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Designing Women S2 E1 - Everyone's Worth Knowing

Updated: Aug 14, 2023

It’s season 2, y’all! Our “Designing Women” gals find themselves sprucing up an old gas station for an unexpected client, who Julia goes off on and Charlene to see if he is her future husband. And if we’ve learned anything: be sure to have a licensed professional check out any funky moles.

Stick around for this week’s "Extra Sugar" where we talk all things 1987.

OH! And we kick off the episode with a few Proust Survey questions. We’re going to return to this one over the course of the season, if you want to hang onto it.

In case you can’t get enough of the 80s:

Come on, let’s get into it!



Salina: Hey, Nikki.

Nikki: Hey, Salina.

Salina: Hey, everybody.

Nikki: Hey, y'all.

Salina: All right.

Salina: All that sounded real.

Salina: Fake.

Salina: That's okay.

Nikki: It's not, though.

Salina: Yeah, it's it's not.

Salina: It's real.

Salina: Well, it's exciting.

Salina: It is, because today is season two.

Nikki: We are there.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: I wanted to start off with something that I was hoping okay.

Salina: I'm going to say today I'd like for us to carry this through a good portion of the season because I think it sounded like a fun thing to do.

Salina: Unless you hate it and then we'll drop it.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: But I found something.

Salina: I didn't find it, but I heard about something called the Proust questionnaire.

Salina: Are you familiar with this?

Nikki: I was not only that, you've told me we're going to be doing it today.

Salina: Why are you telling the secret?

Nikki: But I haven't looked into so what I told Salina beforehand is that I have not looked into it at all.

Nikki: So I am only familiar with it because you've mentioned it to me.

Nikki: I still do not know what it's about.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: So that part's true.

Salina: Its origins are that it is like a parlor game that was popularized by Proust.

Salina: He didn't like invent it.

Salina: So if you guys don't know, he's a French essayist and novelist and he apparently liked to have really deep party games because basically what they would do is they would sort of go around, ask these questions.

Salina: They'd answer the questions, and by answering them, they sort of reveal their true nature.

Nikki: Oh, my.

Salina: So are you ready to reveal?

Nikki: I'm not sure I want to reveal my true nature on air.

Salina: Your true nature.

Nikki: Oh, God.

Nikki: A terrible start to season two.

Salina: Or a perfect start.

Salina: Also, if people listening, like, you can play along, which could be fun or horrible for you, we find out I'm.

Nikki: A masked serial killer or something.

Salina: Good, good.

Salina: So glad you're in my home.

Salina: So starting with question one of the questions doesn't sound like a positive note to start off.

Salina: So I'm going to start with the question that feels like it could glean more negative answers.

Salina: And then we're going to go to the happier question.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: So what is your greatest fear?

Nikki: My greatest fear these days?

Nikki: This is, like, deep and it's heavy.

Nikki: Well, while you're thinking, oh, I have an answer.

Nikki: I'm trying to word it in a.

Salina: This is why I started this way.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: Because I was like, we cannot hop into the podcast after this question.

Nikki: This feels awful to put out in the universe.

Nikki: It's watching something really horrible happen to one of my children and having to watch it and not being able to do anything about it.

Salina: Oh, yeah.

Salina: So I'm just going to go out on a limb and guess that's, like, probably a lot of parents.

Nikki: Worse, probably.

Nikki: And I had a dream that I still can remember.

Nikki: This was like six months ago.

Nikki: I had this dream and I remember it plainly where something happened to my daughter and I just woke up in like a complete sweat.

Nikki: And it was something I couldn't prevent.

Nikki: There was nothing I could do about it.

Nikki: And that is the most powerless, horrible feeling ever.

Nikki: So worst fear right on there.

Nikki: That's it.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: So glad I could do that for you.

Salina: I know.

Salina: Now I'm triggered well, so mine will be really revealing because it's the opposite of someone who doesn't have children.

Salina: Mine is to die alone.

Salina: Welcome back.

Salina: Aren't you glad you came to hang out with us?

Nikki: Oh, my God.

Salina: I realized, though, it used to be being buried alive, but it slowly dawned on me over time that in addition to that sounding like a terrible time, that at the end of the day, you're in a box by yourself.

Salina: That's true.

Nikki: Good point.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: So that's really what's at the base of that.

Nikki: It used to be, for me, a slow death.

Nikki: A slow death where you have to experience every bit of it.

Salina: I suddenly went medieval.

Salina: But I know what you meant.

Nikki: Like a drowning or like a suffocation.

Salina: A quartering.

Nikki: Good God.

Nikki: I don't like the start to season two.

Nikki: Let's move on.

Nikki: Next question.

Salina: Okay, so the next question is this gets better.

Nikki: It gets better.

Salina: What is your idea and what is y'all's idea?

Salina: Tell us of the perfect happiness.

Nikki: Oh, perfect happiness.

Nikki: I literally told Kyle this last weekend I was in my perfectly happy moment.

Nikki: Just like if I ever dream about my perfectly happy moment.

Nikki: It's like when my kids are occupied and happy with one another and playing.

Nikki: We are sitting somewhere in our community, somewhere communal in our community, but obviously not like talking to people or interacting with people because of COVID But like, somewhere outdoors, the weather is lovely.

Nikki: It's like that thing I saw the other day that was like, this is fake fall in the south.

Nikki: We get fake fall.

Nikki: Then we get that horrible summer, that second social media.

Nikki: So we're in fake fall right now.

Nikki: So it's beautiful weather and just enjoying ourselves.

Nikki: And that is my perfect, my absolute perfect.

Salina: That sounds nice.

Nikki: Is that the answer to the question?

Salina: I mean, I don't think there's any right or wrong answer there.

Salina: Can that be terrible?

Nikki: There's always a right or wrong.

Salina: Sorry.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: This is the kind of question that's a little difficult for me to answer.

Salina: And it's going to be kind of funny, I think, because it's like twofold.

Salina: I guess part of me would be like anytime that I'm traveling that is not actually like traveling, but wherever my destination is.

Salina: And it's just this thing where I'm telling myself in my mind, like, you may never be here again.

Salina: So drink in this moment, like everything that you're seeing.

Salina: But as much as I like to do that with the big things, I also really like to do that with the little things.

Salina: So, like, sitting outside and drinking a cup of coffee or sitting inside on my couch and drinking a cup of coffee or coffee, coffee, coffee will often be featured.

Salina: It's also my travel happiness.

Salina: But you know what I'm saying.

Salina: It's just those moments where you just are enough here and in the moment that you are telling yourself be here and be in this moment, be present.

Salina: And anytime that I feel like I am letting all the other things melt away and being a human being and not a human doing, which so often, I know I fall into that trap.

Salina: Oh, yeah, that is perfect.

Salina: Happiness and podcasting.

Nikki: This was a nice transition from worst.

Salina: That was better than death, right?

Salina: Okay, so there you go.

Nikki: I like that.

Salina: Two questions in the book.

Nikki: Okay.

Nikki: Are you learning more about me?

Nikki: Is there an answer at the end?

Nikki: Are you going to tell me?

Nikki: Oh, thought I was getting a score or something.

Salina: There's no means to an end.

Nikki: Oh, I'm not going to work so hard then.

Salina: Oh yeah, don't work hard.

Nikki: Is that it?

Nikki: That's it.

Nikki: Oh, there was just two questions.

Salina: I'm going to ask a couple every oh, got it.

Nikki: We're on the same page now.

Nikki: Understood that's when she looks to me because we're about to jump into season two of Designing Women.

Nikki: So for season two, Salina and I have done a lot of talking about what did and did not work this season, what we liked, what we want to do differently.

Nikki: So we'll start before we even get into our episode description, we'll start by talking a little bit about how we're going to do some episodes differently this season.

Nikki: So we're going to take a slightly different approach to each episode.

Nikki: Last season we found ourselves, I think, in this kind of blow by blow or play by play of each episode.

Nikki: And it was very stressful to both of us.

Nikki: And we heard from some listeners that maybe it wasn't the most compelling content to hear us rebuild an entire Designing Women episode moment by moment.

Nikki: It was very stressful to me.

Nikki: Salina has an excellent memory and I have a terrible memory.

Nikki: And so I always felt like I was going to forget a detail that was very important and it never really.

Salina: Is because it's a sitcom and it's okay.

Salina: It's not a life or death situation.

Nikki: So when we did the Pretty Woman episode, we did sort of like a big picture.

Nikki: We didn't do a recap necessarily, but we did big picture.

Nikki: Like, what do you like about the movie?

Nikki: What'd you not like?

Nikki: What really stuck out to you?

Nikki: Should we talk about big themes?

Nikki: We're going to try that this season.

Nikki: For the Designing Women episodes, we definitely want to get into the details of Designing Women.

Nikki: We definitely want to talk about certain things in each episode that stick out to us, but that actually gives us more time to do that when we're not so focused on.

Nikki: Wait, did Anthony say that before or after Suzanne walked out of the room or whatever the situation is?

Nikki: So that's how we're going to do it this season.

Nikki: So there you go.

Nikki: Sound right?

Nikki: Anything you want to add?

Salina: I don't think so.

Nikki: Okay.

Nikki: Then, as always, we're still going to do extra sugar because that has, incidentally, become one of our favorite parts of the show to put together because it allows us to do rabbit holes in a structured way and go into our Google holes.

Nikki: Not the right word.

Nikki: We did it into our Google search bar and explore things we didn't know, so we'll still be doing that.

Nikki: But that's the biggest change this season.

Nikki: So instead of belaboring that, we'll jump right in.

Nikki: We are not changing this part where we're going to do the episode descriptions.

Nikki: So, this week, we have Hulu and IMDb.

Nikki: So, Hulu says for season two, episode one, which is called 101 ways to decorate a gas station, sugar Bakers faces a severe test of their creative ability when the winner not winter winner of their contest demands that they refurbish his rundown.

Nikki: Dilapidated gas station IMDb is to promote their business.

Nikki: The ladies raffle off a free room redesign.

Nikki: The winner of the drawing is a shiftless it's a tough word to say shiftless bum named Eldon Ashcroft IV, who keeps changing his mind constantly.

Nikki: And it aired September 14, 1987.

Nikki: Salina, you the ever judgy one of these episode descriptions.

Nikki: Do they path muster with you?

Salina: Yeah, I didn't really think that.

Salina: Well, first of all, I felt like they were really mean to Eldon.

Salina: I didn't appreciate that.

Salina: I thought it was, like, a little rude.

Salina: They're like, this piece of crap came into their nice, clean design firm and he took a poop in the middle of the room.

Salina: That's what it read like to me.

Salina: And I was like, whoa, I think you guys are being, like, a little harsh.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: I won't always do this, but I did actually throw one together in this.

Nikki: Oh, perfect.

Nikki: Hulu IMDb.

Nikki: Listen up.

Nikki: You've got your next episode description writer sitting right here.

Salina: I'm right here.

Salina: And I like some of it.

Salina: Like, some of it was absolutely correct.

Nikki: So, anyways, you sound like you're about to offer feedback to someone.

Nikki: It's not all wrong.

Nikki: I liked pieces of it.

Nikki: Like, you used the word the a couple of times.

Nikki: That was excellent.

Salina: I took full chunks.

Salina: How'd that feel for you?

Salina: Okay.

Salina: So, to promote their business, which is still facing struggles, the ladies raffle off a free room redesign.

Salina: Their patience is tested when the unexpected winner turns out to be more than they bargain for.

Salina: But is it possible everyone learns a lesson by the end?

Nikki: So, what do you think yours added beyond the other two?

Salina: Don't question me.

Nikki: Perfect.

Nikki: So we're done.

Nikki: That was Salina's description.

Nikki: Moving on.

Salina: It still leaves a little intrigue, but it doesn't poo poo on Eldon, who we don't know.

Salina: It doesn't make him sound like you shouldn't call anyone a shiftless.

Salina: Like, I feel like that's the lesson here.

Salina: But it also brings an idea that there's a reason they're doing this laugh.

Salina: It's not just like they're like, oh, we'll do a raffle.

Salina: It's because the business is struggling.

Nikki: I'm going to start calling my husband a shiftless bomb.

Salina: Oh, no.

Salina: I think sometimes for husbands that applies.

Nikki: Perfect.

Nikki: Okay, so my husband description is shiftless bomb who lives in my house.

Salina: Okay, moving right along.

Nikki: Thank you, Salina.

Nikki: So the episode was written by LBT.

Nikki: While the episode description should have been written by SS Salina Smith, it was directed by Harry Thomason.

Nikki: So in Extra Sugar, this week, Salina is going to cover a little bit about 1987, so we'll learn more kind of contextually about this year.

Salina: It's a beautiful year.

Nikki: So our first kind of bucket of things to talk about is general reactions and stray observations to this episode.

Nikki: I'm going to go ahead and jump in and say that you have a soft spot for Eldon Ashcroft the Fourth.

Salina: Well, I don't even know that's.

Salina: Not really.

Salina: I feel like there was a lot of strong feelings around this poor guy and maybe it's the way the episode ends up that we learn that he's a little deeper than they make him appear.

Salina: In the beginning, maybe, but I just felt like between the description and how they didn't want to touch him because they were like, OOH, he's dirty, it just all felt really rude and I didn't really enjoy that.

Nikki: There was a lot of rudeness in this episode.

Nikki: Yes.

Nikki: But it made for good humor because one of my general reaction stray observations is that Mary Jo was hysterical in this episode.

Salina: Oh, okay.

Nikki: I have not laughed at her as much ever, but especially in this episode, the whole mole situation at the gas station at his house where Charlene is putting the pieces together that he has a mole.

Nikki: And Mary Jo says, I'm so sorry, she had a very bad experience with.

Salina: A mole as a yeah, okay, okay.

Nikki: And then she says later, and this might not have hit you as funny because it was not nice to Mr.

Nikki: EA, but he said, good night, sleep tight, don't let the bugs bite.

Nikki: And she said, yes, and may you also be so fortunate.

Salina: No, it made me laugh.

Salina: She was so funny.

Nikki: She was just so funny.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: Did any of the characters stick out to you in this episode?

Nikki: Other than.

Salina: Mean, I don't know that anybody really stuck out for.

Nikki: Um, I had a note that Anthony's family is from Alabama.

Nikki: I don't think we've learned think I.

Salina: Think maybe we'll finally start to get some bio on him.

Salina: I think maybe a lot of that's because we didn't know if he was going to stick around.

Salina: Right.

Nikki: I mean, not we knew he was.

Salina: Going to be there, but I guess maybe they did some of that between season one and two when they were like, oh, well, it's not just going to be five episodes.

Salina: He's going to be like a series regular now.

Salina: So one thing that really struck me, too, on this episode, I guess if we're going to talk about a specific character, is Charlene, who we see, again, has a big trust and appreciation for psychics.

Nikki: Yeah, we hear about her psychic a lot.

Nikki: That needs to go on the old bingo card.

Salina: Yeah, put that one right on there.

Salina: The last time was in season one, she went to go see, I guess she seems the same psychic.

Salina: Every time it was about meeting a husband.

Salina: This time it's about meeting a husband again.

Nikki: There's a theme to their conversations.

Salina: There is.

Salina: I'm also like, I'm a little surprised that they don't poke more fun at.

Nikki: Her, but at the psychic or at yep.

Nikki: Ah, okay.

Salina: The combo of the two, because it feels like everybody else who works there probably would think that's a bunch of hooey.

Salina: And so I'm surprised they just maybe it's just because it's Charlene and they're.

Nikki: Just like, just go with whatever.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: On that note about Charlene, by the same token, her trust in people, the way Eldon ends up as part of this drawing or this raffle is that Charlene is dropping off sugar Baker's business cards at liquor stores and dry cleaners.

Salina: Yeah, it's her fault.

Salina: It's her fault.

Nikki: Is it her fault or her destiny?

Salina: Her destiny.

Salina: That's really funny.

Salina: Were you caught off guard by the fact that he wound up being the person that the psychic told her about?

Salina: I don't know how that one got me, but it did.

Nikki: What do you mean?

Salina: I didn't expect them to write into the story that Eldon was going to be the guy with the mole.

Nikki: Really?

Salina: And the initials EA.

Salina: I didn't know that that was going to be like, a better part of the episode.

Salina: Her trying to figure out whether or not this is her future husband, which obviously she's for the reasons that the show bill's not excited about that.

Nikki: I'm going to just back up to your episode description and say, I feel like that was a gaping hole in your episode description and does Charlene meet her future husband?

Nikki: Only time will tell.

Salina: Yeah, it's like nobody cared about it, but it's the whole thing.

Salina: The episode is kind of built around, but it was just like, pass.

Salina: So I don't know, but I was definitely thrown by that.

Salina: But Eldon's not perfect.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: No, let me be clear about that.

Salina: He's not as a client.

Salina: So I wrote down all of the things that happen leading up to when Julia goes off on him.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: Because I think that's really important, because even the first time I watched this, I was like, man, she's being real mean after this raffle and he wins or whatever.

Salina: It's been two weeks that they've been working with him, and he's been through three wallpapers, two floor coverings, eleven sofas, four end tables, and 16 lamps.

Salina: At some point, he requests a vibrating bed with a paybox, as we all do, and a revolving screen lamp with a camp scene.

Salina: He also wants everything to be red, white, and blue to match the flag.

Salina: And he wants a flagpole in the middle of the room.

Salina: The wallpaper incident alone would be enough for me to want to hurt someone physically.

Nikki: He just wants what he's paying for.

Nikki: Oh, wait a minute.

Salina: Right?

Salina: It's free.

Nikki: He's got high standards.

Salina: Right.

Salina: Did you have any other things that really hit you about this one?

Nikki: It's a goofy setup, but it made for some really funny interactions between the characters.

Nikki: And I think they had to play up Eldon as obnoxious and dirty and all those things because he had to be the polar opposite of these kind of like, middle to upper class women.

Salina: Yes.

Salina: So on that note, this is a good time probably to ask this is Eldon a Southern stereotype?

Nikki: Oh, I did not take it that way.

Salina: You did not?

Nikki: I didn't know.

Nikki: I took him as an urban stereotype.

Salina: With the red, white, and blue flag that he won't.

Nikki: That's a good point.

Nikki: That's a good point.

Nikki: I didn't think about that.

Salina: We are also looking through things through a 2021 lens.

Salina: That's true.

Nikki: That's true.

Salina: That might be shading things.

Salina: Well, I am going to tell you that I do think that it was, and I'll tell you why.

Salina: Again, these are stereotypes.

Salina: So I'm not saying this a doesn't exist in some form or fashion, but I think the flip side of that is for someone to look at or see a depiction of someone in the south and be like, oh, all Southerners, that's where the problem comes in, right?

Salina: And so for me, it was like, this is what I think.

Salina: Someone who regularly hears jokes about the south and the TV in the TV, okay, on the TV, hasn't ever really visited in there, doesn't really leave, you know, this might be what they picture.

Salina: Someone who doesn't have a lot of means, who doesn't seem educated, is seemingly ignorant about things, and doesn't seem to understand social cues.

Nikki: And see, I would think the same is true of A.

Nikki: I said he seems like an urban stereotype to me, because I would think that is what people think of a homeless person in downtown Atlanta, in downtown Manhattan.

Nikki: I know he's not homeless, but I think that feels to me, it's in the same vein of what I think people would assume about a person like that, whether they live in Atlanta or up north.

Salina: Interesting.

Salina: Okay, well, look, you can go.

Salina: I know.

Salina: Poor Eldon.

Nikki: Poor Eldon.

Nikki: He couldn't catch a break.

Salina: I had a few stray observations on this one.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: I like the stray ones.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: We had a conversation.

Salina: I don't want to take it down, but in the finale, we were like, are they ever going to mention what happened to Mary Jo?

Nikki: No.

Salina: And I think we both were like, no, they're not.

Salina: And we learned today they're definitely not.

Salina: And again, we're talking about her near sexual assault with the really terrible client in the season finale.

Salina: And so just want to kind of wrap that up that we were right.

Salina: We get to be in the right column occasionally.

Nikki: Occasionally, right.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: And then also we said in the finale finale, like, we were going to be on the lookout for Dixie Carter and whether or not she looked different because she reportedly have work done between seasons one and seasons two that she was very vocal about.

Salina: I think that's really the only reason I'm willing to talk about this, to be honest, because I like to be very that is along with people's other right to choose other things, it's also your right to choose whether or not to have work done.

Salina: So I don't want to ever make anybody feel guilty about that.

Salina: Did you notice anything different?

Nikki: I'm so not observant about things like that.

Nikki: And I was even on the lookout in season one to see she just never looked old to me.

Nikki: She just never looked like someone who needed to have work done.

Salina: We can all only dream of looking like Julia Sugar Baker.

Salina: For her to be in her late 40s, just still like, she's a beautiful woman.

Nikki: She's obviously more mature than the other cast members, but not in a like, she looks like grand Sophia.

Nikki: Right?

Nikki: She looks like Sophia from Golden Girls, but more in.

Nikki: Just like, she's just got that air about her.

Salina: She looks swagger.

Nikki: She really does.

Nikki: So this is my long winded way of saying, no, I didn't really notice it.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: So I just wanted to check in on that because that was one thing that we wanted to be on the lookout for.

Salina: I had a lot of close observations in this one.

Salina: Oh, my yeah, a lot.

Nikki: Okay, jump in.

Salina: I'm going to start with the positives that there were, like Suzanne.

Nikki: Oh, no, they're not all positives.

Salina: They're not all positive.

Nikki: Hold on.

Nikki: Let me adjust in my seat so I can hear more.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: You good?

Nikki: I'm good.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: So Suzanne at the beginning, is just wearing a really beautiful green color.

Salina: I feel like.

Salina: Do you actually remember this?

Nikki: I do.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: I think it was more of like an emerald green.

Salina: And then it's interesting because then as a sister, julia was also rocking some green in the episode.

Salina: She was wearing, like, a really beautiful green skirt, like, right when she was ripping Elvin a new one.

Salina: It's that scene, guys, if you want to go take a look.

Salina: And I just feel like it's hard sometimes to look at 80s fashion and be like, gorgeous.

Salina: It's gorgeous.

Salina: So when I see them, like, the ones that look really nice and they're not like overly 80s ish want to call it out?

Nikki: The jewel tones always draw me in like an emerald color or even like the fuchsia, but is like, that really beautiful.

Nikki: Almost like garnet color.

Nikki: It's more red, less fuchsia, but not super red.

Nikki: I think the jewel tones were really the jewel of 80s fashion.

Salina: There you go.

Nikki: It's too loud.

Nikki: I don't usually find myself in jewel tones now, but they can really pull it off.

Salina: Well, it's also interesting, too.

Salina: I'm just quick side comment here.

Salina: This idea.

Salina: A lot of times when there's like these 80s parties and these 90s parties, everybody's just, like, trying to look like crap, kind of.

Salina: So they put together all the worst, most hideous things.

Salina: Yes, it captures almost like these more stereotypical things, but not like this daily business wear and things like that that people are wearing.

Salina: So it does feel like very different.

Salina: It's not like any of these women are coming in in like neon oversized sweaters and tights leg warmers.

Salina: So the other thing that I wanted to say real quickly is that we're getting some repeats on outfits.

Nikki: Oh.

Nikki: So first of all, not observant.

Salina: In the raffle scene, charlene is wearing a purple dress that she wore in the Monet Monica episode where her high school friend comes back.

Nikki: How do you remember this?

Salina: Because I can't forget those puff sleeves.

Salina: It looked like because I remember thinking that the dress reminded me of the wicked queen in Snow White.

Salina: And then there she is again in these puffed purple sleeves.

Nikki: It's just like a really standout okay.

Salina: So, well, you're going to love all this then, because I also saw Suzanne Is in a rerun.

Nikki: No, refuse to believe it.

Salina: It doesn't even match her character.

Salina: But she is in the very last scene where they all take a picture together and she's still acting like a butthead.

Salina: She's like, moving away.

Salina: She's like, don't touch me.

Salina: Anyways, she's in the peach dress that she wears in the beauty contest, which is the pageant episode.

Nikki: Oh, man.

Nikki: They were not expecting us to watch these two seasons back to back on repeat, were they?

Salina: They just didn't even know what they had coming down the path.

Nikki: They thought they were going to get.

Salina: Away with it, but they're not.

Salina: I am on the case.

Salina: Thank goodness.

Salina: Anyways, so one other thing that we were on the lookout for was Mary Jo was finally supposed to get a wardrobe upgrade, right?

Salina: So earlier when you were talking about Mary Jo, like, being your standout character, I think you heard me go when were asking questions, because all I could think about was her terrible kimono outfit in this one.

Nikki: Oh, no.

Nikki: I don't even remember that.

Salina: Are you serious?

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: This is why I should always have the show pulled up when we're doing this.

Salina: Anyways, I'll show you.

Salina: I was just like it was swallowing her whole, her 100 pound body.

Nikki: She's so petite.

Salina: Yeah, I know.

Salina: She's so petite.

Salina: She's beautiful.

Salina: Justice for Annie Potts.

Nikki: See?

Nikki: And I was focused on her personality, her glimmering, gleaming personality, and all you could think about was appearance.

Salina: Salina, I'm so surface.

Salina: Do you have any stray observations or anything that hit you there?

Nikki: I just have to ask the question.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: We have to talk about the cheek sneak when they were trying to find the mole on Eldon's cheek.

Salina: Sure.

Salina: Do we need to be clear about which cheek it is?

Nikki: Do you have someone in your life that would ask you to do that and you would say yes?

Nikki: Because I have to tell you that's.

Salina: A lot of different things going on there.

Nikki: I did not think Julia was going to be Charlene's cheek sneak partner.

Nikki: I would have thought.

Salina: Yeah, yeah, I get that.

Salina: But is it possible?

Salina: So that's like three different start.

Salina: Let me start, and I'm going to go backwards to your question.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: So you're confused that it was Julia.

Salina: I agree.

Salina: I don't think that Julia would normally be willing to pull down a man's pants while he's passed out on her couch.

Salina: It looks like she's about to have her own too moment.

Salina: I'm telling you what which was delightful.

Nikki: It really was.

Nikki: The way she was stradling him was so funny.

Salina: It was everything.

Salina: But wouldn't Julia finally give in just to have somebody shut up?

Nikki: That's true.

Salina: That's the only way I can make it make sense.

Salina: But that doesn't answer your question.

Nikki: But I do I have to stop in the interest of not being hypocritical.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: You're down someone's pants.

Nikki: Super boundary pushing.

Nikki: Super boundary pushing.

Nikki: She should not have done that.

Nikki: It made for a lot of humor because I don't know why.

Nikki: I don't know why it's funny that she was doing that, but that man tried to she was trying to prove a point, I think, and it was surface.

Nikki: She just needed one quick sneak.

Nikki: Yeah, she wasn't trying to take advantage of him.

Salina: Oh.

Salina: Do you feel like we need to say that in case people think that.

Nikki: It feels hypocritical to be like, it was so hilarious.

Nikki: She was disrobing this man on her couch and then to be like, it's fair.

Salina: It's the same reason that I'm struggling with this idea of the way that they were treating him like he was subhuman at some points of the show without being like, let's take a minute, get real serious about this sitcom.

Salina: But I do see that, and I see what you're saying, too.

Salina: Honestly, you should probably never be pulling down anyone's pants.

Nikki: That's the lesson here, guys.

Salina: But always the lesson.

Nikki: We'll suspend reality for a second because it was really hilarious to watch Julia straddle him on the couch and not.

Salina: In, like a it wasn't sexual.

Nikki: Watch the episode.

Nikki: It's not sexual.

Salina: Not at all.

Salina: She's wearing oven mitts.

Nikki: It's all business.

Salina: It's all business.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: She's got an investigation to complete.

Salina: Well, and it's not sexual at all because the whole purpose is she's trying to find out if he has a mole on his b*** that would ultimately make him Charlene's future husband.

Salina: And Charlene is having, like, a meltdown about it and won't shut up.

Nikki: So then Julia jumps in to control the.

Salina: I think is that's what I think is going on?

Salina: But you asked a question, would I do that for someone?

Nikki: I think I know the answer, but I have to ask the question.

Salina: Is your answer that you think it's yes?

Nikki: Yes.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: And I think you have a list of like, twelve people you would do.

Salina: It for or I've already done it for.

Salina: So I just feel like now, would that happen?

Salina: I don't know.

Salina: I can tell you.

Salina: I've been to a psychic.

Salina: Okay, good.

Salina: Well, I'm just saying, like, what behaviors match up?

Salina: I kind of put it in the.

Nikki: Category of, like, I have a friend with whom we have an agreement that if anything were to happen to her, my number one goal is to get to her phone first.

Nikki: So that similar to the off air conversation we were just having.

Nikki: Embarrassing text messages and Google search histories do not make their way out into the world.

Nikki: So the question is not with I should maybe that should be part of our will.

Nikki: I don't know.

Nikki: This is a friend of mine.

Nikki: He's sort of on his own.

Nikki: I don't know, he's never asked me.

Salina: You're on your own, buddy.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: Sorry, Kyle.

Nikki: So it's that question of, like, this is that best friend in the world?

Nikki: Like, would you do something like this?

Nikki: And I think for that same friend.

Salina: Just putting it that way, for that.

Nikki: Same friend, I do think I would be willing to help.

Nikki: Whatever they need, whatever it took.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: So that was my last stray observation.

Nikki: I was sitting there.

Nikki: That was the thing I was fixated on, was this crazy thing and these two characters doing this crazy thing together.

Nikki: It is not the two characters I would have put to do it.

Nikki: And then it led me down the thought process.

Salina: Fair enough.

Salina: Maybe Mary Jo couldn't move around in her kimono.

Nikki: Full circle.

Nikki: It's full circle.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: So we had like, a fair amount of general reactions, and one of us had a lot of stray observations.

Salina: It's not important who it's not important.

Nikki: They know who they know.

Salina: But now let's talk about the things that we really, really liked about the episodes.

Salina: Start us off.

Salina: Nikki, what did you really like about season two, episode one?

Nikki: I am feeling a little self conscious about my main sort of what I really liked.

Nikki: Given the fact that you feel like they mistreated Eldon very badly because I really liked the storyline, I thought it was silly.

Nikki: I thought it was really far fetched, but I just thought it made for some really clever lines and some really quick comedy, and I just thought it was funny.

Salina: I don't think we're miles apart on this.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: It's the very first thing I said is I thought the general setup of the episode is interesting, realistic, and I like that it builds on season think.

Nikki: In the sense that this storyline exists because Sugar Bakers is in financial.

Salina: I think I don't like that they're struggling, but I like that they're not like, you know what?

Salina: Let's open a business, and then it's, like, super successful.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: It would be the equivalent of the friend's apartment.

Salina: Right?

Salina: Like.

Salina: Oh, okay.

Salina: Sure.

Salina: You're 22, and you have, like, a $10,000 a month apartment or however much it would be.

Salina: So I thought that was good, actually.

Salina: I don't know if you felt this way, but I just like the raffle idea.

Nikki: Oh, yeah.

Salina: I thought that was so good.

Nikki: Yeah, it gets even better when you start putting your business card in liquor stores and you just open up your potential clientele every time.

Salina: I mean, I don't think the dry cleaner was the problem, so that made me laugh.

Salina: She was like, liquor stores and dry.

Nikki: Cleaners, not the dry cleaner.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: I'm like, okay, well, one of those.

Salina: I could see how it was a little dicey, but she's like and elementary schools, so I don't know.

Salina: But I also just love a good before after.

Nikki: Oh, yeah.

Salina: And by before after, guys, I mean, like, before, look at this place, and then after look at this place before after storyline that brings different people from different walks of life together.

Salina: That's what you were talking about at the top.

Salina: Love it.

Nikki: So that was my only other thing to say that I really, really loved was the overall concept of everybody's worth Knowing.

Nikki: And we've talked before about how Julia can be.

Nikki: She's supposed to be open minded and liberal, but in practice, she can be really close minded and very classist.

Nikki: I think she is hypocritical in the way that she judges Suzanne for some of the way that she approaches, like, money and class, but they're, like the same.

Nikki: Julia's not that far off.

Nikki: So I liked how we got to see both sides of that coin, and it circles around to this nice concept of everybody's worth knowing, and you bring this level of person together with this level of person, and they realize they're not that far.

Salina: Yeah, absolutely.

Salina: So I loved all of that, the merging together of hearts and minds.

Nikki: I loved it.

Salina: It's wonderful.

Salina: I don't know why.

Salina: So you had a couple of lines for Mary Jo that really made you laugh.

Salina: After their initial consultation, eldon comes back into the gas station house area and not to retrieve his cigarettes, but his cigarette butts.

Salina: And it shouldn't have made me laugh the way that it did, but it just really cracked me up, which I can't even explain it, but really got me.

Salina: We've already talked about the mole scene, but that was a highlight for me.

Nikki: Oh, that was so funny.

Nikki: And when Anthony comes in and Julia says, Anthony, he's like, what is happening?

Nikki: She's like, Anthony, it would take far too long to explain, but basically we've ruined the business and taken up with this person since you've been gone.

Salina: So I thought that this part had like it was absurd and it was ridiculous, and we've already talked about that, except we've both admitted we would also do the same thing.

Salina: So maybe it's not that ridiculous, but it had the crispest, funniest lines I thought of the entire episode, and it's the first time we've seen Anthony since Grand Slam.

Salina: Thank you, ma'am.

Nikki: Good grief.

Salina: Really?

Salina: Episode for that?

Nikki: Oh, that didn't strike me.

Salina: Yeah, because he wasn't in the finale.

Nikki: Oh, right.

Nikki: Hill.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: This idea of everyone's worth knowing.

Salina: So this lesson is sort of weaved throughout the episode, and I like that the lesson learned came from Eldon specifically because they were treating him as less than.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: And my one critique would be my one critique shut up, Salina.

Salina: One critique would be that I wish that they would have really just have let him be someone who reads O'Henry versus having turned that into a joke.

Nikki: Being surprised that he reads O'Henry.

Salina: Well, he was like, oh, I just picked it up in a Trails magazine.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: But I wanted him to have a nice collection of books.

Nikki: I see what you mean.

Salina: I didn't feel like they needed to make it into a joke, but it's fine that they did.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: Fine.

Salina: And I liked how the whole episode ended, honestly.

Salina: It was a little hokey, but I liked it.

Salina: I mean, they all come together, they decorated his place.

Salina: And I actually really like that gas pump that they turned into a fish tank.

Salina: Oh, I thought that was real cute.

Nikki: Could you know my one thing I didn't like?

Salina: The gas pump they turned into a fish tank?

Nikki: No, the final design of Eldon's place.

Nikki: You know, in Christmas vacation, the neighbor's house.

Salina: Oh, yeah.

Nikki: It's all, like, black lacquer and, like, red or maroon.

Salina: That's what rich meant, then?

Nikki: Oh, I know.

Nikki: And I just it's not for me.

Salina: Yeah, it is.

Salina: Very late 80s, early ninety s.

Salina: It just felt where everybody's like toilets black for no apparent reason.

Nikki: We were at a restaurant with a black toilet the other day, and it was very disarming.

Salina: And you leave immediately.

Nikki: Landon was like, Mommy, have you ever seen a black toilet before?

Nikki: A black potty?

Nikki: And I was like, yes, Landon.

Nikki: Yes, I have.

Nikki: They're not my favorite.

Salina: I want to see what's going on when I'm in a public space.

Salina: If you peed on the toilet, I need to know about.

Nikki: It.

Nikki: This is my charlene rabbit hole for this episode.

Nikki: Apparently, because we stayed at an airbnb one time that had a black can in a black shower and I cannot tell you how disarming it's disarming, right.

Nikki: And super uncomfortable.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: Did not like like, I think again, they're going for this look of, like, luxury, and I get that.

Salina: But at the same time, I think then again, it's like fashion sort of time moves on and things change.

Salina: And I think it's just the same way that we realize no, you want those things to be lighter because it opens up the space.

Nikki: I just want to know it's clean.

Salina: I also want to make sure that no one died in there.

Salina: If there are blood stains, I need to know.

Nikki: But I'm sure there are people who liked my I think we've talked a lot so far.

Nikki: This episode about how the ladies treated eldon, which was I'm totally on board, was not always super fair and not always super appropriate.

Salina: That's the most southern I've ever heard you be.

Nikki: Oh, really?

Salina: Oh, girl.

Salina: I had to jump in and say it.

Nikki: I didn't even hear it the way.

Salina: You just said fair.

Salina: Oh, I wish we could play it back.

Salina: No.

Salina: I'm so excited.

Salina: We're turning her southern, guys.

Salina: We're turning her southern accent.

Nikki: I was going to say always been southern.

Nikki: It's just the accent.

Nikki: So they weren't always super fair to him.

Nikki: And that I'm totally on board with.

Nikki: But I thought that it made for really clever writing.

Nikki: But the only thing I didn't like was that design just wasn't for me.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: You want to talk about the things we don't like?

Nikki: I'm there.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: I guess I've already talked about mine.

Nikki: That was it.

Salina: That's strong.

Salina: That speaks to the strength of this episode.

Salina: I've already talked about just it was just watching them treat him roughly.

Nikki: Not fair.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: And I mentioned too, also, like, Suzanne acting weird in that picture.

Salina: That's it.

Salina: Otherwise, I thought that this was a good episode.

Salina: It did take me twice to get it.

Salina: I will tell you something that I think is changing in season two.

Nikki: What's up?

Salina: Which I think is good news.

Salina: So we talked a lot in the last season about know, once you watch something six times, it's not as enjoyable anymore.

Salina: The episodes we've watched so far, when I'm watching them again, I'm liking them.

Nikki: Good.

Salina: So good.

Salina: You go LBT.

Salina: Yeah, you go and then go over here.

Salina: Come on our show.

Salina: So, Nikki uh huh?

Salina: Do you want to rate this sucker?

Nikki: I do.

Salina: Oh, that felt good.

Salina: I haven't said that in a long time.

Nikki: You haven't?

Nikki: It's been a while.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: What's the rating scale?

Salina: Oh, I wonder if ours are going to be similar.

Nikki: Sneaky cheek peaks.

Salina: Oh, that's so good.

Salina: Mine was b*** cheek moles.

Salina: That's what I call a rousing.

Salina: Good start for season two.

Salina: Well, tell us, Nikki, how many sneaky peaky cheekies do you have over there?

Nikki: I'm giving it four sneaky cheek peeks.

Salina: Wow.

Nikki: It's not quite a five, but I thought the writing was really clever.

Nikki: Mary Jo was so delightful.

Nikki: She was just so funny.

Nikki: I think in a way, we haven't seen her be funny.

Nikki: You know how I feel about Charlene.

Nikki: You know how I feel about Suzanne.

Nikki: And I feel like I'm coming around on Mary Jo because she got so many good lines in this one.

Nikki: Anthony was on screen for about two and a half minutes, if that, and stole the show every time, every single part.

Nikki: He was in every line, every whatever was hilarious.

Nikki: So I thought it was like you said the word you used.

Nikki: It was an absurd storyline, but it set them up for such clever, crisp writing and I absolutely loved it.

Salina: Nice.

Salina: All right.

Salina: Well, I'm close.

Salina: Okay, mine's three and a half out of five.

Salina: B*** cheek moles.

Nikki: We're instituting the halves now, are we?

Salina: I think I've gone halvesies before, so like I said, I liked them more on know we haven't gotten into this O'Henry reference yet that we get we're going to.

Salina: Just so you know, all that brought in that we'll talk about here momentarily, that all made me like it even more like me going to research some stuff.

Nikki: Oh, okay.

Salina: I'm not like sometimes I'm home.

Salina: I just like to quote O'Henry.

Salina: I'm just really not that well read and I'm a lip.

Salina: Um, I like it when art takes on issues of class, status and wealth.

Salina: And I like it when our characters learn a lesson.

Salina: So it was hitting all those marks for me.

Salina: Said it before, I'll say it again.

Salina: Mold check.

Salina: It was just funny.

Salina: It was just good.

Salina: My half one in one half points off was because I thought the pacing was a little slower than it should have been.

Salina: Oh, maybe they were building that around Eldon like that's the noise that I just hear around him every time he walked on scene.

Salina: I see your face over there.

Nikki: Not sure what's happening.

Salina: That's his theme music.

Salina: And I didn't love this one as a premiere.

Salina: A premiere it did not make for me, but that's why I took that point and a half off.

Salina: But otherwise I thought it was a really solid episode.

Nikki: Oh, good.

Salina: Now, do you remember what a combination of 80s Southern or unknown references?

Nikki: I do.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Did you have any?

Nikki: I have one.

Nikki: The Atlanta Journal.

Salina: We have the same one.

Salina: Oh, okay.

Nikki: Go point at you.

Nikki: So I'm putting this one here because obviously it's Southern, but it's now known as The Atlanta Journal Constitution after the merger of two separate papers.

Nikki: I knew the papers merged at some point, but I had to look up when it happened because I had to know if it was like, what was happening here.

Nikki: So the merge happened in 1982, but according to my research, the titles weren't actually combined into one paper until 2001.

Nikki: So the show is accurate.

Nikki: It would have been the Atlanta Journal and then the other one was the Atlanta Constitution.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: I think only the weekend edition is what went was the real true combination of the two.

Salina: I was really surprised that it was as late as one.

Salina: I did think it had merged more officially before then, the mass head and all of that.

Salina: But also I think it's because I still haven't come to terms with being as old as I am.

Nikki: Correct.

Nikki: I think that's the biggest problem.

Salina: I was like, well, one was like three days ago, right?

Nikki: Correct.

Salina: And then I was like, oh, I'm old, right.

Salina: Oh, okay.

Salina: Anything else on the AJC that you wanted to share?

Salina: Nope.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: The only thing I'll say, I got two things.

Salina: One is that it is the largest daily paper in the southeast.

Salina: So go us.

Salina: And then Margaret Mitchell wrote for the Sunday paper.

Nikki: I did know that.

Nikki: Yeah, I found that in my research.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: Margaret Mitchell wrote Gone with the Wind.

Salina: Yes, I found that in my research, too.

Salina: I should be very clear that I did not just have that AJC fact in my back pocket.

Salina: That feels important.

Salina: 80s things.

Salina: What you got?

Nikki: I had desi.

Nikki: Arnez Jr.

Nikki: Was a reference early in the episode.

Nikki: He was probably like eighty s and earlier.

Nikki: But I'm putting him in the 80s bucket, reading the newspaper in line at the bank, encyclopedia Britannica and the concept of all the encyclopedias so much wallpaper.

Salina: Oh, good point.

Nikki: Wallpaper is coming around again.

Salina: It is.

Nikki: But my lord, they talked about wallpaper so much and the vibrating bed with a paybox.

Salina: All right, well, I think artillists are pretty similar there.

Salina: Now, I did have reading your coworkers a news story from the physical paper that felt pretty 80s are dated, I think decided for this one.

Salina: I do have a question for you about Desi.

Nikki: No, I was afraid you're going to ask that.

Nikki: I have literally nothing written down about him.

Salina: Oh, perfect.

Salina: Then I'll ask anyway.

Nikki: Perfect.

Salina: Why are you considering him an 80s reference?

Nikki: Because we don't have like seventy s or sixty s references or references to Lucille Ball.

Nikki: And he's not Southern.

Nikki: So that's the category he fit for me.

Salina: Junior, the son.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Southern things.

Nikki: Now I feel like I need to dig into your skepticism of my lumping.

Salina: No.

Nikki: Did you put him somewhere else?

Salina: Well, so we sort of broadened the category of references I had to look up or we need to talk about.

Salina: And so I threw them so I threw them over there.

Salina: Threw them over there.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: We both did the same thing.

Salina: We didn't know where to put them.

Salina: But that reference stood out to us.

Nikki: We knew he needed to go somewhere.

Salina: We needed to talk about Desi.

Nikki: We need to talk about Desi.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: That's like the title of a movie, I think.

Salina: Put that on the list of things for us to do.

Salina: So southern things.

Nikki: Biloxi, Mississippi, which is where Charlene Psychic is from, valdosta, which is the city in South Georgia.

Nikki: The, quote, two winners got down on the floor and just beat the tar out of each other.

Salina: Don't get more Southern than that.

Nikki: And then outhouse.

Nikki: And I have something here.

Nikki: So this is not exclusively Southern.

Nikki: They've been used for centuries, and they've been used in other countries.

Nikki: But for some reason, I think talking about Southern stereotypes, they tend to be associated with the south.

Nikki: So I'm putting it in here for anyone who doesn't know, an outhouse is a place where you go outside.

Nikki: It is literally a little tiny house outside.

Nikki: You go and do your business.

Nikki: And I'm really only bringing it up to share with you that at Stone Mountain, which is landmark here in the metro Atlanta area.

Nikki: Wikipedia says you can find an opulent 19th century antebellum example.

Nikki: It's called a three Holeer.

Salina: Oh, no.

Nikki: And it's at the plantation area of the state park.

Salina: I got so many dirty jokes running through my head right now.

Salina: I think you just broke my brain.

Nikki: I had my engagement pictures taken in the Stone Mountain area, sitting on it, but I saw no three hole.

Nikki: It's on my list of things.

Nikki: I've been to Stone Mountain a zillion times.

Nikki: I've never seen the three hole.

Salina: Well, whenever you're ready to take the.

Nikki: Show on the road, that's all I got.

Salina: Salina okay, that's a good point about outhouses.

Salina: Did your grandparents have an outhouse, or did they have indoor plumbing?

Nikki: I think by the time I came along well, I mean, like, before you were born.

Nikki: Oh, my mom's side of the family.

Salina: Yes.

Nikki: I believe when my mom was growing up, they used an outhouse.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: When your mom was growing up, too.

Nikki: I believe that's true.

Salina: Wow.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: My mom's parents were they lived in a rural area, and they were older when my mom was young, and I think they just hadn't fully adopted indoor plumbing yet.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: I think that's accurate.

Nikki: My mom's not listening, so she can't correct me.

Nikki: So I'm going to lean in on it.

Nikki: Lean in.

Nikki: And then maybe one day, ten years from now, when mom listens, she can.

Salina: Correct me because I feel like my grandparents, maybe one grandma always had indoor plumbing.

Salina: They make fun of her.

Salina: They're like you so rich.

Salina: And then the other three do with that what you will.

Salina: And then the other three all had outhouses when they were we not going.

Salina: Well, when they were going, but also when they were quite small.

Salina: Yes, quite small.

Nikki: I am sure my other grandparents all had outhouses growing up because they all grew up in rural parts of South Carolina.

Nikki: My mom's parents is the closest generationally to me, and it's all about me.

Salina: This is another sidebar that I am terrified of.

Salina: Porta potties.

Salina: Terrified.

Salina: Isn't it weird I mean, I'll go I'll do it because it's either that or pee my pants.

Salina: Although I'm often in a heavy debate with myself.

Salina: But I am just so scared I'm going to get locked in there.

Nikki: That's your fear, my proof.

Salina: But what am I?

Salina: I'm alone.

Nikki: You're afraid of getting locked in there.

Salina: With pee and poop.

Nikki: See, I'm afraid of just like everything is right under you.

Salina: Yes.

Salina: It's just no good.

Salina: What if it gets dumped over?

Nikki: What if a snake comes up out of it?

Salina: Well, there's a new one for me that it's going to scare the tar out of me.

Nikki: And it's extra funny because it's tar in a porta potty.

Salina: I'm like, over here crying.

Salina: Okay, so we mentioned another Southern thing at the top, but just to reiterate, alabama, again, where Anthony's family's from.

Salina: I also have biloxi.

Salina: Julia calls the kids in the parking lot.

Salina: She ran into cretans.

Salina: Oh, that felt pretty southern.

Nikki: Really?

Salina: Oh, what is that in origin?

Nikki: It sounds it sounds Greek to me.

Salina: Maybe it's the way she said it.

Salina: Just a bunch of creightons.

Nikki: That was one of my favorite parts of the episode that I should have mentioned was when she did that whole, oh, mama got to get me some of that.

Nikki: That was very funny.

Salina: It was good.

Salina: Oh, I said, um, eldon.

Salina: I didn't know what I meant, but I just think it's a Southern look.

Salina: I was like, what am I talking about?

Salina: And then hemmed and haud.

Salina: That feels Southern.

Salina: And then somebody said at one point, star graving, crazy.

Salina: They were probably referring to Elvin.

Nikki: Oh, yeah.

Salina: But that one stood out for me, too.

Salina: All right, references we need to talk about.

Salina: Desi was at the top of my list.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: I only want to mention that to say that I don't know, like you mentioned, I love Lucy, but so Desi Arnez Jr.

Salina: Is desi Arnez Senior.

Salina: I don't actually know he's a senior, but in his title, in his actual name.

Salina: But he's best known in my mind for playing Ricky Ricardo and I love Lucy, but he was many things.

Salina: Desi ardent senior musician, TV executive, lots of things.

Salina: But his son So Junior is also an actor and a musician.

Salina: In fact, you're not going to know this reference, but I'm going to say it for anybody who will care.

Salina: He was very briefly married to the woman who played Pam Beasley's mom on the So who dates Steve Carell for, like, a hot second.

Salina: And there's, like, two really funny episodes about it.

Salina: We got to get you watching more of the office.

Nikki: Yeah, I got to look up this woman because I probably know her.

Salina: I think you will.

Salina: Okay, so what else do you have in your references?

Nikki: Esso station, same second.

Nikki: Okay.

Nikki: Second.

Nikki: Esso was a trading name for ExxonMobil.

Nikki: It's kind of a long explanation.

Nikki: I will just say it sounds like the name, that name.

Nikki: So station wasn't really used after 1972, and I'm not entirely sure there was ever even an Esso station in Georgia.

Nikki: They were definitely in South Carolina.

Nikki: So Esso was created after Standard Oil broke up, and so after the Standard Oil breakup, standard Oil or so ended up with gas rights in a number of states, but Georgia wasn't listed, so I'm not sure that part was accurate.

Salina: Well, they're owned by ExxonMobil, who I feel like probably more people are familiar with.

Salina: And the only other thing I had written down is that the phonetic pronunciation of Standard Oil, so right.

Salina: And then it's spelled Esso, which caught my I was like, okay, I like a nice you were really in the history.

Salina: And I'm like, okay, what else you got?

Nikki: I think my next one is probably a big one.

Nikki: On yours was Mr.

Nikki: O'Henry and the 400.

Salina: Okay, you want to do it?

Salina: Take us into it.

Nikki: The 400 Million was a collection of short stories by O.

Nikki: Henry, who was an author, and it was actually in response to a newspaper like opinion piece or commentary where the author said there were, quote, only 400 people in New York City who were really worth noticing.

Nikki: And then he goes into something about the census taker and how annoying it is that now we've got this census where they're trying to count all people.

Nikki: There's really only 400 you should be worried about.

Nikki: So then O'Henry ended up saying, making a case that every human being in New York is worthy of knowing.

Nikki: My fun fact about this one, to bring it back full circle Southern, is that O'Henry.

Nikki: Was born William Sidney Porter in North Carolina.

Salina: Oh, look at you.

Salina: Okay, well, we went at this from two different angles.

Nikki: Perfect.

Salina: It's great.

Salina: We're going to fully round.

Nikki: We've got two different mics.

Salina: Well, that's the title of our next podcast.

Salina: Be watching out for us on two mics.

Salina: It's a wondery podcast.

Salina: It's not.

Salina: It's not, guys, we're not Wondery.

Nikki: Wondery doesn't know about us.

Salina: No, but they will.

Salina: Anyways, so the guy who wound up naming those 400 people, this happens during the Gilded Age.

Salina: He was named Ward McAllister.

Salina: He was a tastemaker of his day.

Salina: And I've got another Southern connection for you in a second.

Salina: But he was like the gatekeeper of New York City's, creme de la creme.

Salina: So that's why he winds up naming these 400 people.

Salina: And one of the things that I read was that actually the reason he winds up naming all of these people officially, because they released a list of these people's names, is because he was annoyed because they kept getting it wrong.

Salina: You don't even have the right 400 people.

Salina: That only matter.

Salina: And there's our Southern connection.

Salina: He's southern kind of funny.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: You're like, Why is this New York guy got this Southern accent?

Salina: So Ward McAllister is actually from Savannah, and so all these uppercrust names wind up being published in The New York Times because of him.

Salina: Everybody's p***** at him because they didn't want their name published.

Salina: People so weird in the Gilded Age.

Salina: But anyways, so he gets a lot of backlash over it.

Salina: And I'm just going to say again that we may have a lot of problems, but Americans are funny.

Salina: We're not always doing our best, but we are funny.

Salina: So when all of this happens and everybody's mad at him, the papers start calling him instead of McAllister, they start calling him the Make A Lister.

Nikki: Perfect.

Salina: That just really got me.

Salina: But anyways, so, yeah, I am glad that you talked about O'Henry and brought in that piece of the pie, because I think that's really important.

Salina: And what we're trying to say, guys, if you take away two things from this, don't pull down people's pants.

Salina: And also, all people are worth knowing.

Salina: Thanks for tuning in.

Nikki: No, I'm just kidding.

Salina: We've added a new section, cut Lines.

Nikki: Yep.

Salina: So, like, all last season, we had this whole thing where we realized Nikki astutely Googled.

Salina: And I mean, you can say that, but I Googled for Designing Women's scripts, too, and I couldn't find them.

Salina: So that's how she is.

Salina: Good.

Salina: I'm terrifying and I just am here.

Salina: But so what we started doing was comparing scripts, and almost every episode we're sitting here talking about lines that got cut out.

Salina: And so we were like, let's start officially tracking them.

Salina: So I just want to ask you, I counted five places where lines were cut same.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: And was there anything that felt like because we don't want to go through all of them, but anything felt like.

Nikki: A misstep to you that they shouldn't have cut?

Salina: Yeah, it made the show less clear.

Nikki: Or something not less clear, necessarily.

Nikki: There was one at the very beginning where Mary Jo and Suzanne are talking about psychics, and the line ended with Suzanne saying something like, if I want something to happen, I just go out and make it happen.

Nikki: But there's more after that.

Nikki: The cut line is that's because you haven't seen the receipts this month, we're going to be lucky to break even.

Nikki: That was a really long winded way of me saying it added urgency to this situation they're in.

Salina: So we're doing a podcast, you guys.

Salina: That's the definition of a podcast.

Salina: The long winded way of saying something.

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: So that was one part that I thought was a missed up.

Nikki: And then there was this newspaper thing that was floating in the background.

Nikki: We talked about the Atlanta Journal.

Nikki: So Eldon has they've engaged The Atlanta Journal to tell his story so that not his story to tell the story of the redesign of the gas station because the women need some press.

Nikki: And at some point in all of the action, right before think, after Julia goes off on Eldon, someone says, I think I'm thinking Charlie and Julia.

Nikki: Eldon, no, please.

Nikki: Don't go off half cocked and talk to the newspapers.

Nikki: We can discuss this calmly.

Nikki: Then somebody says, there's nothing discussed.

Nikki: Then he says something about the cold day in May in the actual episode.

Nikki: The point is, they leave off this part where they say, please don't go off half cough and talk to the newspapers.

Nikki: And the idea is, please don't go ruin this for us.

Nikki: It's this reminder that this is urgent for the women.

Nikki: This is a big thing for them.

Nikki: And as you and I both know, all press is not good press, and just being in the newspaper is not always a good thing.

Nikki: And it's obvious the women don't want to become a bad story because they need this financially.

Nikki: So those two points together, I feel like, underscore the urgency of the business side of things.

Salina: Okay, so I had that one as that last thing.

Salina: I like your perspective on that.

Salina: I think it makes me less annoyed with our ladies, because for me, when I read it, it was just cutting that line is where they're really saying, like, basically, this is about the publicity for us.

Salina: And it is.

Salina: It definitely is.

Salina: But that, to me, coupled with the way they're treating Eldon, just sort of underscores this idea that he's not a person, he's just a means to an end.

Salina: We're trying to get him out of here and get a good news story out of it.

Salina: And so, again, I don't think anything I'm saying is incorrect.

Salina: It just makes them less palatable in this episode.

Nikki: For me, it's tough because if I'm putting myself in their shoes, that's the way I would have approached it.

Nikki: This was supposed to be so in and out, supposed to be easy.

Nikki: Like, who doesn't want their room redesigned by professional designers?

Nikki: Who is going to be when you're getting something for free, don't ask for 100 crazy things.

Nikki: And then there is that level of class that is, to your point, not palatable.

Nikki: But I can sort of see where they would be like, oh, my gosh, you're getting something for free.

Nikki: Come on, man.

Nikki: This was just supposed to be a nice story in a newspaper.

Salina: That's it.

Salina: The only other thing I thought that would have made it a little bit more clear is it also felt like they could have left in some lines that I think would have built up that frustration.

Salina: So they cut some of the lines that sort of up the ante on that side of things before, like, goes off on him.

Salina: And I think that makes Julia look worse than she actually is, and I thought that was kind of unfortunate.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: So that's pretty much it for me.

Nikki: Okay, well, that wraps up season two, episode one.

Salina: I thought you was going to say season two on the season three.

Nikki: So our next episode is called well, it's episode two.

Nikki: It's called Ted and Tammy or Ted Remarries.

Nikki: We've seen two names.

Nikki: Yeah, it's very OD.

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Nikki: So we're at and hang tight for Extra Sugar.

Nikki: What you got this week?

Salina: This week we're going to be talking about 1987.

Salina: So hold on to your britches or something and we'll see you around the Bins by and welcome to this week's edition of Extra Sugar.

Salina: So as Nikki told you nope, I told you we're going to be talking today about 1987.

Salina: We've been in 1987 for a minute now, actually, but we're going to talk about 1987 today just to sort of like get us in the mind frame of this year as we continue to live in it for the next, however long, for season 222 ish episodes.

Salina: So step back in time with us, if you will.

Salina: And I wanted to just really, just real quickly go over some basics.

Salina: The prices are different.

Salina: That's really what you need to know.

Salina: The dollar doesn't go as far today as it did then.

Salina: That's what you need to know.

Salina: Although I'm waiting for my grandparents or something, any of them, to be like, you don't know how high the gas prices were.

Salina: This was the crisis of I don't know.

Salina: Anyways, that's also not what my grandparents sound like, but it's okay.

Salina: So average cost of a new house, $92,000.

Salina: So if you're looking at the market today, I mean, that sounds real good.

Salina: That's all I'm saying.

Salina: Yeah, it's not a good time to buy a house, guys.

Nikki: Yeah, like half a million dollars for a family sized house right now.

Salina: Yeah, it's bad.

Nikki: It's not good.

Nikki: I zillow a lot.

Nikki: Very familiar with the price of real estate in our area.

Salina: I think most we've talked about is it time to move, blah, blah.

Salina: And then I'm like, no, it's going.

Nikki: To hold out another year.

Salina: Yeah, just enjoy it.

Salina: So average income per year was $24,350.

Nikki: Wow.

Salina: Average price for a new car was about 10,000.

Nikki: Come on now.

Salina: 300, something like that.

Salina: And then a gallon of gas was I'm just going to share two quick inventions just to make you feel old in 1987.

Salina: Disposable contact lenses.

Salina: So we're older than disposable contact lenses.

Salina: Maybe one day that'll be like Betty White being older than sliced bread.

Salina: Bread, yeah.

Salina: Prozac is also approved by FDA.

Nikki: Oh, wow.

Salina: It felt very fitting for 2021.

Nikki: Perfect.

Salina: Yes.

Salina: So the other thing that I really just wanted to do was I found this BuzzFeed article.

Salina: I sent it to you.

Salina: Like I said, we don't want to spend forever talking about how much everything did and didn't cost and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Salina: And all the historical events like I want to talk about TV in 1987 because we're real surface like that.

Salina: So I sent you something and Buzfeed article is called this is what the World Looked Like in 1987.

Salina: I would also like to point out that I think there's a typhoon there title.

Nikki: And it's a 2017 article that's lived for quite some time.

Salina: That's great.

Salina: That's great.

Nikki: This is what the world looked like in 1987.

Salina: There were three really big movies that year.

Salina: It's going to take me a while to get over that.

Salina: So just so you know, our sources are good guys, don't worry about it.

Salina: There are three really big movies in 1987 and I want to see if we have any movies that need to go on your watch list.

Salina: Okay, so we have three men and a baby.

Nikki: Seen it.

Salina: That was actually the biggest movie of the year.

Salina: Does that surprise you?

Nikki: A little bit?

Salina: Yeah, I don't think that would happen today.

Nikki: You might be right.

Salina: It's not a Marvel movie.

Nikki: No.

Salina: So I don't know.

Salina: Anyways, I don't see that happening, is all I'm saying.

Nikki: I'm trying to picture it and I think you're right.

Salina: And then I just want to say that this is a very weird year because let's talk about the next two biggest movies that tied.

Salina: It looks like Fatal Attraction.

Salina: Now, have you seen it?

Nikki: I don't think so.

Salina: Are you familiar with the Boyle Bunny plot?

Salina: Okay, so do you know anything about Fatal Attraction?

Nikki: Is Fatal Attraction the one with the leg crossing?

Salina: No.

Salina: That's basic instinct.

Nikki: No.

Nikki: Then I know nothing about I like.

Salina: That the leg crossing is what you took from that.

Salina: Yeah, that's what everybody remembered was her legs crossing.

Nikki: Anyways, I've never seen the movie, so I've only ever seen the edited satire version of it, which is the crossing of the leg.

Salina: The other right.

Salina: So, okay, so it's Michael Douglas.

Salina: I'm like getting really close to my screen.

Nikki: I'm like that's.

Nikki: All right.

Salina: I know.

Nikki: That's why I was holding it up.

Salina: So I can't I don't know how you're seeing that.

Salina: And then also Glenn Close.

Salina: Now I have seen Fatal Attraction.

Salina: So he's married, they sleep together.

Nikki: Perfect.

Nikki: This is good.

Nikki: This is good.

Salina: They have an affair and then the whole point of the movie is like, he drops her like a bad habit with him.

Salina: Yeah, because she's so it's really terrible for lots of reasons, but mainly because we turn this poor woman and I just feel like back then it was like a cautionary tale for men.

Salina: And I feel like today people might look at this and go like, is it perhaps Michael Douglas's fault?

Salina: I'm not saying the things that happened were right.

Salina: And no, you don't stalk someone's family, but maybe you also don't cheat on your partner.

Salina: Anyways, the other movie that tied with that one would be Beverly Hills Cop part Two.

Salina: Have you seen that?

Nikki: I think I have.

Salina: The fact that you're having to say, I think I have.

Salina: So actually there is a connection to this episode.

Salina: So I don't know if it's actually two.

Salina: I think it might just be Beverly Hills Cop, singular, but the guy who plays Eldon plays a bad guy in it.

Nikki: Oh, really?

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: Oh, interesting.

Salina: Look at us with the full circling again circle man.

Nikki: Yeah, 1987 was a big year for him.

Nikki: He got to play a shiftless bum and oh, no, you said it was the original one.

Salina: It might be the original.

Nikki: Darn.

Salina: Nobody wants to hear me go through all of that.

Nikki: But fine.

Salina: So then there was some really big teen movies, so let's do some checking in on that.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: Have you seen Can't Buy Me Love?

Nikki: I have.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: On VH one.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: They used to play it after school a lot.

Salina: Well, the platform, whatever platform is fine.

Nikki: Okay, perfect.

Salina: And have you seen the Lost Boys?

Nikki: I have not.

Salina: Lost Boys is really good.

Nikki: Is it a drama?

Salina: But would you really think it's good in 2021?

Salina: Probably not.

Salina: I mean, it's a movie about vampires.

Salina: Oh, it's like Twilight before there was Twilight.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: I feel like I've seen the trailer for this.

Salina: Yeah, I mean, like Keefer Sutherland's playing like a teenager in it.

Salina: It's all very I don't know.

Salina: All right.

Salina: And then some kind of good.

Salina: Good.

Nikki: Absolutely.

Nikki: That's a good movie.

Salina: If you guys don't know, that's more of like a romantic movie.

Salina: It is not a

Salina: A romantic rom.

Salina: Mendy.

Nikki: How do you put a roman a rom drum.

Salina: Is that a thing?

Nikki: It is now.

Nikki: A drum.

Nikki: Rom.

Nikki: Rom drum.

Nikki: I like that better.

Nikki: Rom drum.

Salina: Yeah, that's good.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: I'm sure it's a thing.

Nikki: I'm not clever.

Salina: I wanted to talk about we're not going to go through every one of these guys because there's a lot of them.

Salina: But we do need to take a stop at the big teen heartthrobs.

Nikki: Oh, please do.

Salina: For 87.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: Please do.

Salina: Because I've got a question on this one.

Salina: So we have Michael J.

Salina: Fox.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Kurt Cameron.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: River Phoenix.

Salina: And Bruce Willis for Teen Heartthrobs.

Nikki: How old was Bruce Willis in 1987?

Salina: I did look, actually, because I was like, what?

Salina: Anyways, he was 32.

Salina: That feels weird, right?

Nikki: That does feel weird.

Nikki: I'm trying to think because so we were having this conversation recently about that show, never have I ever on Netflix, the super hot guy, and I'm forgetting his name right now who's 40.

Nikki: He's 29.

Salina: I would think so.

Nikki: So if you have a character like that playing a teenager, then a 29 year old, that's how a 32 year old becomes a teen heartthrob.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: I don't know what Bruce Willis was up to in 86.

Salina: That's an attractive man who is on that show now.

Nikki: Oh, yeah.

Salina: Okay, so he's an attractive guy.

Salina: He obviously doesn't look 40, but I definitely when I saw that I was like, he's not 16 or however old they're supposed to be in that show.

Salina: You could just tell.

Salina: Yeah, man, they really 9210, that one, didn't they?

Nikki: I'm looking at these covers, though, in this article, and I'm seeing Bon Jovi on both covers.

Nikki: I suspect he was not 1718 at the time.

Salina: Tom Cruise.

Nikki: I'm also seeing Tom Cruise.

Nikki: Maybe 1987 was a weird year.

Salina: Yeah, all years are weird.

Nikki: I can say, though, with full certainty.

Nikki: I get the Michael J.

Nikki: Fox and I get the kurt.

Nikki: Cameron River Phoenix.

Nikki: I'm not super.

Nikki: Like, I know everything he did, but he's never been a touchstone for me.

Nikki: But Kurt Cameron and Michael J.

Nikki: Fox definitely are.

Nikki: And we watched that show we talked about several weeks ago that's like a behind the scenes of movies on Netflix, and one of them was Back to the Future.

Nikki: And I was just looking at Michael J.

Nikki: Fox thinking, I bet the girls loved him because he's adorable and he looks super wholesome, charismatic.

Nikki: Oh, so cute.

Salina: Yeah, I just love him.

Salina: Anyway, maybe River Phoenix wasn't a touch point for you because he did pass.

Nikki: But in like 93 maybe, right?

Salina: 93, 95.

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: I don't know.

Nikki: I think there are a lot of people our age, though, that feel very connected to River Phoenix.

Nikki: I just never felt that.

Nikki: I think it's tragic, obviously, and I know the story, but I don't feel a huge connection to him.

Nikki: But I'm sure he's adorable.

Salina: Sure.

Salina: Now it feels like the other way.

Salina: I don't want to talk about teen boys, you know what I'm saying?

Salina: But see, I don't he may have been like 20 or something.

Nikki: Because I would have been, too.

Salina: Right.

Salina: Totally justified.

Salina: What a hot twelve year old, then?

Salina: I'm just kidding.

Salina: So skipping on down to number six just because I see that some of your ladies are there.

Salina: So we're talking about top ten most watched TV shows in 1987.

Salina: Guys, I'm sorry to say that Designing Women is not among the top ten.

Nikki: Not according to this article.

Salina: No.

Salina: But we do have Cheers and we have Growing Pains and we have The.

Nikki: Girls, the golden ones.

Nikki: The Golden Girls?

Salina: Yes.

Salina: The other female cast.

Nikki: That other one.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: There's going to be two female.

Salina: Just pick one and it's going to.

Nikki: Be The Golden Girls.

Nikki: You should pick according to the critics.

Salina: That's right.

Salina: And then we also have the debut of Full House.

Salina: I mentioned that one specifically, mainly because kids love that show now, which I just think is so interesting.

Salina: The last several years.

Nikki: Full house or Fuller House?

Salina: They love Full House, which, because it was on streaming platforms, I don't know if it was specifically on Netflix, but that's what wound up making Fuller House come back.

Nikki: Doesn't it feel 1987 for Full House to have premiered Feels very early.

Nikki: Again, I would have only been two.

Nikki: Although it should track because we're about the same age as Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen.

Salina: I think some of these like I had that feeling looking through a lot of these things because I don't remember things from when I was two.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: But I have very vivid memories of watching Full House.

Salina: But that's because it was in reruns.

Nikki: Yes, I've seen almost all of them.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: So I think that was a lot of that now.

Salina: So here's something that says that the Muppet Babies make it into Happy Meals.

Salina: That was apparently a big thing in 1987.

Salina: My question for you is just, were you a Muppet Babies fan?

Nikki: Yes.

Salina: Okay, so you watched the cartoon.

Salina: It was great.

Nikki: It was really good.

Salina: Just needed to say that we don't get an actual premiere of The Simpsons as its own standalone series, but it first premieres on The Tracy Olman Show that year.

Salina: And just to say that is still on the yep.

Salina: So that is nuts.

Salina: I mean, I think they've broken every record ever.

Salina: It's crazy.

Salina: Aretha Franklin was the first woman inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 87.

Salina: 1st Woman yeah, 87.

Salina: I feel like I probably should have looked up when the Rock and Roll Holiday.

Salina: I'm waiting for it to be like 82.

Salina: Well, you're over there.

Salina: Google it.

Salina: And I also have my own personal thing that I'm very excited about because it says that gym dolls were very popular that year, in addition to Micro Machines, which I have very vivid memory of those commercials.

Nikki: 1983, rock and Roll Hall of fame was established.

Salina: See, this is why context is important.

Salina: Come on, BuzzFeed, you're missing a word in your title.

Nikki: So you just covered gem dolls.

Nikki: Can we talk about pogo balls?

Nikki: How dangerous do those look?

Salina: So I had a different reaction when I saw the pogo balls.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: I went, God, that looked fun.

Salina: Oh, my God.

Nikki: It's like this ball surrounded by a platform, and it's literally just the ball and a platform, and you're supposed to just jump on that.

Nikki: I don't know one, how you balance.

Nikki: What an incredible feat of core strength.

Nikki: But yeah, it's like moonshoes.

Nikki: Do you remember those?

Nikki: Yes, I had a pair.

Nikki: Oh, yeah.

Nikki: I'm surprised my ankles work because that is like rolled ankle century rolled ankle.

Nikki: I don't know.

Nikki: It's where you roll your ankles.

Nikki: It seems like that's exactly where it would happen.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: I think all toys were more dangerous then.

Nikki: That's true.

Nikki: Micro Machines, what a choking hazard.

Salina: Ladies and gentlemen, over here to our left, we have a mother.

Salina: And you look at everything as a death trap.

Salina: So the only other thing that really caught my attention on this one was Red Bull debuted in Austria.

Salina: Okay, so it clears up something.

Salina: But also I'm like, confused about another point.

Salina: But what it clears up is why the commercials are so weird.

Salina: I'm just saying I doubt that Austrian sense of humor is the same as American sense of humor.

Salina: So I'm trying to say it's just different.

Salina: It's the way that some people don't understand British humor.

Nikki: My question is, did it take Red Bull just a really long time to make it through the FDA?

Salina: Maybe.

Nikki: Because I'm going to tell you, I've never been a big Red Bull fan.

Salina: It's disgusting.

Nikki: Rock stars, though.

Nikki: When I was in college, I got into rock stars and I literally would drink like five a day.

Nikki: And I'm not joking you when I say I graduated college and moved home, I detoxed from rock stars for about two weeks.

Nikki: I would literally shake during the day.

Salina: I had an energy drink phase and I'm going to tell you right now, Nikki Mays, there was an energy drink called cocaine.

Nikki: Oh, I feel like I remember that.

Nikki: I feel like I do remember that.

Salina: How did that get through FDA?

Nikki: This is what I'm saying.

Salina: It burnt my throat.

Salina: This is what I'm saying.

Salina: It was like gasoline.

Nikki: We're usually pretty particular about stuff like that here in the US.

Nikki: A little loosey goosey?

Salina: Yes and no.

Salina: I think a couple don't they say that if white sugar went through today, it wouldn't pass.

Salina: Oh, I'm going to go ahead and say that.

Salina: Guys do fact check me on that because that is something I think I was told and never looked up.

Salina: So for whatever that's worth.

Salina: But yeah, that was other thing that struck me.

Salina: We kind of went at it from two different ways, but I was definitely like rebel.

Salina: Why did it take you so long to get here?

Nikki: Right?

Salina: Because I think of it as like around college age thing.

Salina: When it got here, everybody went crazy over it.

Salina: Also the flavored ones, the original one is just sugar water.

Salina: Okay, let's just call it what it is.

Salina: But they do have other flavors that are better.

Salina: But I'm just like, I want coffee and I want my coffee hot.

Nikki: I've just had such a thing with rockstar that energy drinks in general scare me, so I usually don't.

Nikki: Coffee doesn't count.

Nikki: Coffee's not an energy drink.

Nikki: Are we going to talk about Dirty dancing?

Salina: I just got to it.

Nikki: Oh, okay.

Nikki: I'm still scrolling your list.

Nikki: And when you said that a second ago, I thought you were wrapping up.

Salina: It probably sounded like I was and maybe I was, but it's because I hadn't gotten to Dirty Dancing yet and so I didn't want to talk about some of the other things I was seeing in between.

Salina: Don't worry, guys, we'll post the article.

Salina: You can spend as much time as you want with it.

Salina: So yes.

Salina: So Dirty Dancing was released in 87.

Salina: It becomes an unexpected hit.

Salina: I think in our final finale, we suggested that you go watch the Netflix series, the movies that made US.

Salina: Nikki's like, who are you anyways?

Salina: So they talk about Dirty dancing in that and if you are a dirty dancing fan or not.

Salina: It is just very interesting how they made that movie.

Salina: And it shouldn't have been a hit, but it was.

Salina: I loved it so good.

Salina: I've seen it 1 trillion times.

Nikki: Fun fact, I got that on VHS probably as a five year old for Christmas from my very unassuming grandmother.

Nikki: I never would have guessed she would have sent me Dirty Dancing, but she did.

Nikki: So that movie has been part of my life since I was about five or six.

Nikki: Sure, it's not super inappropriate.

Nikki: There are a couple.

Nikki: Like, the whole abortion storyline I think could be a little intense, but it's worded, so it's like, coded.

Nikki: You kind of have to know what's going on to understand what's happening.

Nikki: So I think a five or six year old probably could watch it.

Nikki: Definitely in the 80s, early 90s.

Nikki: We got away with a lot, but it was just so OD.

Nikki: My grandmother sent me that.

Nikki: Yeah, I get that.

Salina: Well, I mean, like I said, I went and saw a pretty woman with my aunt when I was five.

Nikki: Perfect.

Salina: And I also watched Dirty Dancing.

Salina: I don't know how little I was, but I know I was little.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: And then just we got to give a shout out to two really big cartoons that premiered that year.

Salina: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Salina: The first one.

Salina: I don't want to hear about all this redo stuff.

Salina: I don't want to hear about it because let me tell you why, nikki Mays.

Salina: Why's that turtle in a half shell.

Nikki: Turtle power.

Salina: You got it.

Salina: And DuckTales, only the best theme music.

Nikki: Ever of all my kids love that theme song because we have been going back on I think it's on Disney Plus, but I could be getting my platforms wrong.

Nikki: But it came.

Salina: It is on Disney Plus, so we've.

Nikki: Been watching it with them and they love the song too.

Salina: Yeah, it's an awesome it is awesome theme song.

Salina: So it deserves to be celebrated.

Salina: Well, that's 87 kind of sounds like.

Nikki: It was a good year.

Salina: It's s 87 in a turtle shell.

Nikki: 87 according to Buzfeed.

Salina: That's right.

Nikki: And they're typos, so trust that.

Salina: Trust us.

Salina: And we'll see you next time.

Salina: Thank you for this edition of Extra Sugar.


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