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Designing Women S2 E7 - The One Where Suzanne has More Sense than God Gave a Goose

Updated: Aug 14, 2023

On this week’s “Designing Women” episode, we get a BIG health scare (not as big as season 1, episode 12/13, but a big one nonetheless.) Julia explores her true feelings for Reese, while fending off the romantic advances of one of his lifelong “frenemies.” And, one of our characters has an expected spurt of superhero, while another has to read an...uncomfortable...letter at a former client’s...funeral? Yeah...this one was a wild ride.


And stick around for “Extra Sugar” for our next installment of “Grits Blitz”, Southern trivia-style!


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Transcript

Salina: Hey, Nikki.

Nikki: Hey, Salina.

Salina: And hey, everybody, and welcome to Sweet Tea and TV, the podcast where two Southerners oh, wait, I don't have to do that, right?

Nikki: You don't have to do that.

Salina: It's a bridge too far.

Salina: You know what I'm saying?

Salina: Well, we've got some more Proust to do.

Nikki: I've done some real introspection in the.

Salina: Last few episodes and I'm curious.

Salina: I mean, are other people learning things about themselves?

Salina: You know what?

Nikki: I hope so.

Nikki: And I hope someone will take the time to write us some fan mail and tell us.

Salina: Yeah, and we want you to write it and mail it.

Salina: You just mail it to the Sweet Tea and TV podcast that's at 1234 Oak Drive Lane.

Nikki: I was going to say, first I have to get us a PO.

Nikki: Box.

Nikki: I'll get right on top of that.

Salina: I'm like, scared you're going to come back.

Nikki: And you know how I enjoy the trips to the post office.

Salina: Oh, yeah.

Salina: You guys don't know this, but Nikki, she loves the post office.

Nikki: I do.

Salina: I have been to the post office with Nikki more times than I've been to the post office.

Nikki: I just have to be clear that it's not the post office I love.

Nikki: It's the thought of sending someone, like handwritten mail.

Salina: Of course.

Nikki: Incidentally, Salina has sent me more handwritten mail than I've ever sent her.

Nikki: So, yeah, be not confused.

Nikki: I don't go to the post office anymore.

Nikki: It's so far away.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: You know you can mail letters from your house, right?

Nikki: But you got to have stamps.

Nikki: And if you're out of stamps, you got to go to the post office.

Salina: I do keep stamps around.

Nikki: I usually do.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: But it is still like an unusual thing to do in 2021.

Nikki: But we digress.

Nikki: That's not well, is it?

Salina: What is it?

Salina: What if it was?

Salina: Do you still use stamps?

Nikki: I just started sweating because you said, what is it?

Nikki: And I was like, oh, crap.

Nikki: Was I supposed to pull these questions?

Salina: Did stamps exist when Proust was alive?

Salina: There's so many questions.

Salina: I don't know.

Salina: Okay, the next question in our journey together is what or who is the greatest love of your life?

Nikki: Careful now, jackson.

Salina: You said it.

Salina: Is that really what you want to go with?

Nikki: It feels like the safest answer.

Nikki: Otherwise I'm going to have to come up with a way to merge all of my family's names.

Salina: Yeah, okay.

Salina: It doesn't ask you to say why.

Salina: Are you done?

Nikki: I'm done.

Salina: Jackson, it does feel like an incredibly dangerous question.

Salina: Oh, sure.

Salina: We did say what or who.

Nikki: Or what.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: So family.

Salina: Oh, yeah.

Salina: That's smart.

Nikki: My son, if you ask him, who's your true love?

Nikki: He says, mommy.

Nikki: We could debate whether that's healthy or not, but I'd rather not.

Nikki: I just like to hear him say it.

Salina: No, I think that's sweet.

Salina: So if we can say what I'll.

Nikki: Say, my family absolutely true loves in different ways.

Salina: Yeah, for mean if we're talking.

Salina: So I was sort of thinking of.

Nikki: It or pecan pie.

Salina: Just pie crust.

Salina: My first thought was Casey, because I was thinking, who is the greatest love of my life?

Salina: I would say Casey.

Salina: And I feel like if I keep it in the romantic vein, that also feels safe because I shouldn't be having a lot of romances anymore.

Salina: Just the one.

Salina: I mean, whatever, it's 2021.

Nikki: It depends on who you are and what you like.

Nikki: I don't know.

Salina: So I'm going to say Casey is the greatest love of my life.

Salina: There you go.

Salina: And I love you if you ever get to this episode.

Salina: If you don't, I'll be berating you in between, because that's what good partners do.

Salina: Second question.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: When and where were you happiest?

Nikki: Oh, good Lord.

Salina: I know that's a hard one.

Salina: I feel like maybe we needed, like, ten years to answer that question.

Salina: Unless you really do have something that's really immediate.

Salina: Picking a very specific I'm so hard.

Salina: I'm trying to give you some time.

Salina: Thank you.

Salina: Picking a very specific moment in time is, like, really hard for me on questions like that.

Salina: For me, it's more of like an idea, right?

Salina: Like maybe like a it's it's much broader than that for me, so it's it's hard for me to say, like, oh, well, yeah, it was Tuesday, October 1999, and I was sitting in class, in my algebra class, and I was.

Nikki: Just I don't know, this is sounding like the worst day of my life.

Salina: Tuesday, algebra class 99.

Salina: We're on the precipice of the end of the world.

Salina: It's y two K, baby.

Salina: It's scary.

Salina: So yeah.

Salina: You got anything.

Nikki: That'S really hard?

Nikki: I would have to pick when and where happiest at different phases in life.

Salina: Yeah, I feel like this is a terrible question.

Nikki: This is stupid.

Nikki: Throw it out.

Salina: How about this?

Salina: Give me just, like, just one time where you just felt like that blissed out happiness.

Nikki: The Tuesday at work.

Nikki: Tuesday at work in algebra class.

Nikki: Oh, God, no.

Nikki: Kyle and I have been on a few trips, just the two of us, vacations and just sitting on a beach in the Caribbean with nowhere to go.

Nikki: And I'm like similar to one of my questions on one of these last ones, because I'm so introverted, I get overwhelmed really easily at making a ton of plans, particularly when I'm on i, like, push back on making plans.

Nikki: I don't even want to think about dinner until it's dinner time.

Nikki: I don't want to talk about it.

Nikki: The biggest plan I have is to walk from here to there because the bar is over there and I need a Margarita.

Nikki: Like, when I'm on vacation, I'm full on I'm on vacation.

Nikki: So there have been a few times we've been in the Caribbean where I'm just laying on the beach.

Nikki: I'm not don't I don't even have my computer.

Nikki: I have no phone with me and just totally alone with Kyle.

Nikki: We're totally alone together.

Nikki: It feels when I'm with him again, to the point about greatest loves of your life.

Nikki: I think one of the benefits of having someone that you've been with for as long as he and I have been together is we just feel like the same person sometimes.

Nikki: So it doesn't feel like I have to entertain anybody.

Nikki: It doesn't feel like you don't have.

Salina: To do that small talk, don't have.

Nikki: To do anything you are not responsible for.

Nikki: So you just exist.

Nikki: That and then the other time I was thinking of was kyle and I have actually talked about this before.

Nikki: I have a good friend whose parents had a lake house while we were in college.

Nikki: And the feeling of getting in the car and driving to the lake house on a Friday afternoon and knowing you had nothing to do and nowhere to be and no one to talk to except your friends, that freedom was a very happy time.

Salina: I do feel like it's I think we're hitting on something really good here.

Nikki: Which is freedom is good.

Nikki: So good.

Nikki: Don't get old.

Salina: Don't get old.

Salina: Just kind of like this idea of, like, it's any time in my life where I have stopped myself and been like, you need to remember this moment.

Salina: I want you to capture every single detail that you can stop fiddling with everything around you and just be here.

Salina: And I think the most recent time I've had that feeling is I just came back from Is.

Salina: I've been to Ireland before, but I think it reminded me just how magical it is.

Salina: It's not like I haven't seen rolling green hills before, but their rolling green hills are the the grass is always greener, I've heard on Ireland's side, but just there was something about, like, standing on a cliff, and there's, like, a lot of cliffs in Ireland.

Nikki: Standing on a cliff sounds very dangerous to me.

Salina: I was told to back up from the cliff several times and warned several times that I was being ridiculous because I was, like, right at the edge, like, trying to take pictures.

Salina: I was, like, on my hands and knees crawling across, and they're like, okay, Salina, you're banned.

Nikki: This is not going well.

Salina: Yeah, you're the reason they put up.

Salina: Uh, but just standing there in that moment and feeling so small, but in a good way and just, like, feeling I also like that feeling when you're somewhere completely different from your home, but there is something that feels similar about it because I think that helps me remember.

Salina: We're all the same.

Salina: No matter how many differences we try to put between ourselves and someone else, we're all the same.

Salina: We see blue sky.

Salina: We see ground.

Salina: Sometimes you're all standing on what feels like the edge of the earth, but it's not really the edge of the earth.

Salina: And I just think there's something so beautiful about feeling like just like one cell almost on this entire huge globe, and just feeling like a part of it that's deep and not having to go to work is also really just sweetens the deal.

Nikki: I kind of was wondering if that was the theme underlying all of our.

Salina: Happiest moments in no responsibilities, right?

Nikki: No responsibilities.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: Just like not having to worry about taking out the trash or going to the grocery store.

Salina: All these just mundane things that you just like I've told someone before maybe I've told you this before, but sometimes life starts to feel like just one giant task where it feels like all of life feels like the grocery store where I'm literally I'm putting things in a cart to take them home to again, take them out of the car and put that like this whole process is just like I cannot believe that this is the things that are going on.

Salina: So anything you can do to break up your routine sometimes can just be a really beautiful thing.

Salina: All right, guys, what do you all think we're going to go around one by one.

Nikki: I was trying to transition into the episode how mundane life is, but how grateful we each are to be here and to not be facing heart attacks like this week's episode.

Salina: There you go.

Nikki: I tried grasping for straw.

Nikki: Hulu says Reese hopes to prove he's more fit than his visiting buddy and sometime rival and challenges him to an arm wrestling contest.

Nikki: Yeah, that's what happened in this episode.

Salina: It doesn't sound inviting at all.

Nikki: Come on over.

Nikki: Julia's protest.

Nikki: Reese strains himself to the limit and suffers a heart attack.

Nikki: Well, they just jumped right into it, IMDb says.

Nikki: When Reese suffers a heart attack, julia is reminded of how her husband died.

Nikki: This is reminding me of how IMDb has the superior.

Salina: I think.

Salina: But it's good because you get a little piece of everything.

Nikki: Well, but the Hulu one was so detailed, but didn't actually talk about the episode, the real parts.

Nikki: The arm wrestling contest.

Nikki: That's the thing we want to talk about in this whole episode.

Nikki: Anyhow November 9, 1987, is when this aired.

Nikki: Oh.

Nikki: I wanted to point out the other thing about the descriptions.

Nikki: I wouldn't necessarily expect them to put this in the description, maybe, but it is a subplot.

Nikki: That's kind of important that Sugar Bakers has a client who died mid project.

Nikki: Helen Jane.

Salina: Right.

Salina: That would have made much more sense probably, than the arm wrestling contest.

Salina: You could have just tacked that onto the so I have.

Nikki: I'm going to write a new one.

Nikki: When Reese suffers a heart attack, julia is reminded of how her husband died.

Nikki: Meanwhile, Sugar Bakers faces the loss of its first client mid project.

Salina: There you go.

Nikki: How hard is that?

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: Maybe we could come out with a master class on writing episode writing descriptions.

Nikki: From two people who have never written episode descriptions.

Nikki: We're doing it all the time now.

Salina: These people haven't either.

Nikki: Hulu can just hire us.

Nikki: So this one was written by LBT.

Nikki: And it was directed by Matthew Diamond.

Nikki: Salina points out here that he last directed oh, Susanna.

Nikki: Another emotional episode.

Salina: Season one high.

Nikki: Thank you for that, because I think I've got some words missing here.

Nikki: In Trivia, reese's friend Sheffield is played to be his same age, but in real life, he's 15 years younger than Hal Holbrook, the actor who plays Reese.

Salina: Deception.

Nikki: So let's jump into general reactions.

Nikki: And my general reaction is I need a therapy session on this one.

Nikki: I need you to help me break down why I did not find this episode emotional at all.

Nikki: It was aiming for me to cry.

Nikki: I think it's a reflection of the fact that I don't give a hoot about okay, okay, but I'm worried.

Nikki: Is there something wrong with me?

Salina: You weren't moved by Suzanne and Julia?

Nikki: Not in an emotional way.

Nikki: In a like, I'm fangirling over Suzanne?

Nikki: Heck, yes.

Nikki: If something bad happens in my life, do I want Suzanne there?

Nikki: Yes.

Nikki: But, like, their relationship, it didn't really do much for me.

Salina: And maybe that's just because it stems from Reese, I think.

Salina: Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's.

Nikki: You did you cry?

Salina: I cried at, like, every episode.

Nikki: I know.

Salina: So did you cry at this think?

Salina: I think I did cry a little bit.

Salina: Not about Reese, though.

Salina: I think it was one of the hospital scenes, and it was like Suzanne stepping up to the plate, and it was like Julia talking a little bit about what it was like to lose her husband and stuff like that.

Salina: I thought all of that was well played and well done.

Salina: And I think I had told you when I watched maybe the first nine episodes, I cried every time, and I.

Nikki: Was like, what's wrong with me?

Salina: Yeah, probably PMSing.

Nikki: Don't discount your feelings by pointing out hormonal imbalances.

Salina: Or am I just regulating and checking in with myself?

Nikki: That might be it.

Salina: I only have one general reaction, which is that I think one of the things that did not work for me was so when he has a heart attack, they did this, like, uhoh, something is wrong musical cue, and it made the whole moment feel super cheesy.

Nikki: Oh, really?

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: And I was like, I can't even get into this because it's literally like a.

Nikki: But how else would you know to be worried?

Salina: Probably him clutching his heart and falling to the ground.

Nikki: I thought he was saying, I love Julia.

Salina: Well, he probably was.

Salina: So you have lots of strays, then?

Nikki: I wouldn't say lots.

Salina: What do you have?

Nikki: And then I think the most important one, what kind of law does Reese practice that would put him in a courtroom?

Nikki: Merging Sheffield's film company with a corporation, but also Helen Jane's will.

Salina: First.

Salina: Did I stump you?

Salina: Well, yes, but also I'm over here just happy that someone besides me took the time to think about that, because that sounds like a really me thing to think through.

Salina: Yeah, it's a great question.

Nikki: I just think they needed a lawyer in the room to hand them Helen Jane's whatever the name is.

Nikki: Helen Jane to hand the will.

Nikki: And hey, Reese is a lawyer.

Nikki: It was just so random to me.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: Bothered by that.

Salina: Well, I guess this is a gap for me because my barrister knowledge is not so, like, I don't a you know how there's, like, a general health care provider?

Nikki: I don't think there's any reason he couldn't do both.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: I just don't think that's generally what people do.

Salina: Right.

Salina: So you just think they were, like, playing a little loose?

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: Okay.

Nikki: Say he's a big corporate lawyer and that's what he does day to day, but he has a neighbor who needs their will executed, and they're chatting in the yard and he says, yeah, I'm a lawyer.

Nikki: I can do your will.

Nikki: That's one thing.

Nikki: So maybe he's neighbors with Helen Jane.

Nikki: I don't know.

Nikki: But she didn't really seem to be someone that we're supposed to know who she is.

Nikki: She's just a client of Sugar Bakers.

Nikki: So what are the odds that the big corporate lawyer is the one she went to for her?

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: And now I'm starting to think we've spent too much time on this, given that we have no answers.

Nikki: But it really got under my skin.

Salina: That's what stray observations and podcasts are all about.

Nikki: The other one I had was that Reese says about Julia.

Nikki: Well, the way I try to look at it is, yes, it's true, I don't deserve her, but then neither does anyone else, so I may as well have her to myself.

Nikki: That's the second or third time we've heard that line.

Nikki: Oh, that was in season.

Nikki: Julia said it for sure once in season one about him.

Nikki: About him when they first start dating.

Nikki: But then I thought he said it again later.

Nikki: So I'm just so curious if this is a side effect of we weren't ever supposed to be able to see these episodes back to back to back, so maybe the hope was we would forget it.

Nikki: It's just like golden line in her mind, so she keeps coming back to it.

Nikki: Or if this line means something to LBT, like she heard it at some point, or it's supposed to be an underpinning of their relationship or something.

Salina: It's also I don't know why.

Salina: I just don't really love that compliment either.

Salina: I don't know why.

Salina: It just feels like a throwaway to me.

Nikki: Yeah, it feels like, Why not me?

Nikki: Which I say all the time, why not me?

Nikki: I could win the lottery.

Nikki: It could be me.

Salina: It could be you.

Salina: I hope it's you.

Nikki: I do, too.

Salina: I don't know what that'll do for me, but you'll lose.

Salina: Oh, you're going to go into hiding.

Nikki: I'm gone.

Nikki: And, you'll know, seven to ten days after the lottery when I don't show up anywhere.

Salina: I appreciate that about you.

Salina: That's what you got to do.

Salina: You don't want to get the curse of the lottery.

Nikki: This is true.

Nikki: What do you have in strays?

Salina: So Charlene's whole diatribe about where has Al Pacino been, I had to look at it.

Salina: And he did steadily work from the but he does have, like, a four or five year gap from the mid to late eighty s.

Salina: Sixty s to the eighty s.

Salina: He's very consistent.

Salina: And then just maybe I would have.

Nikki: Noticed that if I lived in the 80s when she said that I meant to look into it, and then I never did.

Nikki: But when I think of Al Pacino, I think of that's Dustin Hoffman.

Salina: I think of the graduate.

Nikki: I was going to say Scent of a Woman.

Salina: Oh, that's him.

Nikki: That's al pacino.

Nikki: And that feels like an 80s movie to me.

Salina: It's in the 90s, but very early 90s.

Salina: Chris O'Donnell.

Salina: Great movie.

Nikki: It is a good movie.

Salina: Hua.

Salina: Do you like that?

Nikki: There you go.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: I just got fired from the podcast.

Salina: I think it is a great movie.

Salina: I love Al Pacino.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: I did have some more.

Salina: It doesn't really matter, but we do hear about Reese's children for the first time.

Salina: Oh, ansel and Margaret.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: They already sound like their grandparents.

Salina: Sorry, Margaret.

Salina: Her husband's last name, Julia was McElroy.

Nikki: I didn't hear that.

Salina: Well, I just thought that was interesting because it means that I decided to take the leap that she did not change her name back to Julia Sugar Baker, which means that she kept the name Sugar Baker, which feels very progressive for the times.

Salina: So I'm making a lot of leaps there that may or may not be true.

Salina: Seeing your eyes bat back and forth.

Salina: Do you want me to ask you what you're okay.

Salina: I wonder if this episode was weird or difficult for Hal Holbrook and Dixie Carter to do.

Salina: Oh, because they're married in real life.

Nikki: Did you know that?

Salina: That they were married in real life?

Nikki: Nope.

Nikki: Maybe.

Salina: I mean, I know that's their day job and everything, but think about let me hearken back to our last episode.

Salina: Let's see if I can go all the way back.

Salina: I'm just kidding, guys.

Salina: We recorded the same episode today.

Salina: We were recording three episodes today, so it's going to sound different for you.

Salina: Same for us.

Salina: Nikki did an excellent extra sugar about Gerald McCraney and Delta Burke and that woman and the other one.

Salina: And part of what you talked about was excuse me, Mac.

Salina: I mean, we're not friends, so he may he may not appreciate me talking about him that way.

Nikki: Barbara Walter says that's his preferred, so.

Salina: Even by, I guess, okay, so but Mac talks about how he used he couldn't even fully think about Delta Burke passing when he was trying to get in the right whatever frame for this Is US.

Salina: And so I'm just thinking, like, even if it is their day job to be actors and put themselves in these situations, it does feel like it ups the Annie when it's your actual partner that you're pretending like, whose?

Salina: Health is on the like, it would be hard for me for Casey to grab his chest, pretend, like, fall down and me catch him, because it would make my mind go crazy places.

Salina: And everyone knows I'm an excellent actor, so there's that.

Nikki: And her mind naturally goes crazy places.

Salina: One of these things is true.

Salina: Is it weird this is my last ray.

Salina: Is it weird that Mary Jo didn't know who Carl was at the funeral?

Salina: Carl was the okay.

Salina: Because all of the designing women, Sugar Bakers and Anthony, except for, you know, she couldn't make it.

Salina: They're all sitting around him, but then she gets up and she's like, carl, where are you?

Salina: Carl?

Salina: Carl?

Nikki: Maybe she was disoriented from the stage.

Nikki: Maybe maybe she got turned also.

Salina: Hmm.

Salina: The staff at their interior design firm was their closest friends.

Nikki: Yeah, that's weird, right?

Salina: Unless that relationship was established already.

Nikki: Yeah, well, I don't know, because Reese was executing her will.

Nikki: And so again, maybe there's a story there that their family, friends, her and Reese, and by extension, Julia what if.

Salina: We go through all of this and at the end we just go, she made the right decision.

Salina: Glad we chatted about all that.

Salina: These idiots.

Salina: We don't know what we're talking about.

Salina: Do you want to talk about the many, many the long, long list of all the things that you liked?

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: It might be shorter than you.

Salina: Like, kick us off it's.

Nikki: Suzanne in this episode, like that moment where they were in the waiting room, and she has just done all the things she needs to do, like all the mature things to take care of in this situation.

Nikki: And it was such a departure for her character.

Nikki: But it was one of those things where I love when we just turn the character ever so slightly and they catch the light a different way.

Nikki: Like, you get a different facet of their personality.

Salina: Sure.

Nikki: And I just thought that was so cool.

Nikki: It was fun to watch her get to be the hero and the adult in the room, basically.

Salina: Okay, so let's just say that you have been told the first part of this episode, but you knew they were all going to wind up in the hospital together to support Julia.

Salina: Who would you have anticipated would have stepped up to the plate?

Nikki: Charlene.

Salina: Same.

Salina: So it was definitely a surprise.

Salina: In fact, I think the only thing that kind of almost took me out of it was that Charlene and Mary Jo had thought of.

Salina: I real and I understand why it was written that way to give Suzanne kind of this pedestal to sit on for the episode.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: I was just like, that's weird.

Salina: Like, they haven't thought of anything hyper focused.

Salina: They're just there.

Salina: Yeah, they're just wall decoration or something in that beautiful lobby area.

Nikki: I had one other thing, which was that funeral of that old woman.

Nikki: That scene where Mary Jo reads the letter at the funeral is so random, like out of left field.

Nikki: I know they set it up at the beginning of the episode, but what purpose it serves, I'm still not entirely sure.

Nikki: I know, except it was freaking hilarious when that lady in the back of the room passes out.

Nikki: They don't show her, but you can hear it and they're like, oh, Vivian must be here.

Nikki: That was the funniest thing I've seen in the last like, maybe this whole season.

Nikki: Yeah, I laughed out loud multiple times.

Salina: So Annie Potts, I think she is such a good actor.

Nikki: She's very funny.

Salina: And I thought that her charisma is off the charts.

Salina: She plays a nervous Nellie like nobody else.

Salina: And the funny thing is do you remember her character from Ghostbusters?

Nikki: Yes.

Salina: It's so.

Nikki: Think.

Nikki: I believe I've heard that's consistent with her in no, I know it is.

Nikki: When I was doing my Delta Burke deep dive.

Nikki: That's consistent with her in real life.

Nikki: She is laid back new agey.

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: Super.

Nikki: Not like over the top like Mary Jo is.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: So I don't I i thought she did such a good job.

Nikki: Her comic timing was so funny.

Salina: It was on she you would never know that.

Salina: Obviously she practiced these lines, right.

Salina: Unless they did something where they sort of fed it to her, which is entirely possible to make it organic or as organic as possible.

Salina: But I was just so I wrote it down.

Salina: Do you want me to read the whole thing?

Nikki: Yes, please.

Nikki: I was just thinking I'm going to have to rewatch it.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: So just to orient, folks, hopefully we're reorienting you.

Salina: Julia is supposed to deliver this speech that you're not supposed to see, just something that this woman who's passed away has written.

Salina: You don't even know it's to her husband yet.

Nikki: She's just put it in an envelope and said she wants it read at her funeral.

Salina: By Julia?

Salina: By Julia and no one else.

Salina: And so Julia is obviously caught up with Reese and everything that happened to him.

Salina: And so Mary Jo kind of draws the short straw.

Salina: It's like the worst person to probably do it.

Salina: And so she gets up there not knowing what's going to be in this letter.

Salina: I wrote down a part of it.

Salina: Let's see.

Salina: So I could take the stinginess, the selfishness, the lying, and all the other low down, bug level baseness, but I cannot take you in Vivian Blanchard in a cheap biloxi hotel on the night of my hysterectomy.

Salina: You son of a is that the word?

Salina: I think it is.

Salina: Gun, low life, society licking b******.

Salina: So she says it a lot more slowly.

Salina: She's like stumbling her way through it.

Salina: It's just wonderful.

Salina: But it's so random, like how these two people even married.

Nikki: I think that's what 60 years of marriage will do to you.

Salina: I'm like, just get divorced.

Salina: Don't hold in there.

Nikki: Staying together for the kids.

Salina: I'm like, they don't have kids.

Salina: What's happening?

Salina: But it was everything.

Nikki: I really enjoyed that scene.

Nikki: I just died.

Salina: It kind of saved the episode.

Nikki: It really did.

Nikki: That's all I had on likes, all.

Salina: Right, let's talk about what we didn't like.

Nikki: Let's talk about what we didn't like.

Nikki: The super fun double trouble hit of reese and sheffield.

Nikki: Y'all know how I feel about reese.

Nikki: I haven't been guarded in it.

Nikki: He's not my favorite kind of guy.

Nikki: Sheffield like one ups him pompous.

Nikki: He's very arrogant.

Nikki: He is full of these stories.

Nikki: And it's weird.

Nikki: Like when they're having the dinner and reese walks in after sheffield has told all these stories to the women and he says don't go telling him about x, y and z and lists off the three stories this man has just told.

Nikki: So he only has three stories but he wants you to believe he's living the best life ever.

Nikki: Sounds like their time at yale law together was terrible.

Nikki: And there's the whole taking a pass at julia thing and saying like, I'd give up my friendship with my 30 or 40 year friendship with reese if I could have you.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: So weird.

Salina: And on the back end because she also before he actually does the whole build up of this has been that reese doesn't trust him.

Salina: Right.

Salina: That's built through the whole show.

Salina: And at the very end is when he hits on her.

Salina: But right before that she goes into this whole thing about how he's been amazing and he's been helpful and thank you for staying around and all this stuff.

Salina: And that's kind of what he takes as the opening.

Salina: And to me it doesn't even really match up.

Salina: So you're going to stick around.

Salina: You're going to do all this stuff for him, but then you're also like, well, if I can get me a little sum, yeah.

Salina: I'll just throw away this whole relationship.

Salina: So also it's like skeevy but also it doesn't really feel like a full character.

Nikki: Disconnected.

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: That was like the main thing I couldn't handle was just those two same I mean, very similar men are now in competition with one another.

Nikki: And I can tell you watching two men I don't have a lot of respect for, compete with one another is not my idea of a good time.

Nikki: That's 22 minutes of my life if you multiply it by the three times I watched it that I will never get back.

Salina: Also it's just another we've.

Salina: Talked about toxic masculinity.

Salina: And maybe this is part of like maybe this is part of where LBT.

Salina: Was going with this.

Salina: This is the kind of stupid crap that happens when you decide to act like an a**.

Nikki: Because when you start arm wrestling at.

Salina: 65 god, calm down.

Salina: So weird.

Nikki: It's so strange.

Salina: They better have been several drinks in.

Nikki: I'm hoping they were.

Nikki: I assumed they were.

Salina: It's just silliness.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: So were there other things that well, since we're still on Sheffield because I've got a whole thing that I want to say about okay.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: But since we're still on Sheffield, when he comes on to her, one thing that I didn't like about that was that besides the fact that it just happened and that was a really unfair position for him to put her in, was this idea that she says she feels stupid for not believing Reese.

Salina: And I think that's really unfair.

Salina: Why should she feel bad because she's caught in the middle of some 30 plus year old competition between these two man babies?

Salina: My perception of that scene was that she was taking on some of the guilt.

Salina: Like, oh, why didn't I listen to Reese?

Salina: Oh, that's how it felt to me.

Salina: Like, he's been telling me this whole time.

Salina: And I just believe that you were fine and that you really just were interested in helping and being it.

Nikki: I think that's a good perspective.

Nikki: I didn't take it that way.

Nikki: I took it more as like, julia doesn't like to be caught off guard, and she certainly doesn't like to say she's wrong.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: So she's sort of like, oh, my God, all the signs were there, and he was even telling me, and I still missed it.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: How horrible.

Nikki: That's how I took it.

Salina: Well, I like your perspective, too.

Nikki: All right, moving on.

Nikki: Perfect.

Salina: With Reese, that line he says, I'm obviously going out with the wrong sugar Baker sister.

Nikki: No, he said, I'm obviously messing around with the wrong sugar Baker sister.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: Which is, like, more disrespectful language, in my opinion, which is why I'm pointing it out.

Salina: No.

Salina: Yeah, I figured.

Nikki: I'm obviously messing around with the wrong sugar Baker sister.

Nikki: Mess around with yourself.

Nikki: Sorry.

Salina: You mess around with yourself anytime.

Nikki: Reese springs the worst out in me.

Salina: Well, like, you're saying you're not a fan, it just makes it so hard to like him.

Salina: And I wonder if I'm sure he didn't feel quite as obnoxious in 1987.

Salina: I truly believe that.

Salina: I truly believe that today.

Salina: Look, we got lots of problems, but I truly believe that today we're like, you need to cut that out.

Salina: Nobody's got time for it.

Salina: Yeah, so I just think he's being very insensitive.

Salina: So Julia is worried about him.

Salina: That's it.

Salina: All she's trying to do is take care of he just had a heart attack, and all he can do is comment on the fact that his bottom half hasn't been attended to.

Salina: Get out of here.

Salina: And that he feels babied and is totally preoccupied with this whole jealousy thing with Sheffield.

Nikki: That scene toward the end with Julia and Reese and Suzanne sitting there, first of all, I think the interactions between the three of them all together are so they're just very familial and very comfortable.

Nikki: Which I do appreciate.

Nikki: I appreciate that it feels like they really are family, which makes sense because.

Salina: I think they really were like family in real life.

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: So I appreciate how close together they feel.

Nikki: I will say to defend Reese again, going back to the issue of toxic masculinity, I think he already was feeling something about his age and his health.

Salina: Compared to Sheffield vitality.

Nikki: And so for him to be the one that has the heart attack after Sheffield told him I run 15 miles a day, whatever, it's the least you could do is go for a walk or something.

Nikki: To be the one that has the heart attack probably does.

Nikki: Your ego takes a hit with that.

Nikki: And then to have your woman friend I was going to say girlfriend.

Nikki: To have your person like mother henning you probably doesn't feel so great.

Nikki: But the bottom half thing I didn't appreciate.

Salina: So I understand that and I think that's a very valid point.

Salina: The other thing that was really insensitive about it, though, is Julia's husband dive.

Salina: Same thing.

Salina: So stop acting like a douchebag for.

Nikki: Like 2 seconds and think about her.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: Because just imagine what she is going through on a psychological, emotional level.

Nikki: Also, let's just pile on.

Salina: Well, I'm going broader here.

Salina: Why are men the worst when they're sick?

Salina: It's so bad.

Salina: It's so bad.

Nikki: It's rough.

Salina: I don't understand.

Salina: I wonder, is it because technically sure, you call it a life cycle for women, but is it possibly because we're sick once a month?

Nikki: So Kyle says often it seems so hard to be a woman, which I appreciate.

Nikki: I think some women don't like to hear that.

Nikki: I appreciate him acknowledging that because seriously, from the time you're like twelve or 13 for three or four days, you are deeply uncomfortable and you live in a world of discomfort.

Salina: Three or four days a month.

Nikki: Three or four days a month, yes.

Nikki: Sorry.

Salina: Three or four days.

Nikki: Three or four days.

Nikki: Your entire life you are uncomfortable.

Nikki: Three or four days a month.

Nikki: That's a lot more days.

Nikki: Or it could be more.

Nikki: That's a lot of days to feel borderline uncomfortable.

Nikki: And it starts before cramps start.

Nikki: You start with the headache.

Nikki: I get a headache the week before my period.

Nikki: A nonstop headache.

Nikki: You have a headache, then you bleed like half the month you're uncomfortable.

Salina: Every male listener just bowed out.

Nikki: I know.

Nikki: I'm sorry about that.

Salina: I'm not.

Nikki: I'm sorry.

Salina: Don't you be part I always force Casey to listen to things because I think it's penance.

Salina: I'm like know what they did to me at the Gynecological office today.

Nikki: We talk about that a lot without gory details.

Nikki: But I'm like, I have to do that once a year, legs up in a stirrup and let someone dig around inside me.

Salina: Because sometimes people have to go in multiple times if something's going on.

Nikki: This is what I'm saying.

Salina: So the whole thing toe and I'm not going to eyelash it's just a.

Nikki: Lot of upkeep, and I'm not going to hold men accountable for that, for not having that experience.

Nikki: I do just want acknowledgment that it is harder to be a woman.

Nikki: That's all I'm asking for.

Salina: Well, all I'm asking for is to not be a baby when you're sick.

Nikki: I don't care.

Nikki: Be a baby if you want.

Nikki: Just don't expect me to baby you.

Salina: Oh, there you go.

Salina: There you go.

Salina: Well, I don't know.

Salina: It's kind of like if someone's a.

Nikki: Really big sports fan, Salina's really stepping into her element.

Salina: I feel like I'm code talking about Casey, though, is what?

Salina: But Casey is not the only person who's done this, and he's not that bad.

Salina: Because honestly, I cannot stand it when people like their favorite sports team and they decide to lose.

Salina: Yeah, you're right.

Salina: All my words are not good here.

Salina: But their favorite team loses and then they proceed to make everyone else's life around them miserable.

Salina: This is my problem.

Salina: If you are sick and you just want to be like a butthead but in a room by yourself, fine.

Salina: But if you come out of the room and you decide to make everyone else miserable and this is anybody, this is more than just penises and you decide to make everyone I had to get it in.

Nikki: You had to get it in there.

Salina: There's a joke in there somewhere, too.

Salina: Then that is my problem.

Salina: And I think that's the thing.

Salina: We have to suck it up and figure our way through it once a month.

Salina: So if we can do that twelve times a year and then oh, we also get sick like regular human beings, right?

Salina: Just work with us.

Salina: That's all I'm saying.

Salina: How much of this is going to make it into the final podcast?

Nikki: I've lost the thread of relevance to the show.

Salina: Reese being like a baby while he was sick.

Nikki: I hate Reese.

Salina: Look, you found the thread.

Nikki: Back in the game.

Salina: So would you like to rate this sucker?

Salina: I would.

Salina: What you got?

Nikki: Elderly arm wrestling matches.

Salina: I'm going to go with that one.

Nikki: What was yours?

Salina: I didn't have one.

Nikki: Oh, that's what that face was.

Nikki: Just elderly arm wrestling matches.

Nikki: I like it a two out of five I have in my notes.

Nikki: I hated this episode.

Salina: That's it.

Nikki: That feels excessive.

Nikki: One.

Nikki: It was just boring.

Nikki: It was just kind of boring.

Nikki: Remember when Charlene had her health scare and I was like on pins and needles to see what happened to her with reese.

Nikki: I was just like, can I just fast forward to the end and see if he's still around?

Nikki: Which is horrible, but I just think.

Salina: That reflects my but not really because he's a character and not a real person.

Nikki: Good call.

Salina: Probably fine.

Nikki: Hal Holbrook was probably lovely and I would have worried about him personally.

Salina: I think he actually and I've said this before, I think that's the thing that makes this hard for me is, like, I think the things I've read and seen about him do seem perfectly lovely and so it falls apart for me a little bit.

Nikki: Part two is why are men so creepy on this show?

Nikki: Like, his fixation with Julia was, like, super uncomfortable.

Salina: Sheffield's or Sheffield?

Nikki: Yeah, he's like, I don't know how fast he threw out everything.

Nikki: Even just ask her on a date was just I don't it was and this was like a continuing thing.

Nikki: We just watched Dashgoff who we went on at length.

Nikki: So, like, I just wish we could have a male character that I really enjoy.

Salina: Anthony?

Nikki: Well, yeah, I wish we could have a male character who's, like, interacting with our ladies in a romantic way and treating them well.

Salina: I think we're going to get one.

Nikki: Who.

Salina: Oh, it's as if nothing.

Salina: Oh, quint.

Nikki: All right, what's your rating?

Salina: I think I'm going to give this one a three out of five.

Nikki: Generous.

Salina: Well, I'm only doing it because of.

Nikki: The arm wrestling match.

Salina: Arm wrestling match.

Salina: And just Reese Watson.

Salina: I am doing that because so enjoyed Suzanne and her part of this episode.

Nikki: And Vivian falling on the floor at the funeral.

Salina: You got it.

Nikki: God, that was funny.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: And Mary Jo, I think those two things together, I didn't care, really about any other part of this episode, but I think it was worth watching the whole thing just to see Mary Jo.

Nikki: You're right.

Nikki: Maybe at 2.75.

Salina: Oh, look at you.

Salina: With the decibels combination of either 80s southern or unknown references.

Nikki: There was a slew gosh, I'm telling you, when Sheffield did his, like, Hollywood spiel.

Nikki: So I just wrote them down quickly.

Nikki: Warren Beatty al Pacino, kirk Douglas, Brooke Shields and Prince And there was one in there I had to look up.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: Should I go into it now?

Nikki: I had it under references I had to look up.

Nikki: It was ishtar?

Salina: Yes.

Nikki: Ishtar was a 1987 American adventure comedy film.

Nikki: It was produced by Warren Beatty and who costarred opposite Dustin Hoffman.

Salina: So I Dustin Hoffman's on the brain.

Nikki: Maybe.

Nikki: Wikipedia said the film polarized critics and became a notorious failure at the box office.

Nikki: Many have considered it to be one of the worst films ever made, although critical support for the film has grown strongly since its release.

Nikki: I've literally never heard of this movie.

Salina: It sounds like a good plot.

Salina: Well, I'd heard of it.

Salina: I just thought that it was oh.

Nikki: There'S something about Ishtar.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: So did you look up the plot?

Nikki: No.

Salina: Okay, so the plot is that two terrible lounge singers, they book some kind of gig in Morocco and then they get swept up in an international power play between the CIA, the Emir of Ishtar and the rebels trying to overthrow his.

Salina: Like, I could see like two goofball mixes, like some comedy and some action or something.

Salina: Nikki's Face says that she would not be interested in this film.

Salina: My favorite thing about looking into this was actually the fact that it was nominated for and won a Razzie, but it was also nominated for a Stinker's Bad movie award.

Nikki: I've never heard of that.

Salina: Me neither, but it's now my favorite thing ever.

Salina: I was like, what a Stinker's bad movie?

Salina: Like, you know it's bad when you need to say stinkers.

Nikki: I wish I had thought of that first.

Salina: It's a great name, isn't it?

Nikki: That is fantastic.

Salina: Did you have other combinations?

Nikki: No.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: I feel like you're going to have to hold me accountable because I think we did something where we like all the slew of references.

Salina: I threw in my references.

Nikki: Oh, I see.

Salina: Okay, that'll make sense to me and you and to no one else, I think.

Salina: Which incidentally, makes for great listening.

Salina: So another one that felt to me like it was eighty S and it was something I needed to look up was Bridget Nielsen Stallone.

Nikki: No.

Salina: Yes, I got that one too.

Salina: I know who she is.

Salina: But I was interested because and I knew she was married to Stallone because she's just Bridget Nielsen now.

Salina: But I was just interested, like why was that a talk of the time?

Salina: Because the reference in the show is about tabloids and I didn't really understand a lot about their marriage or their breakup.

Salina: So this would have been around the time period when they divorced.

Salina: They've been married two years after meeting on Rocky Four.

Salina: She was 22 and he was 17 years older.

Salina: And it sounds like they were just in the tabloids like a lot at that time.

Salina: And even just that general set up with that age difference and probably some sort of whirlwind romance, I'm guessing.

Salina: Just fodder I'm imagining.

Salina: I mainly remember her from Beverly Hills Cop Two, and then I always think of her in those reality shows.

Nikki: I thought you were going to say you mainly remembered her for dating Flavor.

Nikki: Flavor.

Salina: I knew that was a spin off, but I couldn't remember what show it spun off of.

Nikki: Do you remember it's in there?

Salina: Are you sure you want to remember?

Salina: You want me to just tell you?

Nikki: It's like rehab, right?

Salina: It's the surreal life.

Salina: So they would take all these celebrities and throw them in a house together.

Nikki: Oh, that's not what I was thinking.

Nikki: I thought she went on a rehab.

Nikki: Yeah, I thought she went on a rehab show.

Nikki: Anywho, go ahead.

Salina: It's possible she was on that one.

Salina: Too.

Salina: Carry on.

Salina: I don't remember.

Salina: So surreal life.

Salina: That's where she met Flavor Flav, and then they had a spin off and had their own show, and then he spin off from that, and I used to watch all of those shows.

Salina: Flavor flav of love.

Nikki: I have never watched any of this.

Nikki: Flavor of love.

Salina: Flavor of love.

Salina: I'm like that.

Salina: Sounds better, right?

Nikki: Flavor flav of love.

Salina: It feels like I just went through, like, the writer's room.

Salina: We call it like, get all the bad ones out.

Salina: Anyway, so I don't know why.

Salina: Normally I don't like reality TV, but every now and then one will draw me in and I just every single one of those up there's me and.

Nikki: That show on Netflix.

Salina: Me too.

Salina: The one where they all get married?

Nikki: Yes.

Salina: The engagement one.

Salina: You're the one that got me hooked on.

Nikki: I know.

Nikki: It's a sickness.

Nikki: Blind love is blind.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: And then they did the reunion.

Nikki: I just sat there and watched it, mindlessly, for hours.

Salina: That's what they do.

Salina: It's like sugar of TV.

Salina: You got to have more.

Nikki: Anyways, good, but very little nutritional value.

Salina: You should write.

Salina: So another reference that I had was for eighty s and that I needed to look up was just the Double Mint Twins.

Nikki: Oh, yeah.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Like, I know, but I found like a 1987 version, which I'm pretty sure is the devil Meant twins.

Salina: They're referring to that Sheffield dated.

Salina: I just needed to know, incidentally, if it were if it was those two.

Nikki: Twins twirit the twins.

Salina: Oh, I like that.

Salina: These two held the role for the longest for ten years, starting in 1985.

Nikki: How old were they in 1985?

Nikki: Like 16.

Salina: I hope they were older than 18 if they were dating Sheffield.

Nikki: That's why I went with 15 or 16, because then that would have made them 18 by 87.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Either way.

Salina: EW.

Salina: And then I was wondering if you notice in the hospital waiting room, I think something got moved on mine.

Nikki: My notes perfect.

Salina: Don't worry about that, Southern.

Salina: Oh, that's not true.

Nikki: Nobody cares about your order.

Salina: Salina killing it.

Salina: So this is an 80s reference alone.

Salina: I thought I saw a cigarette machine in the hospital lobby.

Salina: It was a crazy time.

Salina: You just smoke it up in the hospital.

Nikki: Man is in the hospital.

Nikki: For heart attack.

Nikki: For a heart attack.

Nikki: People are smoking in the waiting room again.

Salina: I'm an ex smoker, so I hear myself hypocrite.

Nikki: We weren't smoking in the hospital.

Nikki: Were you?

Salina: Not that I recall.

Salina: Do you have any 80s references that you would like to share?

Nikki: Double mint twins.

Salina: Double mint twins.

Salina: So I stole yours.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: I can live with it, though.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Southern things.

Nikki: Another scarlett O'Hara reference.

Nikki: Biloxi reference.

Nikki: You just read it when you read the letter.

Nikki: Biloxi, Mississippi, and PA Kettle.

Nikki: I had to look this up because that's what Reese references.

Salina: Right.

Nikki: It sort of seemed like and I didn't write down a description at all.

Nikki: So this is going solely on memory.

Nikki: It sort of seemed like the Beverly Hillbillies.

Salina: I thought so, too.

Nikki: I can't tell which was the chicken and which was the egg, or was it the chicken or the egg.

Salina: I think it's however that goes, it sort of seems like it has to be the chicken.

Salina: So I did write down I wrote down a little thing because I knew I wouldn't remember it.

Salina: I do know who mom paw kettle are, sort of, because my aunt really loves their something.

Salina: Here's the reason I say something, because I can't remember if she was watching the movie or the TV series or what.

Salina: I can't remember.

Salina: I just know that she like her and her husband both really my uncle.

Salina: They both really like it.

Nikki: Can I clarify?

Nikki: When you say you think it was the chicken, does that mean it came first or second?

Salina: Oh, yeah, because mom paw kettle well, there's a disagreement.

Nikki: Is it an egg first or is it a chicken first?

Salina: Well, I guess that's the whole thing.

Nikki: So I want to know which one you think came first.

Nikki: Now, we know Ketle thinks the chicken came first.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: And I don't even know what I'm talking about.

Nikki: Okay, so the kettles came first.

Salina: Now, when you say that no, I'm just kidding.

Salina: Okay, so, yes, it was first a movie, and, like, several of them, and they ran from the but then there was a TV series series.

Salina: A TV series that ran for a year.

Salina: And then there was a cartoon.

Salina: So it sounds like there were several iterations.

Salina: And that's why I said whatever it was that she watched.

Nikki: Got it.

Salina: I agree.

Salina: It focused on a hillbilly couple navigating farm life with their large family.

Salina: But, you know, the thing is, I think there was, like, an obsession period with that for, like, a moment.

Salina: I've read about it somewhere.

Salina: Maybe it was when I was reading this.

Salina: I don't remember.

Salina: But that's one of the ways that Hollywood has been fascinated with rural communities.

Salina: So there was, like, Green Acres, which is where they're rich and then they wind up having but they only like.

Nikki: The fish out of water rural experiences.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: And I don't think this necessarily was a fish out of really just they were navigating farm life.

Nikki: Oh, okay.

Nikki: I thought there was something, well, urban in there.

Salina: So it's because I think the woman who actually I think it started with a book, and that's why I get so confused about there's, like, a lot of stuff.

Salina: I think it started with a book who was written by a woman.

Salina: This was her neighbors when she moved somewhere else.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: Maybe it is a fish out of water thing, I guess, because them moving to a rural area and watching mom paw kettle okay.

Salina: And kind of like their experience of seeing them in this rural set.

Nikki: That makes sense.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: So while this has the south written all over, like, it turns out the characters are based on this woman's experience in State.

Nikki: Oh.

Salina: So because wouldn't you have thought except.

Nikki: There'S a movie called Black Sheep with Chris Farley, and he is in a rural area in Washington state, and there are very eccentric people there in that movie.

Nikki: So I think Washington State is known for their rural eccentrics.

Salina: It's like a little Southern slice up there on the coast.

Salina: So yeah, all that to say.

Salina: Where were we in talking?

Nikki: We're at references.

Nikki: Well, we're at Southern Things.

Nikki: Did you have any other Southern things?

Salina: I only have one thing that was said by Charlene in reference to Suzanne.

Salina: She said most of the time she goes around without the sense God gave a goose.

Salina: And that sounded pretty Southern to me.

Nikki: What about references you had to look up or that we need to talk about?

Salina: You went through the name drop, so we're good there.

Salina: I looked up.

Salina: Mom paw Kettle.

Salina: We've talked extensively about that.

Salina: You're welcome.

Salina: And then I hope you loved it.

Salina: And then the other thing I looked up was a Mercedes 450 SL.

Salina: Only because it's like the second reference we've gotten this season, which felt weird.

Salina: Anthony references it in his Anthony Centric episode.

Nikki: No.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: Where is it mentioned in this episode?

Salina: In this one.

Nikki: Sheffield drives it.

Salina: Yeah, I think so.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: I asked Casey, who has, like, a savant level knowledge of cars, like, he didn't even have to think about it because I was like, why do they keep talking about this car?

Salina: But it was discontinued in 2019.

Salina: But it's coming back, guys, in 2022 as an SL 55 and SL 63.

Salina: He's not surprised that they reference it because it's a very popular model and apparently it's been around since the 1950s.

Salina: So it might be kind of like that Epitome car, right?

Nikki: Like a Packard, if you will.

Nikki: Like a packard.

Salina: I'm going to tell you something, Nikki.

Salina: If a Packard came through and let's just say I was at a car wash, I would stop that man and be like, take a picture with me.

Nikki: Episode five.

Salina: I was just going to say, if you don't know that reference and you're not listening to the show and then SL, it means Sports Light or Sport Light.

Salina: Cut lines.

Salina: Got to get that line cut.

Nikki: I found two.

Nikki: So one of them was at the beginning of the episode when the women are talking about Bridget Nielsen.

Nikki: Suzanne says, people have no sense of history anymore.

Nikki: In the original.

Nikki: She goes on to say, I was talking to some Pi Fi Rushies the other day.

Nikki: They don't even know Elizabeth Taylor.

Nikki: Charlene says, oh, that's depressing, isn't it?

Nikki: It makes you wonder what's going to happen after our generation is gone.

Nikki: I bring this up because you and I have talked often about this concept of younger generations not knowing the references of their elders, their elder millennials, if you will.

Nikki: And it's a real pain point.

Nikki: I feel like for both of us, we both feel pretty strongly that being young is not an excuse to not understand pop culture references.

Nikki: And more importantly to me, I appreciate the opportunity to tell someone, oh, you don't remember behind the Music?

Nikki: Let me tell you about David Cassidy.

Nikki: I appreciate that.

Nikki: It's more this part where it's like, oh, that's before my time.

Nikki: I think I'm way too young for that.

Salina: Because it sounds like an excuse.

Nikki: It sounds like an excuse.

Nikki: And also it's super offensive.

Nikki: I'm not super old for knowing who David Cassidy is, who, by the way, was a celebrity before I was a I just I'm sorry, did this recently happen to okay, no, it just that line when I was reading the cut lines I'm really trying to limit my commentary on cut lines to things that actually matter to me.

Nikki: That one really darn mattered to me.

Salina: Can I read you something?

Nikki: Sure.

Salina: My pet peeve.

Salina: When people don't know references outside of their generation sorry, who's Elvis?

Salina: That was before I was born.

Salina: You sound like an idiot.

Nikki: Educate yourself.

Nikki: Now, I have a theory, which I know I've shared with you before that.

Nikki: I think a lot of it right now for this current generation is coming from a place of the way we consume media.

Salina: Yes.

Nikki: So when I was a kid, we had VHS lying around that my parents had collected in the you had really nothing else to do, so you'd throw it in and you'd watch Rain Man or what was the one I just mentioned a few minutes ago?

Nikki: Scent of a woman.

Nikki: Do you want to know how I've watched those movies?

Nikki: Because my mom had the VHS.

Nikki: I was home on summer break and I popped it in and watched it.

Nikki: We consume media so differently now that I feel like it's easy to get past some of those things and not see them.

Salina: So I will in addendum to that, I think another reason it's not just like the digital aspect of it and the fact that maybe you don't have access to your mom's tapes or whatever, but it's also this idea that everything is it used to be really general and broad.

Salina: Everything was meant for everyone.

Salina: And as time has gone on and the media landscape has changed, we're sold well.

Salina: I was thinking more it feels like a class.

Salina: Well, but everything's like hyper tailored.

Nikki: Yeah, that's true.

Salina: So if you want to watch something about green necklaces in the springtime, well, that's wonderful because it's already on your yeah, it just released the green necklaces for springtime collection or whatever.

Salina: So it feels like people just live inside their little bubbles or niches.

Salina: Also, it's probably a reason why we don't get exposed to enough people's perspectives and leave said bubble.

Salina: Because even if we don't agree with other people's bubbles.

Salina: We need to know about them because it makes us better humans.

Nikki: All of this to say we're doing this podcast.

Nikki: Salina and I are learning pop culture references as we do this.

Nikki: So there's a lot out there.

Nikki: I don't know, but it just tweaks my melon when kids are like, I'm too young.

Nikki: I don't know who what?

Nikki: Michael Jackson?

Nikki: What are you talking about?

Nikki: Thriller.

Salina: You know, I've heard people just to say that it's not just us getting old.

Salina: Yeah, because this bothered me when people our age do it, too.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: Because I've definitely like and it'll be stuff that's like in the early 90s for people our age.

Salina: I'm like, hello, you were alive in the early 90s.

Salina: You never popped on the radio.

Nikki: It's a real sensitive spot.

Nikki: That's why I brought that one up.

Salina: I liked it.

Salina: What's your other cut line?

Nikki: Second one I brought up was there was a kerfuffle in the waiting room that we didn't get to see.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: We have all the ladies together and know Anthony.

Nikki: And then suddenly you get to the waiting room and Anthony's there.

Nikki: Well, there was a kerfuffle.

Nikki: I finally pieced it together that it was about Anthony, this cut line, and I'm piecing together that it was racist.

Salina: Indeed.

Nikki: So basically he shows up and there's some kind of security guard or something challenging whether or not he can be there.

Salina: He's coming to visit and bring food.

Nikki: Right.

Nikki: That's true.

Salina: Be a good person.

Nikki: Yep.

Nikki: And Anthony calls him racist swine.

Nikki: We didn't get the opportunity to see that.

Salina: I know.

Salina: I thought that would have been nice.

Nikki: I think that part vindication.

Salina: And that's one of the things that Anthony's character has really been applauded for, is for calling people out and in a time where that wasn't as common.

Salina: I had two other before you may have mentioned this.

Salina: I don't know.

Salina: So I apologize.

Salina: Helen Jane.

Salina: They do, actually.

Salina: There's a cut line where they find out that she passed.

Nikki: Oh.

Salina: Mary Jo goes to pick up some samples from her house, and when she does that's when they find out that she passed and it kind of just threads it into the episode a little bit more.

Nikki: It's good that Valerie or whatever her name was veronica wasn't there when she got there.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: That would have made it even more awkward.

Salina: That would have been bad.

Salina: And then the last one I had is after chef kisses Julia, they cut a line where he talks about how he and Reese have always been competitive, but that feels like a good cut, so we kind of know we get it.

Salina: That would have been just a little too much.

Nikki: So next time we get episode eight, cruising in cruising, not cruising.

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Nikki: And let us know what you're learning about yourself.

Nikki: Our website is WW sweettv.com and hang tight for Extra Sugar.

Nikki: This week, we're going to play our southern trivia game that we started last season.

Nikki: We're going to bring it back this season.

Salina: Nikki's about to get real competitive, and I'm about to cry.

Salina: We're going to see you around the bin by.

Nikki: Welcome to this week's edition of extra sugar.

Nikki: As promised in the episode, we're going to play a southern trivia game.

Nikki: That's right.

Nikki: Dust off your sweet tea pitchers, grab a rocker on the front porch, and let's get into a game of.

Salina: Great.

Nikki: Salina, I'm feeling competitive today.

Salina: Just today.

Nikki: Today's the only day.

Nikki: I'm never competitive.

Salina: Well, are we making any wagers?

Nikki: Oh, I didn't think of this.

Salina: Let's not do money, because that's too easy.

Salina: Oh, you want to put a bunch of cash on the let's do a house.

Nikki: You just buy me a house.

Salina: Let's do for pinks.

Nikki: That took me far too long to figure out what you were saying.

Nikki: Starbucks feels too easy, too.

Nikki: What about a baked good?

Nikki: All right, that's but it doesn't have to be homemade.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Because I'm like, do you want my baked good?

Nikki: Let's call it a sweet treat.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: Doesn't have to be homemade.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: Does have to be sweet because I'm more of a sweet person.

Nikki: For me, at least.

Nikki: If you want salty, I can go the salty route.

Salina: I want that pineapple cake.

Nikki: Pineapple cake.

Salina: Your favorite cake.

Nikki: Oh, pineapple casserole.

Salina: Casserole.

Nikki: Casserole.

Nikki: I know we both just done it really?

Nikki: Not Southern just then.

Salina: Don't even know what that was.

Nikki: Casserole.

Nikki: Okay, I'll make you a pineapple casserole.

Salina: We need something that's equally as big, then for me, because I feel like I'm asking a lot.

Nikki: I just want something good.

Salina: Yeah, something good.

Salina: Something good.

Salina: Well, we're getting to the season of, like, pecan pie.

Nikki: Does that I was sort of thinking about asking for a crave pie.

Nikki: Oh, a crave pie.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Like the bourbon chocolate one?

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: Or a seven sister scones.

Nikki: No, it's not pushing my luck too far.

Nikki: I mean, I guess I have to win first.

Nikki: I shouldn't count my chickens before they hatch.

Salina: Well, I'll have to go get picked up in person because I tried to get seven sisters, and they'll be like, that'll be $200 for shipping and handling.

Nikki: And I was like, yeah, you got to go to Johns Creek.

Salina: You can choose okay.

Nikki: Really?

Salina: From crave?

Salina: Do you want it to be pie or a whole pie?

Nikki: A mini pie.

Nikki: Okay, let me not well, that doesn't.

Salina: Feel on par with a whole casserole.

Salina: You see what I'm saying?

Nikki: I feel like my criteria are give me something you think I'll enjoy.

Nikki: Bonus points if it's pretty.

Salina: Okay, so just so you know.

Salina: Or you could just do anything.

Salina: I feel like this is a conversation.

Nikki: That we should have this you know what?

Salina: We'll figure that out.

Salina: We'll wager, I feel like I'm going to lose.

Salina: So I don't really know what the point is.

Nikki: I don't know why I'm so confident that I need to pick out a specific sweet treat you're going to give me, because I'm just looking at these up.

Salina: I think you do.

Nikki: I should clarify.

Nikki: I'm not confident I'm going to win.

Nikki: I genuinely believe that if I want it bad enough, it'll happen when it comes.

Nikki: That's my competitive stream and I'm over.

Salina: Here like, god, how am I going to get to this flipping skull place this week?

Nikki: No, I don't know that I'm going to win.

Nikki: I just feel like if I put my head down and try hard enough so I'm going to start for you.

Nikki: Food and drink.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: One of the most heated debates in the south is over whether this ingredient should be included in cornbread.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: A, corn.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: B, milk, c, sugar.

Nikki: D, salt.

Salina: Well, it's really funny because I'm more on the eating end of Southern cooking debates and not on the cooking end of Southern cooking debates.

Salina: So you said milk, salt, sugar or corn.

Salina: I'm going to say sugar.

Nikki: Good on you.

Nikki: I'm wrong.

Nikki: That's right.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: Sugar.

Nikki: Sugar is one of the most heated debates in cornbread discussion.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: And it is indeed a heated debate in our house.

Salina: I agree.

Salina: Oh, it's a heated debate in your house.

Salina: Now, see, corn is sweet, thus it.

Nikki: Should be combined with more sugar.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: But I can see why people would say, like, I cannot.

Salina: Okay, well, I'm not getting in this debate with you.

Salina: Food and drink for Nikki.

Salina: She's so flexible, guys.

Salina: Wow, this is so easy.

Salina: How may a guest order their hash browns at Waffle House?

Salina: A, scattered, b, smothered, c, chunked, or D, all of the above.

Nikki: This is hard.

Nikki: I'm going to go with D, all of the above.

Nikki: I've never heard of chunked.

Salina: Oh, really?

Nikki: The only reason I knew that is because scattered and smothered were in there and I was like, well, there has to be both of them or else I'm going to fight this question.

Salina: Have you ever had them all the way?

Salina: Is that what they call it?

Salina: I don't even know it's an all.

Nikki: The way sounds right.

Salina: It's around in third base.

Nikki: I say I'll have them waffle housed.

Salina: You'll have them waffle housed?

Salina: I've had them all the way before.

Nikki: With ham in them.

Nikki: That sounds delicious.

Salina: I've done the whole thing and you know what happens?

Nikki: You ate it all and you felt bad about yourself.

Salina: No, it's not good for the tummy.

Salina: Here's a night I won't forget.

Nikki: We're tied one in one.

Salina: She's like, move on from the stomach talk.

Nikki: We don't need to talk about that.

Nikki: So this one is sports and culture.

Nikki: In 1912, the Girl Scouts were founded by Juliet Gordon Lowe.

Nikki: In what city?

Nikki: A, new orleans, b, savannah, c, charleston or d, austin?

Salina: Savannah.

Nikki: Good call.

Salina: Savannah Sports and culture.

Salina: Now, I'm going to tell you, I don't know if I agree on putting together Sports and Culture.

Nikki: I don't either, but I think they only had room for four categories.

Salina: I mean, it was their game food.

Nikki: And Sports and Culture.

Nikki: And Arts.

Nikki: I don't know.

Salina: The last one, they were, like, all mixed up, and it was like the food and drink category.

Salina: And it was like you're on the way to Alabama and you stop at a museum.

Salina: What?

Salina: Okay, what carnivorous plant is native to the wetlands of North Carolina and South Carolina?

Salina: Is it A, aloe vera, b, the pichabog, c, the cobra lily, or D, the Venus flytrap?

Nikki: Is it the Venus flytrap?

Salina: Is that your answer or is it a question?

Nikki: That's my answer.

Salina: You are correct.

Nikki: Really?

Salina: I had no idea either.

Nikki: It's the only carnivorous plant I know, and I had no idea it was native to the Carolinas.

Nikki: Maybe that's why I feel a kinship with it.

Nikki: I had a Venus flytrap.

Nikki: They're amazing.

Salina: I mean, it is interesting.

Nikki: We're tied.

Nikki: If you stick your finger in it, it thinks you're something and it closes on you.

Nikki: But it doesn't hurt.

Salina: Oh, I'm too scared to stick my finger in it.

Salina: I mean, it doesn't have teeth until it does.

Salina: Like the movie.

Salina: Which movie is that?

Nikki: I don't know.

Nikki: Rocky House of Horror.

Salina: One of those.

Salina: Whoa, we're getting them all confused.

Salina: Rocky House of H***.

Nikki: The one with the guy from Rick Moranis.

Salina: Rick and a*** yeah.

Salina: Somebody's getting annoyed.

Salina: All right.

Nikki: Literature and oughts.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: Are you googling the answers?

Nikki: No.

Salina: Little shop of horror.

Nikki: Little shop of horrors.

Salina: Rocky Shop of Horror.

Salina: How dare you, sir.

Nikki: All right, you ready?

Salina: Yeah, probably.

Salina: Wait, what's the category?

Nikki: This is hard.

Nikki: Literature and arts.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: The old L.

Salina: A.

Nikki: The Ward brothers.

Salina: Oh, God.

Salina: Can you spell that, please?

Nikki: Like Montgomery Ward.

Salina: Oh, okay.

Nikki: The Ward brothers, lee Dudley and IRA Hudson were all what type of accomplished folk artists were they?

Nikki: A, decoy carvers?

Salina: Were they decoy carvers?

Nikki: Okay, were they B, basket weavers?

Salina: Underwater?

Nikki: Were they C, puzzle makers or were they D, sign painters?

Nikki: Decoy carvers, basket weavers, puzzle makers or sign painters?

Salina: What was the question?

Nikki: What type of folk artists were those people?

Salina: What were their names?

Nikki: It's not going to help you.

Nikki: The word brothers.

Nikki: Lee Dudley and IRA Hudson.

Nikki: I feel like it would be easier if I did.

Nikki: Lee Dudley just going to show her the card.

Salina: Well, I mean, maybe I'm not great.

Salina: Dudley and Hudson decoy carvers and that might.

Nikki: Maybe.

Salina: I wish there was okay.

Salina: All right.

Salina: They were accomplished.

Salina: The War brothers were all of them all two of them Bill.

Salina: Of accomplished folk artists as decoy carver.

Nikki: No, those are three different groups of people.

Salina: What?

Nikki: Oh, the Ward brothers are one group.

Salina: Lee Dudley, Ward.

Nikki: No.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: Question was decoy carver's.

Salina: I'm going to have to look up what that is after this is all.

Nikki: Over, do you want to just flip a coin?

Salina: I can't see all of it, though.

Nikki: So I don't want you to see the answer.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: So you're a folk art.

Salina: Folk artists.

Salina: They're not painting signs or are they basket weavers?

Salina: Sounds too like a joke.

Salina: I almost want to say puzzle makers, so I'm going to say puzzle makers.

Salina: I really don't care.

Salina: It's fine.

Salina: Puzzle makers.

Nikki: They were decoy carvers.

Salina: What's a decoy carver?

Nikki: I imagine it's like hunting decoys.

Salina: Did you know that one?

Nikki: No.

Nikki: I told you it was hard.

Salina: That's made up.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Oh, it's my turn.

Nikki: It sure is.

Nikki: We're on literature and arts.

Nikki: Which is the hardest one?

Salina: The old L and the A?

Salina: I mean, it won't be for you.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: My wound this is a quote.

Nikki: Oh, God.

Salina: My wound is geography.

Salina: It is also my anchorage.

Salina: My port of call is the opening line of what?

Nikki: Pat Conroy novel?

Salina: A The Great Santini b The Prince of Tides c midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil or d charleston Walks.

Salina: Would you like that one again?

Nikki: No.

Nikki: B.

Nikki: Is that right?

Salina: Yes.

Nikki: Oh.

Nikki: What was it?

Salina: You just guessed.

Salina: B, but you didn't know what it was.

Nikki: It wasn't the midnight of garden.

Nikki: It was the Prince of Tides.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: I mean it's pretty well.

Nikki: I was torn between the Prince of Tides and the first one, the Great Santini.

Nikki: Okay.

Nikki: And then I briefly thought about The Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil because I wondered if that was like a quote about orienting you to Louisiana for that.

Salina: Oh, which would be terrible because Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil is in Savannah.

Nikki: That's right.

Nikki: Whatever, wherever it is.

Salina: But you got that.

Nikki: But I got it.

Salina: Right.

Nikki: Okay.

Nikki: I'm sorry.

Nikki: I chose from the middle of the deck.

Nikki: I have not looked.

Salina: I don't think you're cheating.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: I think I'm in h***.

Nikki: My hands are clean.

Nikki: I have nothing written on them.

Salina: Well, I'm sweaty, though.

Nikki: What spot in North Carolina was made famous by Oroville and Wilbur Wright when they took off from here on their first flights?

Nikki: Was it a kitty hawk?

Nikki: Was it B, Asheville?

Nikki: Was it c Nashville?

Nikki: Or was it D, Greenville?

Salina: I'm going to get this wrong, I think maybe feel like I should know this.

Salina: I'm not a big fan of flight history, but all that said, just like human history, I want to say kitty hawk.

Nikki: Is that your final answer?

Salina: I hate it when you look at me like that.

Salina: It's a good tool, though.

Salina: It's a good tool.

Salina: See, I think if I was creating something asheville and Nashville sound so similar that it makes me want to choose one of those because it's like to try and trip you up with that.

Salina: But meanwhile, there was a kitty hawk near me growing up, and it feels like they may have been trying to homage, if you will, to the great Kitty Hawk of the Wright Brothers in their first flight.

Salina: And then there's the last one, which could be it.

Nikki: You know, I'm glad you've taken us through your thought process.

Nikki: Greenville really narrowing it down.

Salina: Well, and it's a good listen, I'm going to go Kitty Hawk, because again, I don't care.

Salina: It's fine.

Nikki: I am really glad you chose that because Nashville is in Tennessee and Greenville is in Carolina.

Salina: So this is why you have to listen to context.

Nikki: I was like, what spot in North Carolina?

Nikki: Nashville.

Salina: Tag gummet.

Salina: I didn't even listen to the North Carolina part.

Salina: This is why I ask you to repeat the question.

Salina: But was I still wrong?

Nikki: No, you're right.

Nikki: I'm disappointed that it took you that.

Salina: Many, but I didn't hear the North Carolina part.

Nikki: But Kitty Hawk.

Nikki: It's kitty hawk.

Nikki: You got it right.

Nikki: So you got three right so far.

Nikki: So we have a chance to tie here.

Salina: Okay, I'm nervous.

Nikki: What was that category?

Nikki: Travel and places.

Salina: Whatever.

Salina: It'll probably be something like what state are you in right now?

Nikki: Well, I just said the midnight of garden and evil was in Louisiana and I knew in my heart it was Savannah.

Nikki: And this one's travel in places.

Nikki: So I'm not feeling good about my chances.

Salina: We'll see.

Salina: No, you ready?

Nikki: I'm ready.

Salina: I don't know why I just turned into the cook.

Salina: The French Cook.

Salina: She's not French.

Salina: The frying pan, a hulking still structure off the coast of North Carolina now operates as a research center and bed and breakfast in a space that was formerly A.

Salina: What?

Salina: A Coast Guard light tower, b, a cruise ship, c, an oil rig or D, a desert island?

Salina: You want that one again?

Nikki: A lighthouse just went right for it.

Salina: Why didn't say lighthouse?

Nikki: What did you say?

Salina: I said coast guard light tower.

Nikki: Light tower.

Nikki: That's what I meant.

Salina: You got it.

Salina: So how do you like your skull?

Salina: When will I learn?

Nikki: That was fun, Salina.

Salina: It sure was.

Nikki: So, just as a reminder, this is called Bless your heart a 200 trivia questions to prove your Southern know how from the editors of Goden and Gun.

Salina: Because one knows you can't go without both y'all Goden and y'all gun.

Nikki: So stay tuned next time we'll talk about my prize.

Nikki: That has been this week's.

Nikki: It extra sugar.


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