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ST&TV Road Trip! Designing Women - 2020, The Big Split Play at the Horizon Theatre in Atlanta

Updated: Apr 8, 2023


We were so excited to visit Horizon Theatre, here in Atlanta, to see the Designing Women play, 2020: The Big Split! Let’s cover our special, Sweet Tea & TV field trip, complete with a delicious dinner at Wisteria!

The ladies may be navigating a modern world, but they’re doing it with the same wit, charm, and strength fans will remember and appreciate from the original run of the series.

Join us as we discuss our reactions, as well as how it compares to the virtual performance from TheatreSquared that we watched and reviewed over two episodes in season 2 of our show.

If you’re in the Atlanta area (or could be!), make a trip to the theater and immerse yourself in Sugarbakers all over again! Horizon is currently booking tickets through November 6, so don’t sleep on this unique opportunity to see our own Southern pop culture icons in their natural habitat.



Hey, Salina.

Hey, Nikki, we're mixing it up this week off the cuff.

Welcome to Sweet Tea and TV.

We have a special episode.

This is totally unprepared and off the cuff because we had a really fun experience last night and we want to talk about it right now.


So in season two of our podcast between episodes five and six, we did a review of the Designing Women Play from Fayetteville, Arkansas from Theater Square.

We had one episode where we did, um, like our hot takes sort of a sneak peek of what we were thinking about the play.

And then we really dug in deep in the second episode.

We were thinking that would be the only opportunity we'd ever have to see this play and we had to watch it virtually.

Um, but Salina, I think you found out that the play was coming to Atlanta.

Yeah, we've got you on Google Alerts designing women.

We're on it now that play I think was the thing that kind of put us over the edge.

We were like, no, we need to know more.

So we found out that at the Horizon Theater in Little five points in Atlanta.

They were doing the play and we thought, oh my gosh, Atlanta, the play about these people who live in Atlanta.

Like this is our time.

This is our hometown.

It's our time.

We have to do this.

So we had a great opportunity to go.

We got, we reached out to the theater and asked, could we come and they invited us to the media night.

So we got to go see the play live.

So, thank you.

Thank you very much, Horizon Theater.

Um It was a cute venue.

I, I had never been, had you ever been, I, I had not like, I, I mean, I know, I know who they are, but I hadn't had the opportunity.

So that was a really exciting um part of it.

So it was really fun to get to see it live.

It was um a totally different cast.

I think I've sort of pieced together from the last time we saw it.

Um So we had all new people playing all the characters.

The play was mostly the same with a couple of differences.

Um But just all in all a really fun night and I didn't want the moment to pass without us at least giving, We gave it the hour and 14 minute treatment in 2021.

So I don't want to do that again.

But I thought maybe if we could just share like our top reactions or any observations, we made because it was very different watching it in person than it was watching it virtually.

So I thought maybe we could do that today.


Well, my friend, first observation is good job, Nikki because I'm still tired and, um, I think I was like, we need to do, we need to do something.

But that's as far as I've gotten.

So, thanks for coming a little bit more prepared today because I was like, I just need some coffee, So much coffee and it wasn't like, I mean, we weren't out till four am or anything, but it's on the tail and Friday nights are always a little Tough.


So it was on a Friday night.

That's right.

So it was the very end of the week.

The show didn't start till eight and I'm just going to level with everyone that like, I'm usually in bed by 830.

I think both of us usually get up around in the five AM hour.

So, you know, as I would tell anyone else, grandma's got to get to bed.

I just needed to go to bed.

So we did a little, what did you give me before we left for the place Celsius Celsius energy drink.

And then we had a coffee at dinner and speaking of dinner, it was like a true date night.

It was a date date night.

We had dinner at which was Salina's suggestion because we wanted to have dinner.

But I just I get analysis paralysis with restaurants.

Well, I did too.

You manage it better than I do.

Casey shook me out of it.

He was like, uh what come on Salina, you guys are a Southern podcast.

I was like, oh, thanks for, thanks for keeping us on brand.

Thank you very much, Casey.

He was like, this is a Southern restaurant.

It just makes sense.

So I, I put up like a flare and told Salina please, I'll make the reservation.

I'll figure out the logistics.

I don't care.

Just don't make me choose if you can choose.

I'll do everything else.

So we ended up at Wisteria, which was lovely.

Tell the people what we had Salina, what did we get to eat?

Oh, you put me on the spot?


So we had the pear and arugula salad.

We did.

So that had some sort of crunchy deliciousness on it.

Some kind of granola or something.

It tasted like granola to me.


But maybe like so good.

It kind of reminded me of like, of pray.

Oh, yeah.

So we had that and then we had, um, fritters.

They were corn fritters because there was definitely corn chili, green chili.

Good job.

And then it came with a bee Paul and honey butter.

Um, and that stuff I could have slaughtered on anything.

It was really good.

Yeah, it was awesome.

They were like, um, hush puppies almost.

That's what, that's what he, how he described them and I was tasting that.


The server.


Uh So that was, that was really nice.

We were also outside and the weather is good right now y'all because it's fall and fall in south means 80 in case y'all don't know, it was delightful.

Um It was really good.

Uh, really like comfortable weather which like that doesn't always happen on a patio.

Let's see.

What else do we get?

We got smoked salmon, devil eggs that had creme fresh drizzled on top.

And are you checking me over there?

I'm trying to, I hope so.

I I'm, I'm here if you need me.

So just so y'all know I'm doing this for a memory.

Let's see how that server brain works.

There was more involved in it than that, but those were the two uh big flavors that stood out to me and what got my attention?

Pickled okra um pickled okra on the side.

That was great.

And then we got a vegetable plate which really shows that we are at a southern restaurant because southern restaurants love a vegetable plate.

Now, this is where you're gonna have to keep me honest because I was trying to tell Casey last night and I was like, I can't remember everything, but I know everything was delicious.

I think there was like a corn pudding.


There were mushrooms.

Um There was a, there was a corn suck and then I feel like I'm gonna need you to fill in the rest asparagus as, uh, grits.

I don't remember the grit.

I do.

They would have been, they were, uh, I had them, they were there, they were there, uh, apple sauted greens.

The sweet potatoes.

The sweet potatoes were very good.

They were super creamy and black eyed peas.




Nikki got her first shot at Mezcal last night.

I neglected to tell her that it was smoky.

Um, which I feel bad about.

No, I really enjoyed it.

The first couple of sips were like, I just wasn't expecting to be drinking like a campfire.

And then after a few sips I was like, no, I mean, of course, it could have just been like, everything sort of settling in smoothing me out, but it tasted a lot better after that.

It was very good.


And then I have like a, they, they did have some spirit free cocktails which I always appreciate and I got a, um, cucumber gimlet, which I really enjoy.

But for whatever reason in my head, guys, you know, I used to bar tend gimlets are always straight up in my mind.

Martinis are always straight up in my mind.

That's actually not correct.

That's just sort of how it's not, there's no rule, there's no hard and fast rule that I'm aware of.

But in my mind it's al it's always how it's served.

So I was like, oh, they're doing this one on the rocks.


Um, but it was good.

Um I really enjoyed that and then we had bread pudding for dessert and um, I was very excited because it was rainless.

Salina was correct.

I learned last night, Salina is not a big raisin fan.

That was news to me.

I'll still eat them.

Yeah, it was a right.

No, it was delicious.

Was it banana pudding that you saw on the menu?

So, yeah.


I was expecting a banana pudding on the menu and it wasn't there.

So we went through all the desserts like line by line.

The way we decided what we were going to eat last night is like, what could we not live without and what could we live without?

And so we went line by line.

I think we're gonna have to go back, we have whether it separately or together or whatever for both.

Um But yeah, I didn't get enough of the menu um because there's just two of us and Nikki really did get like you, you're right.

I was like, well, just get four more things.

It's fine.

I am so anxious about food waste and I didn't, I'm not weird about like temperature of food usually, but I didn't want to leave it sitting in the car for like four hours because we knew it was a long play.

I don't know, man, I was thinking about just eating it right there.

It's true.

I would have been like a little rude, but like, I don't know, I obviously I don't follow the rules.

I get to that.

So anyway, dinner was delicious and that sort of set us up to get to the theater right on time.

It was sort of general admission sit wherever you want.

Um But we were super impressed.

I think about how like every seat was good.

They had the center section saved for season ticket holders, which fortunately we found out before I led us straight to some amazing season ticket holder seats.

I was like, why are these seats still open?

Let's sit.

Oh, never mind.




We're going to sit over here.

So we sat on the right hand side of the stage if you're on the stage looking out and it was great.

I felt like I could see everything.

I didn't have any issues.


Actually it's, are we in it?

Are we in our reaction?

Not really, but go for it.

Well, because mine is just like so steeped in the, the, the theater, the theater itself?

Um I just love the intimacy.

I thought that was pitch perfect, especially for Sugar Bakers, which is a very intimate setting as well.

Um So it was like, really cozy to me and it sort of cemented what I've said many times and that's that designing women often feels like a one act play.

And what, what was it?

I don't know, it was one act.

It wasn't but, uh, two acts.


Intermission, I think, I don't know what the parts are called.

Are they scenes in between where they turn the lights off, they clear the stage.

I think that's resets or something.

I think that's right.

Let's see if I can harness my drama knowledge from 1990 nine.

Yeah, the, um, the theater was really great.

Uh, I just enjoyed the overall experience of having the opportunity to see it in person.

Um It's not so um I talked about in our main episode that like theater is not, it's not my favorite format.

I always feel like I need to say that apologetically, but I think you're allowed to just not love some things that other people really love.

It's not that I think it's dumb.

It's not that I think it's a waste of time.

It's just not my preferred format.

I maybe have changed my mind like a little bit because I actually really enjoyed seeing it in person.

It felt like you said it felt intimate.

I felt like I was part of it.

It's an experience.

It's an experience.

It's like very immersive.

Um And I, I really, really enjoyed it.

So I was, I'm like, super grateful to horizon for giving us the opportunity to come see it because it was, it was a total experience.

Yeah, I, I, I can't stress enough the proximity to the stage that we had really almost made me feel like we were uh in an immersive experience and then when they would do the Charlene Parts, she's over on the side to indicate that separation from, you know, she's not actually at Sugar Bakers and like she was like, we could have shook hands.

Yeah, she was cool.

I love that.

I am not confident.

I didn't make eye contact with Catherine Lassa who played Julia a couple of times.

I feel pretty confident when she was sitting in that chair right in front of us.


Oh, you were connecting.

We were connecting.

She was acting to me.


Did she want to do an interview?

We could have found out they had a like champagne um reception afterwards, but it was like close to midnight.

We had both gotten up at five that morning, grandmas were tired.

It was like a 45 minute drive home, so we missed it.

But if she hears this, we'd love to talk to anyone, any one of the actors.

Yeah, they're welcome.

Uh I have a couple of observations about the storyline that I'm not sure I noticed last time and I'm just curious if you noticed the same things.

Wait on me.

Charlene had a diatribe at the end about um I hate using the word diatribe.

Let me change that.

She made some remarks at the end about how the women always um use the word hillbilly disparaging.

They make all these deliverance comments and it just sort of came out of left field a little bit and I don't remember feeling that way when we watched the play the first time.

But this time I was like, Charlene was literally only there for like 10 minutes at the very beginning enough to introduce Haley and then she was gone.

There were a lot of hillbilly jokes.

There were a lot made in the TV show, but in this, there weren't.

And so I wasn't sure if that felt like a plot hole to you or maybe it's like super on brand because it's so on brand with the show.

But her whole thing at the end just felt so like pulled out of left wil to me super quick, quick, super quick.

Yeah, I think we talk about that with the show some um just like uh like because unfairly to anyone having to write for a sitcom, you have 22 minutes and so you have to cover so much ground in 22 minutes.

And so sometimes I think across the board, sitcoms have pacing issues.

Um And uh and I think that like, yeah, we didn't really get to live in that moment because it, it did feel like um towards the end, we, I I would have liked to have spent more time in that bond that we felt right at the very tail end.

Um That would have been nice because I did, I got Misty Eyed because L BT man, she really knows how to write the bond of women.

I think I said that back around the play.

And, um, last night it just sort of reminded me of just how, like, amazing she is at that.

And so I think I would have just like more of that instead of so long with them being kind of upset with one another.

Um, but yeah, the other thing I wanted to ask you about was, um, did they ever say early on in the play that Sugar Bakers was in financial trouble again?

Because the whole ending of the play is about they have this massive falling out because they've been quarantined together.

Go back and listen to our big long episode because we give you all the high points in the plot, but they're quarantined together.

They have a lot of falling out because they have different political beliefs, different moral values, perceptions, whatever.

And so they say they're going to split up, but it's because they can't stay afloat because Suzanne is pulling her share out and it just felt like there was, there was a conversation missing there.

They never mentioned they were in financial trouble.

They never were on the fair.

I, I wonder if, and I don't know, but I'm just going to take a stab in the dark to see if maybe we can get somewhere if you stab something.

See if, see if I really stabbed the hell out of something.

Um But no like what if um in L BT s mind because this was so centered around the pandemic.

Um And we know that so many businesses have faced such hardships in the past couple of years and given they're a design firm and we're talking about the things that go first.

That's got to be one of them.

I wonder if she just felt like it was a given that obviously they'd be having financial troubles um, at this time.

But I don't know.

Um I think it's a fair comment and I think the other thing I'm gonna say, and it was Actually on my original list.

But you saying that reminded me, I was worried this was going to feel really dated because we saw it in late 2021.

It's a play based in 2020.

So we first thought it was late 2021.

I was already a little like, is this going to feel dated?

So then seeing it almost a whole year later, I was like, well, how is this going to hold up?

It put me right back into the frame of mind of 2020 and I had forgotten how did you like that trauma?

I didn't feel, I don't feel as viscerally every day how traumatic that was.

And that was a really, I think, actually helpful reminder.

It put me right back in the trauma and it gave me a perspective for like, man, we have really lived through some stuff we've really done it.

So it wasn't as great as I thought it was going to be.

It felt, it still felt current and still felt.

Yeah, I think it kind of speaks to her ability to be bold because I think that is a bold choice, um, to do something so recent.

I think it can go really well and I think it can blow up in your face.

Um, I know, I think at least offline you and I both love the crown.

And we talk about, we've talked about how the writer of that show, Um the creator of that show, he believes that you need like 25 years in between an event and to turn around and tell a story about it because you need almost that separation in order to properly tell about it.

Um I think she, we could argue that she's proving that wrong.

So what are some of your thoughts?

What did, what struck you last night?

Well, I think we've already talked about a couple of them because being there in person I thought was also really special.

Um Also, I just think if we're gonna, being that we're talking about the pandemic and everything, I think it's really important to remember that of the things that were affected.

We were sitting in two of the things the most affected by the pandemic restaurants or the theater.

I mean, people who from the theater like just listening to my, like pop culture podcast and things.

I mean, I don't know that the concern is as heightened, but there was a real fear that we were gonna lose theaters completely in this country.

And that's a craft that goes back an amount of years that I'm not aware of off the top of my head.

But I know it's a long time and one could argue, it goes back to being just around a fire and storytelling, um, which is as old as humans themselves.

So I think that would be a real loss for humans.

It's just a really important art form.

And Lisa Adler, who is the co-founder of the Horizon Theater, she gave some remarks at the beginning of the play.

And one of the things she said was, she thanked a federal grant that kept their theater alive through the pandemic and helped sort of keep them afloat and it was just sort of like a, it's just so weird how this play is covering content two years old.

But like you said, we're sitting in this industry that is kind of still feeling some of the, the ripple effect.

And I think it's just that like if, if, um, us being able to talk about it, us being able to encourage people to go back into restaurants and go back to plays and go back to living your life.

Um, I mean, do so like we, you know, I never would want to push anybody or make anybody move, like, move faster than they're ready to because I know that these last two years, I think traumatic is a great way to frame it.

But, um, I think it was just a good reminder of how important that is.

There's a reason that plays happen in person.

It's because the actors need people to play off of that gives them that excitement and that energy and you feel that in the room.

And uh that's just a really cool thing.

Um Another thing that I saw was that I really enjoyed about this was the chemistry and the closeness between the cast, I saw that I felt that the entire time I noticed it in the little like arm grabs and the hugs and the embracing it all felt very real to me.

It felt genuine.

Uh They seemed excited every time another character entered, uh they seemed like they had a, a real life friendship and bond that strengthened, I think the whatever of the play, especially Cleo and Charlene, the, the two actors that played them.

They like, I felt like I was watching two friends hanging out together.

May have been, yeah, if we hadn't been so tired, we may have found out.

I, I have looked into the cast a little bit this morning.

Um Now that we know who actually was playing because I never know if it's going to be the understudy or the um the principal actor so I wanted to see who was actually playing and now that I know I did like a little bit of a deep dive and the almost the entire cast was like Atlanta native Atlanta.

Um Living maybe native is not the right word, but like Atlanta living Atlanta active.

So they really may know each other from other plays, other external experiences.

But it really did.

You're right.

It felt like watching Friends.

I think that's right.

I think that they're pro I've just taken some, I'm not in this world, but I just imagine that there's probably a very tight knit artist community when it comes to theater, like, Especially Post 2020 and of being together.

I don't think that world is huge.

Um So especially when you're talking about like site specific, if we're talking about the actors and the fact that you did a deep deep dive just in terms of character and actors.

I, I think everybody did a really nice job.

Um Truly, but Cleo and the actor that played Cleo hands down again, my favorite, her solo at the end against um Suzanne when we watched it virtually, I got tears, I got tears again last night and I got chills last night listening to her um call out um racism and call out this desire of the black community to just be able to live.

All we want is to live.

Like we're not asking for anything special and it was just so amazingly written and then more than that amazingly delivered, I had chill chill bumps.

I thought that was beautiful.

Yeah, I just think this was such a um a good addition to the cast.

Um And, and, and, and I just found um the actor to be incredibly charming and down to earth and so natural in her execution.

Um But also like, I do think play acting is a little bit more boisterous.

I wonder if that's one of the things that's a little different for you to angle.

Yeah, from like uh the way that like TV, or movie acting is um because you could see them, they were playing to the crowd a little bit.

Um And the whole time and I think that's because they, they want to bring you in.

Um and, and maybe not every place like that, it's not like I've been to millions of plays.

Um But anyway, so that was, that's, that was my other thing.

And then I had, I had one struggle that I, that I figured I would share with the accent.

Why don't you go ahead and take that one?

Because that's a good 12 struggles.

The, we said this when we watched the Arkansas based version, the Accents, you know, we're, we're a Southern podcast.

That's what we talk about.

We talk about whether something is true to the South or not.

We've talked about the accents on the main designing women's show in general.

So it feels like fair territory to say some, the accents were a little hard to follow.

Yeah, I think, but, you know, I think in, yes.

And you and I basically turned to each other a few times and went, but also at the same time we hear that on the show sometimes.


And then if I, I'm from the South, but if I go to do a fake Southern accent, it sounds super fake.

Yeah, it sounds like I am Out of the 1800s or something.

And that's not really necessarily like accurate portrayal anymore.

So it is, even if you are from a given area, I think if you're like trying to capture like a thing, I think it just becomes like some, I feel like Katherine Lena was really, she channeled that smoky smooth Julia voice.

I thought hers was really, it was really good.

Some of some other times like you said, we turned to each other and we're like, oh, oh, this isn't good.


So that was a challenge.

And we had, I don't know if they're, you said a lot of the actors are from Atlanta.

I don't know if they're native.



Like I think typically if I'm in a room with people who are from Atlanta, I am one of the very few people who's actually at least close by from Georgia.

So there, it's just a very, um what you call it, City Transient Thank you.

Uh, so, yeah.

Um, but that wasn't my, is there anything else specifically you wanted to say on the accent?

I just wish, um, the actor who had played Win Dollar Hide, um, had been in this version as well.

Oh, the guy from Arkansas, his name was, I looked it up a minute ago.

R word Duffy.

He missed him.

He was enchanting.

Nikki had a crush so I missed him.

I miss him.

That's all I got.

He's good.

Yeah, I think so.

My only thing was I still struggle with.

I'm going to call her the new Julia.

Just like, just like I did the virtual play.

She's a very uh pinned up lady, especially when it comes to talking about things like sex.

I think that is well documented within the show.

I wouldn't even remotely classify her as what a terminal terminology that didn't even exist then that I know of but does today, which is being like sex positive.

I don't think we call Julia sex positive from the course of the show.

So it doesn't feel entirely true to the character to me.

However, on the opposite side of that, um people do grow and they do change and, and I think we do get some indication that time has passed.

I mean, if Charlene doesn't have a child where we are in the show and now her child's a marine, some time has passed, you know, uh I think that if they, if L BT made a con decision to make her like more uh owning of her sexuality or whatever, a little bit freer there, if that's what she was purposefully doing, then, then I think in a way that's a change for a good because I'd rather hear that than um her making slut shaming comments towards, towards her sister for sure any day.

I'm glad you brought this up because I thought about this this morning.

Um because you had mentioned that last night just briefly in passing, that you were still struggling a little bit with that character.

And what I was going to encounter with is the undercurrent of the entire play was how the pandemic changed us, how the political environment of 2020 and the previous election changed us fundamentally, we are all different one way or the other, whichever side you're on, you are fundamentally different.

And so I think what we saw through, even through the course of the play was Julia changing her liberal use of foul language that was just driving Suzanne crazy.

All these things that like are very different from this character we've grown to know in the show.

I sort of wondered if that was almost like amplified in the play because that's the, that's, that's the whole thing.

The whole thing is we're all so different.


What changing towns are changing?

That's very profound.

I can have a late breaker.

Please blow me away.

This kind of bothered me to no end last night, the out loud messaging machine, the out loud messaging machine, they kept calling and leaving messages.

Where is that happening in 2020?

It's a good question.

If it was a device for the play, I think that that's fine.

But it's just like in so many ways, I think there was a real effort to show, show that time has marched on, you know.

Um But then throughout the play, we get messages and I was like, and I didn't even notice in the virtual play.

I don't know if I was like, I think that it's another reason, I'm glad we watched it again because I think I was able to be a little bit more free.

I wasn't so worried about catching everything and in that, I was like, wait a second has an answering machine that is going off in the background anymore.

And they were all comments about a blog post.

So one blogs you could argue like that seems dated anyway in 2020.

But when you can't, you just respond to a blog post, why would you be calling someone on a landline?

So device of the play, maybe I think they could have had Alexa read out of the emails or something because they did bring Alexa in.

That would have been funny.


Good job L BT.

Oh, never mind my last one.

L B G.

Please come to Atlanta and see this.

Oh my gosh.

So again, the co-founder said in her remarks at the beginning and before we get to the play, the writer herself is here with us and there was an audible gas in the audience.

And I think Salina had been thinking she could even, I thought she had been there.

So there was this expectation and then she goes, that's right.

She's watching us on Zoom and she pointed to a camera in the back and we were all like, oh, right.

And that's, that's totally fine.

It's ok.

We just would have loved selfishly to see her come visit Linda.

The show was set in Atlanta.

You did that.

There was a reason behind it.

Now, the play that you wrote that is so lovely is also playing in Atlanta in a really cool venue.

Um Like, we're at Atlanteans.

A T aliens are coming in to see the, the words that you've put on the paper about these characters all these years later come join us in this like very meta experience.

Um Our podcast.

Do you mean?

Well, that'd be great too.

But like, even if you have nothing to do with us ever, which would be a shame because we love you.

Uh like, still go, go, go do it.

She should, if nothing else, she should revel in, like enjoying her own play in the environment that she cultivated.

Built on a real place.

Yeah, it's so cool.

I think that was like one of the reasons that like, even though you and I have like a lot going on right now that we were like, we have to make it happen.

We had to drop everything we had to go.


Do you have anything else you want to add about the play?

I don't think so.

Just yay.

What a good night.

So much fun.

A huge thank you to Horizon Theater for having us.

Um, I believe the show is ongoing until early November I think is what Lisa said in her opening remarks.

It's not written on the program which I have in my hand right here.

But I believe I heard them say early November.

So if you are in the Atlanta area and you're a huge designing women fan or if you're not from the Atlanta area, but you could, you could road trip to Atlanta.

It's probably worth going to see this right in the town where it's based.

Um, we had an absolutely amazing time and, uh, it was very, very fun.

So we'd tell everyone to go, yeah, go check it out and go check out some, even if it's not whether it was the or whatever.

There were a lot of, I mean, we in the west in Park little five area like, uh, yeah, there are a ton of really cute restaurants around there.

We passed three that we were like, we would love to eat here.

Yeah, we can eat here.

You want to eat here?

No, let's go to we have a reservation and I'm so glad we went because it was delicious.

So make it an Atlanta trip and thank you Horizon Theater and go see the play and we'll see you around a bit.



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