: You'Re like, I guess I'll just live here now.

Nikki: Bring me some clothes because I can't be.

Salina: Need some lotions.

Salina: The skin is essential.

Salina: God.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: I also hate the smell of coconut oil, so I've tried using it to remove my eye makeup or as a moisturizer.

Nikki: I hate the smell of it.

Salina: You can use extra virgin olive oil, too.

Nikki: It just all smells so cookery.

Salina: Maybe you could use some chickery.

Nikki: Like I'm being brined or something.

Salina: Well, that's what was so funny about the olive oil bath or whatever.

Nikki: It doesn't sound horrible, except, like, what do you dry off with?

Nikki: What do you put on afterwards?

Nikki: Or like, what about your belly button?

Salina: Everything down.

Nikki: Oh, come on, man.

Salina: Well, maybe she was also wearing a chastity belt.

Nikki: Maybe.

Nikki: And it lubricated it.

Salina: Well, then it wasn't very helpful.

Salina: But maybe that's okay.

Salina: I don't know.

Salina: I can't get in the empress's business, you know what I'm saying?

Salina: And no one else could either.

Salina: All right, well, besides a bad joke, Nikki, what else did you like about this episode?

Salina: That made no sense, but that's okay.

Salina: What did you like about this episode of designing?

Nikki: I really love the twist of Anthony's dream girl being rough around the edges.

Nikki: It sort of feeds into a cut line.

Nikki: There was one cut line where Anthony says, mary Jo says, sounds like you got it bad.

Nikki: He says, yes, mary Jo, she's so sophisticated and eloquent.

Nikki: I keep having these fantasies about us going to the symphonies and form film festivals.

Nikki: Then afterwards, sipping a sniff of corvoissier while she managed massages my feet.

Nikki: And it sort of goes on from there.

Nikki: So I loved the twist of Anthony's dream girl being a little rough around the edges in light of what he was expecting of her.

Nikki: He says, mary Jo, she just burped in my face and said, there's more where that came from.

Nikki: I just thought that was so funny.

Nikki: I also really like Suzanne's comeback when Charlene said, if we all had clones, we could essentially live a life of leisure.

Nikki: And she was basically like, what do you need a clone for to do that?

Nikki: I do that all the time.

Salina: She also had another good line about her take on preventative care, which is just another excuse to get women to take their clothes off.

Nikki: Anthony had a line where he said, she's right.

Nikki: You can't prove anything with a few shreds of totally unsubstantiated circumstantial evidence.

Nikki: That's a very popular term I used to hear bandied about in prison.

Nikki: I just like the way he mixes in prison with bandied around in prison.

Nikki: It's just really funny.

Nikki: And then I also wanted to mention, he says, charlene, you think they'd let me bring my VCR to the monastery?

Nikki: Which tells me he finally got one after all that.

Nikki: Back in season five, this season, episode two, when they gave him his dad instead.

Salina: I like that.

Salina: Everyone minus Julia in this case.

Salina: Not because it's minus Julia, but just like this idea of going on a mission together.

Salina: I think that's always a fun setup, that Anthony comes in and thinks it's a hold up when everyone is practicing their new beauty tip with their hands up in the air, which it would be a really weird thing to walk into the room and see someone doing.

Salina: And then everyone's reaction to Julia at the club when they bust.

Salina: But then we realize at the tell end that Charlie never realized it was Julia.

Salina: She was like, you know, who she reminds me of or whatever she says.

Nikki: Poor Charlene.

Salina: Is there anything that you didn't like about this episode?

Nikki: The Julia singing.

Salina: I just don't like it.

Nikki: It's so sensual, and it makes me feel so.

Salina: Oh, I thought you were going to say makes me feel things.

Salina: Well, you just feel things, Nikki.

Salina: You just feel them.

Salina: But it's just discomfort.

Nikki: It's general discomfort.

Nikki: She had that weird whistling a few episodes back where Anthony was dreaming about her.

Nikki: And to go from that, which is what he was dreaming about her in sort of a sensual way, to this, where she is actually sensual, I'm like, poor Anthony.

Nikki: He must be so confused.

Salina: Do you think that you will have a recurring dream about sensual nightmare?

Nikki: Laying on a piano going, oh, sweet.

Salina: Mystery of life, or not even that.

Salina: She'll just be, like, sexually whistling at you.

Nikki: She's like, fun fact.

Nikki: Can't whistle.

Salina: She'll start whistling.

Salina: Whistle while you twerk.

Salina: Please don't.

Nikki: Please don't, Julia.

Salina: That might be a fun matchup.

Salina: I don't know.

Salina: What did you not like about this one?

Nikki: Julia singing.

Salina: Oh, yeah.

Salina: What if I just started from the beginning?

Salina: I got so lost in other conversation, I forgot we were talking about dislikes.

Nikki: What did you not like in this episode, Salina?

Salina: Well, I was really liking this rendition of her singing whistle while you twerk.

Salina: And so I just forgot.

Salina: And also, where are we?

Salina: I think I'm where you were with the last string of episodes when we met and recorded.

Salina: They're fine.

Nikki: They're fine.

Salina: And this is fine.

Salina: The one with the laundry bully.

Salina: Fine.

Salina: Missing pearls.

Salina: Fine.

Salina: The most glaring thing I see is we have a Suzanne problem.

Salina: I've said it before.

Salina: I'll probably say it again.

Salina: It's almost impossible right now for me to not see the seams of the show, to see it trying to work around Delta and to see them figure out how to fill the time that we're no longer getting with Suzanne.

Salina: Which reminds me, as we were bouncing down through and we went to stray observations, I bounced right into sidebar and I forgot my Suzanne watch.

Nikki: I was wondering if you had one.

Salina: Well, I just feel like everyone's clamoring for it now.

Nikki: Those who are in the dms about pride prize getting all pushed out by the people clamoring for Salina.

Nikki: Suzanne watch.

Nikki: Suzanne sightings.

Salina: So it just seemed to me in this one that Dixie and Delta have the least amount of screen time lately.

Salina: And if I am not just reading that into the situation, and I may be because that's sort of what the segment is about what I will say is that that would probably make sense because I think at this point, they were probably the most upset with each other, at least based on what I've read.

Salina: And I think things had really fallen apart between them by this point.

Salina: It's hard to not, again, overread into these plots, but they had that whole thing about her taking breakfast bars out of neighborhood mailboxes opening.

Salina: You know, in my mind, it's like the show's perspective is saying Delta is now doing what she wants, no matter what the consequence and everyone else be.

Salina: And, like, there's some things that it does feel like a Suzanne that we used to know, but also we're seeing Suzanne less and less, and so it just doesn't feel the same.

Salina: Like, oh, Suzanne.

Salina: It's just starting to lose a little bit of that shine, especially as we continue to sit on the opposite side of the couch from her and know she's fading into the so.

Salina: And that is just my total standout so far.

Salina: But I will keep an eye out.

Salina: No one will stop vigilant.

Salina: No one will stop me from watching for Suzanne.

Salina: I'm going to have to work on this one.

Salina: I've got a ham motion, y'all.

Nikki: It's got, like, goggles or something.

Salina: The detective work over here.

Salina: Just really Suzanne spyglass watching the show, and no one can stop me.

Salina: No one.

Salina: Would you like to rate this one, Nikki?

Nikki: I would.

Nikki: Gold lemay pants.

Salina: Gosh darn it, Nikki.

Salina: That's two in a row.

Salina: When our opinions are exactly the same.

Salina: Is that when we quit?

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: And how many gold Lemay pants are we talking about here?

Nikki: I give it a four out of five.

Salina: Hold on.

Salina: Did you also say secret gold?

Nikki: No, I did not.

Nikki: Yours is funnier.

Nikki: I'll give you that.

Nikki: Yours is funny.

Salina: I don't know about that, but if we have both said, I would just turn this mic off now.

Salina: Keep going.

Salina: I'll be quiet.

Salina: I gave her pants.

Nikki: I gave it a four out of five gold Lemay pants.

Nikki: Secret gold Lemay pants.

Nikki: That scene at the piano bar just went on a smidgen too long for me.

Nikki: Lost a whole point on that one.

Salina: I gave it three out of five secret gold Lemay pants.

Salina: I won't rehash more than to say, while this one has some fun bits, it was a little meh for me.

Salina: On the whole.

Salina: I did like being able to imagine living another life.

Nikki: Yeah, that's kind of sad, too.

Salina: But what are you going to do?

Salina: 90s things.

Nikki: Don't have anything.

Nikki: Probably should have the VCR here.

Salina: Oh, that's a good one.

Salina: Just came up with it just right off the bat.

Salina: Can't hold a good gal down.

Salina: So I had the best of Jackie Collins book display, one life to live reference by Charlene.

Salina: And this is her mentioning people who have developed a split personality, which also kind of feels like a dated reference.

Salina: Like that was a thing that was like either part of a tv show or like the turn in a movie.

Salina: It's really that they have a split personality and that's why they murdered the whole family or whatever.

Salina: Smoking inside the club.

Salina: That's pretty 90s.

Salina: Kim Basinger.

Salina: Basinger.

Salina: Basinger.

Nikki: You'll get there.

Salina: Which one is it?

Nikki: I say Kim Basinger.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: I feel like every time I hear it, someone say, does it differently and so it leaves me in this whirlwind.

Nikki: Well, that's why I said, you'll land on it eventually.

Salina: Well, just one of them is probably right.

Salina: I just call her Kim.

Nikki: That's what I call her.

Salina: But this does feel like a critical decade in her career.

Salina: She had just come off Batman at this time.

Salina: She goes on to do La confidential in the think she counts as a southern reference, which I'm going to go ahead and just go straight into my southern references and say that she was born in Athens, Georgia.

Salina: That's why I just call her Kim.

Salina: I don't have to really worry about the last name.

Salina: In 1989, she and other investors bought 1751 acres of Brazleton, Georgia.

Salina: That is out of their 2000 privately owned acres for $20 million, intending to turn it into a tourist destination.

Salina: In 1995, facing personal bankruptcy, she and her partner sold the land for 4.3 million.

Salina: And Nikki looks at me as if she doesn't know this.

Nikki: That's like a lot of money.

Salina: Yeah, but you knew about the land, right?

Nikki: Maybe somewhere in the recesses of my.

Salina: Brain that was like a big deal, I think, for Georgians and then just like a star of that.

Salina: And you have to remember this is like pre Atlanta being like another Hollywood.

Salina: There weren't famous people coming to Georgia in the.

Salina: So someone of that caliber coming here was a huge deal.

Salina: But when I was looking it up because I wanted to make sure I had the specifics right, because it's not like in 89, I was like, I wonder what the news is today.

Salina: So I was looking up because I didn't want to just be like ad hoc, saying things wrong.

Salina: That's what I do on the rest of the show, but not in references, never references.

Salina: And when I looked this up, there were a lot of stories at that time, too, of people who were just kind of like, seemed like they were in a little bit of limbo because they never really went through with the things that they were going to do.

Salina: Kind of let reb more like a sad story.

Nikki: Thanks for sharing it.

Salina: That's my job.

Salina: I don't even pay for that.

Salina: I just do that community service.

Salina: I didn't have any references that we need to talk about.

Salina: Did you have southern references?

Salina: No.

Nikki: Okay, I have one reference we need to talk about.

Salina: Tell me.

Nikki: Mary Jo said about Julia after she described her deserted island fantasy.

Nikki: She said something like, you must be feeling your oats or something.

Nikki: Do you know what feeling your oats means?

Salina: Well, I know what sewing them means.

Nikki: No, not the same.

Salina: Yeah, so I want to say no before I go there.

Salina: Are the oats related?

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: But not those oats.

Nikki: Different oats.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Just tell me.

Nikki: Apparently it means energized or emboldened.

Nikki: I think the origin has something to do with horses.

Nikki: Like when they had a belly full of oats, they were frisky and fun.

Nikki: Apparently.

Nikki: It is a very popular phrase today in the LGBTQ plus community.

Nikki: It's a drag race season one reference that took on a life of its own within the community.

Nikki: So you might hear it from time to time.

Salina: Well, there you go.

Nikki: There you go.

Nikki: Now you know.

Salina: Well, I hope to fill my oats soon.

Nikki: It'll happen.

Nikki: You just have to eat some oats first.

Salina: I do like oat, Bill.

Nikki: I do.

Salina: It's because I'm a fun gal.

Nikki: All right, well, you ready for season five, episode 16?

Nikki: Probably the Emperor's new nose.

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Nikki: And you can support the show by telling your friends and family about us or rating and reviewing the podcast wherever you listen.

Nikki: Or you can visit the website to find other ways on the support us page for supporting us and then come back Thursday for our extra sugar, where we're going to talk about double lives.

Salina: Yeah, a bit of a potpourri chat, if you will.

Salina: Potpourri talk about some doppelgangers.

Salina: Doppelgangers.

Nikki: That's how I want to say that word.

Salina: It sounds nice.

Nikki: It sounds nice.

Salina: Say it.

Salina: And you know what that means.

Nikki: What does it mean, Salina?

Salina: It means we'll see you around the bend.

Salina: Bye.

Salina: Or will we?


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