We just had to give the series finale the old Sweet Tea & TV treatment. You know, break the WHOLE thing down – reactions, likes, dislikes, and allll the references.
Join us as we give this fever dream, two-parter the send off it deserves – and frankly, we’ve all earned together these last four years.
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Transcript
Welcome to Sweet Tea and tv, where I'm winging it
Hey, Nikki.
Hey, Salina.
Hey, y'all. And welcome to Sweet Tea and tv, where I realized I wasn't really actually sure who's leading this one. Technically, I guess it's both of us. Huh?
It's both of us. I have your name next to the intro and me next to the recap.
I'm winging it. I'm winging it. Let's see how I do. Welcome. Hey. To season seven. Extra sugar. Number one first. Extra sugar. How am I doing so far?
Great. Fantastic.
This week, we spend the entire episode talking about the series finale
So what we're doing today is we are returning to the days of yore. Go back with me, if you will, to the year. It's 2022. We're in Lawrenceville, sitting there crying over audio that's not working. real tears shed, but also laughter. Tinkling. Laughter. Tinkling, twinkling.
Mostly tears.
Let's twinkle. Let's not tinkle and talk long enough.
I'm going to have to.
And then you can use. This is. I'm like holding my fingers really tightly because I'm trying to be off the cuff. and also at this time, we had a different setup, a different run of show, if you will. Maybe one will say that. Where we analyzed every moment of the show. We took it scene by scene. We're not going to do that, though. What we are going to do, though, is spend this entire episode talking about the series finale. You want to know why we're doing that? Because. Why? Because that needs to be talked about.
It does.
We need to give it some, attention. I don't know it's going to be good attention, but it will be attention. And it will also. We. You left us on Monday at the end of the. Our episode. We talked a little bit about how some listeners have reached out and asked for a little bit more in depth knowledge, reaction, thoughts. I don't know. We can bring knowledge, but we can bring something.
We bring thoughts and reactions.
Yeah.
And opinions.
So with all of that in mind, hopefully I said, anything that was coherent. Would you like to jump into what we were offered by the. The season finale? Series finale. Excuse me.
It's so hard. Yeah, you can say both. It's season and series.
Designing Women Online revisits Gone with the Wind episode from 1993
so the Designing Women Online Salina mashup of this episode, gone with the whim is Buckle up for a two parter, y'all. That begins with Sugar Bakers in bad financial shape. Classic Sugar Bakers. BJ gets them a job redecorating a house once purposely made to replicate the antebellum Tara Mansion in Gone with the Wind. But the clients aren't just awful. They're trying to take over Poteet Industries and Sugar Bakers. Sh. And, Awe. So what can our gals and Anthony do? Spend the last 30 minutes taking turns in a fever dream where each one of them gets their turn as Scarlett O'Hara. Again, classic. The air date on this one was May 24, 1993. And we're gonna call it. Frankly, My Dear, It's Over. It was. Part one was written by David Steinberg, Robert Horn, and Daniel Margosis. Part 2 was written by Emily Levine, Daniel Margosis and Robert Horn. It was directed by David steinberg. I have two pieces of trivia. thanks to IMDb, the house featured looks more like the home of the Wilkes family, Twelve Oaks, rather than Tara. Since Twelve Oaks is the one with the magnificent staircase, I don't know if this.
Right on.
Okay. It's been like a lifetime ago since I actually saw Gone with the Wind, so I would not know that enough to know that.
Hot moment.
Just so long.
It's long. Four hours.
Anything that's two VHS's, I'm probably not gonna. Which is what I remember about Gone with the Wind.
Probably not gonna watch that through your age out there.
and then in the very opening sequence, you can super clearly see a boom mic in the shot, which that sort of stuff I just love. I did confirm that.
Oh, totally. Love, love, love.
We will kick off with our top three general reactions, slash stray observations
So I will kick us off with our top three general reactions, slash stray observations. And by I will kick us off, I mean I will. Do you have something you want to share?
The best kickoff.
The best kickoff is punting to you.
Well, I'm gonna do. We're returning to the days of yore. And days of yore means me having a whole intro before I even get to something. So I got one.
Here we go.
But my. Before we're getting to the first reaction, I actually owe an errata. Nope. Is that right?
No, errata would be plural. Erratom Aradam.
Thank you. Oh, good. I was like. Did I just say. I'm like, what just happened?
Oh, what's gonna happen here?
I've only got one errata.
Designing Women's season finale left on a cliffhanger, but it's not
Anyways, I wanted to give one one for something I said last season. So looking at IMDb, I thought we got a cliffhanger ending. And at some point I said that happened and we don't. As much as I've watched Designing Women, I don't think I had ever seen the finale until I've never seen this. Yeah. So I admit that I am Woefully ignorant of its ending. That is, until now, anyway. So I had said it was left on a cliffhanger, but it's really not. It's actually like an okay end. We get some sense of place.
They do. They do resolve the major challenge they were having through the episode.
Right. But now that you also revealed in the. In our, season opener, the fact that they didn't really know or just the cast didn't know?
The cast didn't know.
Okay, then that's fine.
Then it's like, well, I don't know if the writers knew.
So then you think about the writers. So let's just play that out real quickly.
Let's do it.
If they knew or. Yeah, if they knew.
If you knew. I knew that they knew.
Salina, if you knew anything right now, you wouldn't shut up. but no, if they didn't know and they ended it and tied it up in a neat bow, then they don't get cliffhangers.
So we're still back at square one at, like, weird decision. Anyways.
LBT and Pam Norris weren't involved in this season's finale
All that to say, my first general reaction is that I think it's awfully strange that LBT and Pam Norris weren't involved in this finale.
I'll definitely give you that. Definitely agree with that.
So I don't. I've already talked about how you can.
Feel like they deserve a chance to at least close it out.
Right. And especially. And I. I just get the sense that, probably LBT is someone who grew up watching Gone with the Wind, and we know she likes classic film and everything. And so for her to not have her stamp on this, that just feels weird. I wonder if somewhere, how somewhere somehow in the background she was involved, maybe there. It maybe just doesn't take the writer's credit. I'm pretty sure I even read an interview with her where she talked about the fact that, she would sometimes wind up coming in and rewriting things and still give people the writing credit.
I can't decide how I feel about that.
There's a lot there's. You could take that many ways. Lbt, come on the show, come talk to us. It's all I want.
It's nearly time for her to come talk to us because we are nearly done here. We can't drag this out much longer. Lbt, let's get it on the calendar.
What about you?
you know, I had two general reactions. Basically, it just seems fitting that we're going out on financial troubles for sugar bakers. Like it. It I said this in the episode one, it just fits. It just fits. That's the overwhelming tension. This entire series is that mismanaged business or something. But they never have money and then sometimes they do. So it felt like to the point you were just making some sense of completionism. and then my other general reaction was, and I said this again also in the first episode. It was just high camp. I, feel like it fit in well with the season in terms of the over the topness, the extra ness. Also fitting that we had a Fever Dream episode because I feel like we get one of those every few seasons. They never land quite the way we want them to. But it's a Designing Women age old thing that happens. so it definitely fit well with the season. It just didn't feel like the thing I wanted this entire journey to end on. And that's as I was watching the episode, that's all I could keep thinking.
So I think my, I'm just going to tack in because your reaction is one of mine. And I, I did like that. On the bright side, they gave fans some satisfaction of just knowing that our ladies and Anthony would continue on, you know, so I thought that aspect was nice. Otherwise though, I, I, it's the same thing. I was like, oh, well, there is some. Is if you like it to be circular.
Yeah.
Here we are on that other side of the circle.
Yeah.
What about your final reaction?
Or that was it.
Oh, okay.
That's all for me.
I don't, I don't know why I keep thinking everything's in threes right now.
Because it's supposed to be. I just don't always have three.
Totally. understand that. I think again, you've already the daydreaming thing. Right. So for, for me, what really stood out was this idea that, yes, it's something that's been used, but LBT would usually do it in like a mid season slump. Not at a pivotal point in the season or in this case a pivotal point in the series. So because of that decision of. The last moments we have with the cast are really just them rehashing the same scenario six different times with a.
Little bit of their own spin on it. But also why. Oh yeah, I was gonna say circular just kept, circling the drain on this one particular topic.
Yeah, we did that.
We did, did a lot of that.
There were a lot of cut lines in this episode
I had one stray I wanted to mention, which is that there were a lot of cut lines in this episode and I think that many of them were cut because I imagine because they were very Racial in nature, because they revolved around Anthony in this role that he played. I think that, I said this in the first episode that I think they, made him very self aware and made him sort of like the conscience for the cast, which I think was a very smart choice for Anthony's character. I think it's unfortunate he had to do that with this particular group of people because I thought they knew each other that well that they would know that Anthony wouldn't quite feel the same way in Tara or Twelve Oaks that they do. But he got to play that part. so I appreciated that. But I think watching it now, it is a little bit cringy because it's almost a little too on the nose. Like it feels like in society today some of the things they were saying are almost a little uncomfortable. but Bernice in particular had a couple of things that, when you put the things that she says as Bernice in the late 80s and early 90s, next to Bernice dressed like a woman from the Civil War, it gets a little uncomfortable. But I do think also they cut some lines that made it feel a little more comfortable because she said some really off color things where you're like, where is this going? Like, why is she saying that? Or why is she treating him that way? But there was one at the, during Julius turns, I think it was at the beginning as Scarlet, Anthony delivers the cheese. And this part was cut. I'll have some mandingo and I'll meet you down at the stables in two hours. Widow Clifton, I've done told you a thousand times, Pappy, don't play that. I'll give you the Confederate bonds and your freedom. I'll pass. And then she starts singing, black man, black man, where did you go to? And it just drew the through line between the other come ons that she had been giving him through the episode. Because without that, you never actually have her like offering herself to him. And I just felt like that was such a shame because she made all these off color inappropriate advances him to him through the episode. But you don't really know why. We've had this like, attraction on Bernice's side to Anthony throughout this season. So it kind of makes sense. But it just felt like a really big gap in the episode. And when I looked back at the script, I was like, oh, her character feels like it would have landed better with that.
Oh, interesting.
Kiki wanted to take out the stairs and put in an escalator
Okay. I also had a stray. Just one. Just the one, which is Kiki wanted to take out the stairs and put in an escalator. That's just stupid. Why wouldn't you put in an elevator and keep the stairs? Like, I can understand, like, not wanting to get things up a staircase, but, like, it's just. Just make it make sense.
Kiki wanted everything super modern. I guess she wanted the visual of a staircase. Shopping mall. High tech. Yeah. I don't know.
A, lot of weird decisions.
Weird decisions.
Anthony, Bernice and Craig were the saving grace of this episode
How about some things that we liked about this episode?
So for as hard as I've been on this episode, I have several likes, way more than three. I'll make up my time saved on the other things with, what I liked.
Okay.
Patrick Warburton. I already said it. He is just a delight. I loved having him pop up here again just for the sheer delightfulness of it. I have thoughts about that, but just him in general brings color and lights. I loved the. Again, talked about the self awareness from Anthony, but I really love this line. As far as I'm concerned, that movie was about a bunch of rich snobs who lose everything and still cannot get along without three black people to help them into their underwear. Perfection. Right?
It's in my likes, as well.
and then Julia had a couple moments I liked when she slid down the banister.
Yep.
That was glorious.
Yep.
And I also liked that we got a Julia Stahl rant when she was in the form of Scarlet, against, Rhett and telling him she's not his little woman. I appreciated that.
So I was on the track of Craig. I just think, like, Anthony, Bernice and Craig, for me, saved this episode. They were its only saving grace, I think. And I think the show knew it too, which is why we get Bernice's fantasy dead last with Anthony, like, as a republic and sweeping her up the staircase. For me, that was Chef's, freaking kiss. Like, that's how I would have taken this one out as well if this was the decision that was going to be made in all of this weirdness. So it's like the show knew that those are the two best characters, you know, I also liked how, the show or the episode rather flips Gone with the Wind on its head.
Etienne: I appreciated the updated perspective on Southern Pride
So you mentioned the Anthony thing. Etienne, when she takes her turn as Scarlet and flips it and slaps the crap out of Carlene, who winds up, who is playing a prissy type, you know, prissy, who does not know how to birth babies. which is probably one of the harder parts of the entire movie, of the original movie to watch, to see them flip that around, I actually thought was pretty genius. And, I, can't think of a more earned, slap than that one. Except for poor Carlene.
I guess she needed to be taken down a notch, though. She had ratcheted up a little bit. A little bit. She had a short circuited. She needed a reset.
I feel like I short circuit sometimes. Are you ready to, play that out on me and smack me around?
Is it time?
I, I do also just want to say that you already said it, but Julia sliding down that banister was literally everything. And then my last like is, everyone keeps calling Kiki the wrong name. Cuckoo, cocky. And then right on cue, Craig walks in and calls her khaki. I don't even know where any. And he's, like, not even trying. They're all being rude, and he's just dumb. It's just like, Kaki.
And it, like, didn't bother her when he said it, because for the whole episode, she let it get away with everything. You. But with more stuffing. He was delightful. That was one of my likes, too. 100. I also appreciated BJ's updated perspective on Southern Pride, combined, with Anthony's reality check on how Gone with the Wind isn't the greatest touchstone. So BJ says, for crying out loud, Julia, wake up and smell the magnolias. It's the 90s. Forget about gone with the Wind. You want Southern Pride? Don't we have Ann Richards? Don't we have Rosalynn Carter? Rest in peace. And, then Bernice throws in, don't we have Jimmy Dean sausages? Like, there's plenty for us to appreciate that doesn't have to be antebellum South. and then Anthony says, that's just fine for you, Julia, but in the old south, you would be sacheting around this ballroom, eating good food, and wearing beautiful clothes. Me, I'd be toting that barge and lifting that bale with my roommate, Kunta Kinte. so I appre. I appreciate it, to your point. sort of turning the, movie on its head, but also the whole concept, really calling it for what it is. I liked. and then the last like I had was Julia's physical comedy. So coming down the banister, but also at the end, when she comes in ranting about the house and found Kiki working at her desk, she takes this very slow walk back, processing what she's just seen. When she finally turns and sees it's Kiki at her desk. That was so delightful. And why didn't we get More physical humor from her throughout this series because it was so understated but so beautiful. She just does the slow walk back, back. Like wait a minute. Things are processing for me, you know.
And I think like maybe that's some of her cabaret coming out. Like it's all so. I don't know. It's the same way with her voice is very melodic and she's just, she's just a performer.
It's all very artistic and intentional. So that was, that was my last.
I didn't enjoy Mary Jo and Julia's friendship this season
Like you want to move to things we didn't like that we haven't already talked about.
I think we've probably covered most of these. But Which is why I won't mention for the millionth time, Just kidding, I will. But please, please, please, no fever dreams, no random musicals, no daydream episodes. Just stop it, stop it, stop it. If you, if you're having to cover that kind of ground because you have that many episodes, you have too many episodes.
You know, I like you hear that CBS people.
Just go do your creativity somewhere else also. I guess I could take myself somewhere else. For the person that's like this person is an a hole. Yes, I am. I'm sorry. I. Hm. Yeah, I mean this is other stuff we've talked about. I, I'm just gonna say just tacking on to the whole antebellum thing. I, I just a point that I have been thinking about watching this one. Even if they're. Maybe they did it to try and set up the punch of his jokes and the different things that they did again to do that counter balancing. But this is like a real thing. And I just want to say for the record, I just don't think we can set aside the enslavement of an entire race because there were some like nice dresses and stuff. You m. Know, call me a stickler. Call me one. Call me one.
Nikki. I wouldn't dare because I'm scared of you.
You have a very scary face for someone who is five feet tall. So Mary Jo and Julia at it again. That watering halt hole just dried up for me a long time ago and I just didn't enjoy it. And it also just kind of made me sad. I don't want to see characters I like fighting.
You know, I think at some point and now that I'm on the spot, I'm going to have trouble remembering it. But at some point they came toe to toe and it was almost validating because it was the completion of Mary Jo's character arc where she started Very timid. Never would push back on anyone, much less Julia. And then she came around and at some point. Point held her ground. I think it was season six, but in one of the episodes she sort of held her ground. that felt validating and like completionist in some way. This season it felt like to no end. Like there was nothing we were working toward. Right.
Just circular.
It's just circular. And for no reason. Because there were plenty of other potential sources of tension that could have taken place that didn't need to be. Like, why wasn't bj? I understand they learned a lesson with Allison in making her wholly unlikable, but why wasn't there more tension built up with bj? You said earlier maybe they were setting her and Julia up as foils, but they moved away from that. That might have felt more rewarding than watching these two old friends rehash what feels like issues that should have been set aside a long time ago. Like Mary Jo's role in the business or, Julia is. Can be obnoxious and not give you space to have an opinion. Those feel like things that should have been resolved a long time ago and. Or this friendship maybe just isn't healthy for either one of you anymore.
You know what I mean? And that's sad.
Yeah.
You know, because it's like you kind of. And that happens with friendships sometimes. And I don't like to see that happen.
It's not. It's not a good time. Certainly not for the last season of a show.
Right. I did have one more dislike, which is like, where was Carlene's fantasy?
What she only got to be in at the end. I just think she got to be high strung in all of them. Right.
That's just like more part and parcel to this idea that, like, what. What did she do wrong? She was the best thing that got brought into season six. And they were like, you know what we're gonna do? We're gonna stick her in a closet somewhere.
I would love to know the behind the scenes on that. I didn't come across anything in my research for this season, but there was definitely a specific choice made to downplay her this season.
Totally.
I had a couple of things I didn't like about Tara's mansion
I had just a couple of things I wanted to mention that I didn't like. And I don't know if it's so much it didn't like. I want to get your take on this. So first of all, did Julia, miss the fact that this mansion was a recreation of Tara, not an original piece of Atlanta history that needed to be Preserved.
Oh, that's really fair point.
I was just like, this isn't even real. They built it in 1972. What are you so worked up about? That's so crazy.
Yeah, that's a great point.
I feel like it would have been much better if they'd actually chosen an old house. Not all so weird.
Why not Anthony instead of Patrick Warburton as Rhett
and then Patrick Warburton as Rhett. So again, think he's delightful. Love. He was in this season multiple times. Certainly ending the series with him was great. But why would you pick him as a huge character in this story that we've talked about over and over again throughout this series, and it's a huge touchstone in Southern history. Pick Patrick Warburton, the random guy Mary Jo dated for halfway half of the season or whatever.
Instead of Anthony.
Instead of Anthony. That's a good point. Instead of. Ah. I was thinking one of the old boyfriends would come back.
I was thinking, why not Anthony?
Why not Anthony? That's a good point. I think I had in my head. Because he had that final Rhett with. It's a good point.
I mean that it's possible.
Why not Anthony?
Why not Anthony?
Add it to the justice for Anthony list.
So I think, okay, there's a couple of reasons it could be.
one is that because they were like me, like, oh, yeah, why not Anthony?
Maybe. I guess it would be weird to see him in like this romantic situation over and over again when we know that he's supposed to be with atn, you know.
Oh, so I thought you were gonna say Bernice and Bernice.
he's got both ladies. but so, like, there's that part of it, I think, to your point, like how I think you were close to making this point that did not come out how I meant for it to your mind was processing. Let me shut up before I just make it sound worse than you.
I'm gonna save that and play that.
Back for myself once.
Sometimes that's the face you're giving me is I feel like you're getting close to a point and if I just hang on long enough, we'll get there.
Give it. So don't you worry. But how are we supposed to do those counterbalancing later on remarks and kind of poke fun at. I mean, I don't know that that's a watering well. You want to go to a lot like slavery, but like, Anthony is the one from the cast who can do that. So I can see it from that point as well. But I just. As you were talking, I was Like. Like, Anthony. We just brought in this random guy who shows up this season who's delightful.
I can't say that enough.
Hey, he's. He's good looking. Let's just bring him in.
Yeah, he's tall.
That's the only requirements. Right?
Right. So it was just so weird. We've had this, like, on and off with various men throughout the season, throughout the series. And to go to this guy was strange, but he was there, I guess. And I guess if they were just thinking about what. What was top of mind.
Yeah, I was surprised to see him in the finale. I was like, oh, we're bringing him.
And in a big role.
Right?
I mean, he had, like, lots of lines.
I actually had, like, a passing thought. I was like, is he dating someone? You know?
Oh, I looked into him. I ended up down a rabbit hole. He's been married a really long time.
Oh, I thought you were gonna say, like, a lot of times.
No, I think just to one person. And I want to say it was the early 90s when he got married, but I. I don't remember that right off the top of my head. So. Yeah. Patrick M. Warburton.
It's like, you wanted to do a sidebar, didn't you?
I love him so much.
I didn't remember you saying that it ended on a cliffhanger
and then my last. And this is a true. Didn't, like, is just the overwhelming feeling I had through the entire episode of this. This is the finale. I, don't think I. I'm gonna be honest. I didn't remember you saying that it ended on a cliffhanger. I remember it ending. I remember the discussion being. It ended in an unsatisfactory way.
I wasn't worried about you being. Who might eventually reach out to me and tell me how I was wrong.
It wasn't going to be me. You were safe. You're safe in my house, not safe.
Which is why I decided to add something to the top so I could also be like, please see my eroticism.
Oh, no. That's it.
You ready?
Bye.
We're done.
You ready to rate this sucker? I will have you know I'm back on track
All right. You ready to rate this sucker?
I will have you know I'm back on track with the rating scale I gave it out of five. and my.
Wait, it's even better. Did you have it out of 10 for this one?
No. no, it was out of five. I just messed up on the first one. I don't know.
10, five, whatever. Why did I choose five?
You know, why didn't I ask that all the time? Why? Why? Salina, you want to make an erotic right now?
As Long as we're not making an erotic. Because I'm gonna have to be paid for that. The freebies are off the table and.
I'm in my thrifty, era, so I can't pay for much. So let's keep it off the table for now. Let's keep this professional.
Designing Women's series finale is deeply unsatisfying on second watch
Okay, so my rating scale is Barbie's Terra Dream Houses.
Okay.
I gave it a wow. Which feels really generous at this point. 3.5 out of 5m.
You don't say.
it was just impossible to get beyond the fact that this was the series finale. It was an okay episode for everything I've said. I honestly think so many of my criticisms are colored by the fact that it's the series finale and it's just so deeply unsatisfying on second watch. I did appreciate the high campness of it. I appreciated the silliness of it. I did appreciate that they finally gave us a little Gone with the Wind flavor after having laid the groundwork for so long. I appreciated that they presented both sides of that situation and the complicated history of that movie and the way different people take it. I appreciated all that. That said, it's just so hard to get past. This is not series finale worthy.
Yeah, I. Series finales are tough. You can't please everyone and if you try, you please no one.
That's true.
So.
And I mean, they pleased, not me. I can say that I, you know.
Have a ton of shows that I loved and hated the series finale M. And there's just very few. I have very few in their tops, Parenthood, the Office. But by and large it's. They're usually disaster zones. I think people almost want them to be disaster zones just so they can talk about it. so I also gave it a 3.5 out of 5, which is why you caught me looking at you that way.
I figured. But I put the pieces together. You could see the point coming together in my head. I landed the plane eventually, so I.
Gave it three and a half out of five, hostile takeovers. And just going back to that point of like how series finales are hard. Designing Women in particular, already in a tough spot. First they lose Delta, then they lose Gene. Two, back to back casting reshuffles. I don't know anyone gets out of that unscathed. We've talked about series, finales before, so I, I don't, I don't think we have to revisit that too in depthly. But while I don't think that this was perfectly successful. There were some really funny moments. And so that's probably where also I'm looking at this as a pretty high score.
M. Right.
I think that they deserve some credit for that.
Give him some credit.
Did you have a favorite, Scarlet? Oh, you know what
Can I ask, did you have a favorite, Scarlet?
Oh, you know what? I don't. I, think I liked a little something that everyone brought to the table.
Yeah. That's fair.
I like that. BJ for me was more of like this feminist Scarlet. I actually thought I was expecting Dixie to be a little bit more like that. Used her real name. There'd be more like that. I don't think I, I. Mary Jo's was very, almost like a Scarlet. Like, just very interested in Rhett.
Yeah. It's just like, really?
I was like, are they dating? You know, what's happening here? And I think that the most satisfying one would be Etienne.
I thought I was gonna jump in for you and say it, but every.
Time I'm just gonna say Auntie M. Etienne. But I don't think I'm learning my lesson if I have to say both.
Well, right. That's true. was it the most satisfying because of the slap? You just really want to slap somebody.
Just the turn. Just the term.
Just the term.
I think it's not getting to spend some time with Cheryl.
Yeah.
Because she also left us for a little bit there.
Oh. Like M. Yeah.
I think it's because she was already doing something else.
Seems right. I agree. I think Cheryl Lee Ralph's was my favorite.
Yeah.
It was the briefest. It was very short. That's also compared to the other ones. Yeah. We spent a lot of time with Julia and Mary Jo. And to your point, it was the same three minutes.
Actually, now that we're talking about this, hers might have been the most dead on Scarlet. Because she was really like, like Scarlet's very hottie. haughty. I'll never get this word right. What a hottie.
You know what I'm saying?
Well, that too. She was a hott.
Hotties. Okay. So hottie. There's no good way to say that word. It's easier to read it.
Very hottie. She was good.
Nikki: We definitely used dated references in this episode
So do we want to jump back into references for the first time in a long time?
Yeah. I feel like mine's going to be not satisfying.
Is that why we took it out?
Yeah, probably. Carlene mentioned pac man after Mr. Kearney. Physician.
I played pac man in the 90s. I don't think it came out in the 90s.
No, it definitely didn't. At some point, we had called this 90s or dated references. And so we definitely did.
We did. That.
Did. Yeah. No, I watched the episode and I just kept trying to think of references because you don't think about it that way anymore.
Tell you what, Nikki. I was either finding them in my notes or I wasn't going back.
Never again. Frankly, my dear, never watching that again.
It's not gonna happen. is that okay? I had Sprint. Bernice quotes her late husband. Without friends, you don't need Sprint.
That's true.
There you go. That is truer words, wisdom.
never have been spoken.
Kiki's decor style very well.
Sure.
And the show's already told us they're not into that. You know, that's not Southern style.
Yeah.
Where's the paisley? You know what I'm saying? Which could also go on a shirt next to the Sprint shirt. Where's the paisley? That's how it would be said. Does that sound nice and Southern? speaking of Southern.
We digress.
Sorry. Did you like that wheezing? I'm just slowly turning into my grandma. Go on Southern thing.
I mean, Gone with the Wind.
I'm not gonna laugh anymore. Work. So I'll stop wheezing. Yes. Gone with the Wind.
Obviously there was also a Battle of Appomattox reference, which I feel like is a little bit of a Civil War deep cut. So that was amidst the infighting after Julia's daydream about Gone with the Wind. straight from Wikipedia, because.
Oh, wait, hold on. Let's see.
Seventh grade civics.
Okay, let's see if I can get it. It was either the beginning of the war or the end of the war.
It was either.
So it is one of them.
It is one of the two.
Shoot. I wanted to say the end.
You would be correct. It was the final engagement of Confederate general in chief Robert E. Lee and his army of Northern Virginia before they surrendered to the Union army of the Potomac under the commanding general of the United States Army, Ulysses S. Grant.
But that was going to be my longer version if you let me get to it.
Oh, I know. I needed to say something because I did the research, so I needed to be the one to say something. You had already stolen the fact from me.
M. How my Georgia history. That was paying off.
That's what was. I was like somewhere in like seventh grade civics. It's in there. I know.
Fourth grade, eighth grade. I don't know what they do now in the present times, but in the before times, you had to take it in fourth and eighth grade.
So it's very confusing to me because I was in North Carolina in fourth grade and then in Georgia in eighth grade. So I know, like, this much about North Carolina history and this much about Georgia history.
That's lovely that you know.
I don't.
I don't know. All I know is y'all in the south, they spend a lot of time on the Civil War. That's what you need to know.
It's kind of our thing, which is what we're known for.
It's a real loser's mentality.
History repeats itself if you do not.
Ann Richards was the 45th governor of Texas
Can't stop talking about the one who cut away. We only make light because this is where we live.
We're stuck here. I don't know what to do about it.
the, making of an exact replica of Tara. I just want to say that sounds like something that would have happened, and even then.
Fair enough.
And then I'll allow it. you mentioned this earlier, but we get Ann Richards and Rosalynn Carter, and I just want to say, for the record, that I did not know who Ann Richards was. Did you?
no. I Googled her, and now I've forgotten.
Okay, perfect. I've got this one written down. Perfect.
She's like a Texas lady.
Yes. 45th governor of Texas. 91 to 95. She reformed the Texas prison system, established a substance abuse program for inmates, reduced the number of violent offenders released, and increased prison space to deal with a growing prison population. Now, the one thing I'm going to say that got lost in the sauce there, it's like, maybe we should be addressing why the population.
I was gonna say, what's Texas's deal?
I mean, let me say, what is Texas? I'm kidding. Kidding. I'm kidding.
Yeah, that seems like a lot of focus on incarceration.
Don't. I also want to say, dad, if you ever get to this reference, I want you to see how they called this. Oh, no, I called it a Southern. no, no, they said Southern. Whatever. Something Southern icons, right?
Yeah, they did. Yeah, they definitely.
And Richards from Texas. The South, Southern. I have the microphone right now. End of debate. Except for every person in Texas who wants to strangle me right now.
They are their own country.
Any. Anyone. That's what they would say. So you know what? I really don't care. Why do I keep fighting that fight? You be whoever you want to be. Be part of the South. Don't be part of the South. I just live here and I'm in Atlanta, so most people don't even consider that part of the south either. I digress.
Did you have other Southern references? I did not. And I almost slapped you. It almost happened. Get me back in line. Okay.
Did you have other Southern references?
I did not.
Okay. Did you see me just break?
I did.
Okay.
And I almost slapped you. It almost happened. It was close. My hand was coming, and I just kept pushing it down.
Get me back in line.
Are we ready for references we need to talk about? Can I talk about that
Are we ready for references we need to talk about? Can I talk about that?
Yeah.
Because I have a good through line.
Thank God. Because I have zero.
I have a good through line because you were just talking about Ann Richards and her, Southern platform of incarceration. both. my reference is who scowl. So Anthony says this to Mr. Kearney right at the end. This is, This was to the who scowl. So I don't know. Something like that doesn't seem right. But he says something about the who's gal. Anyway, I heard that word, and I was like, what does that mean? Well, apparently, it's an informal term for jail. Oh, this, one to the who scowl, I think, is what that quote was supposed to be. it's an informal term for jail. It's an interpretation of the Spanish term. I'm gonna guess it's husgado, which means court of justice tribunal. Who Scout was first used out west as an interpretation of that Spanish term. So when you hear who's gal, that means jail.
Oh, I thought you meant, like, whose cow is this?
That, too. Jail. Are we done with this series finale?
That's.
That's it.
Can you sound a little bit happier, though?
Well, because I'm ready to talk to Ms. About Ms. Bonnie Jean Poteet, which is our next episode.
Oh, okay.
You know, I like to do the thing and move on. So, like, if we covered all the necessary. Are we ready to go?
I want to rip off the band.
Aid and eat some pimento cheese. This is lunch is between us. This is between us and lunch. Betwixt.
Between in betwixt.
So come back Monday for our first character deep dive of season seven, all about Ms. BJ Poteet. we'd love everyone to follow along with us and engage Instagram and Facebook @Sweet TNTV. We're on TikTok YouTube. You can email us Sweet TVPod Gmail, and our website is www.sweettv.com. and then you can support the show several ways on the website. As I started talking, I realized we don't usually do this for extra sugar. So I lost. I petered out.
It's all good. It's all good.
Pizza doubts. Well, you know, frankly, my dear.
Well, you know. You know what that means?
What does it mean, Salina?
It means it's the first episode and I've forgotten where I am and what I'm doing. And I'm very hungry. So we'll see you around the bend.
Bye.
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