Designing Women S3 E11 - A Game Room Full of Hoo-Has and Wah-Hoos
Updated: May 12
Oh, boy - a nudist colony AND mini-me's for Suzanne and Julia ALL IN ONE EPISODE?!?! Can we even handle all the excitement? I think we can. Even if just to see how Julia and Suzanne react to their act-alike nieces (hey! Clayton’s back! Sorta.) AND what material is most comfortable on a couch…for bare bums.
At some point, we’ll “Salina’s Sidebar” on what a nudist colony community is exactly. Definitely stick around for some literal “Extra Sugar” this week - “Nikki’s Nibbles” is bringing us Southern candy!
Some reads for ya’:
Everything You've Ever Wondered About Nudist Communities, Answered
A brief history of pralines, brought to you by River Street Sweets!
The history of peanut brittle (probably) from River Street Sweets
Come on, let’s get into it!
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Salina: Hey, Nikki.
Nikki: Hey, Salina.
Salina: How are you?
Salina: Good, how are you?
Salina: I'm doing all right.
Salina: That felt like just the long enough of pause, like when hear pauses that long in a podcast.
Salina: I'm like, something's wrong, but I think what?
Salina: My brain stalled.
Nikki: I was going to say I think your brain glitched because then you were also going to say, hi, everybody.
Nikki: Yeah, that's what you usually do.
Salina: Hi, everyone.
Salina: Welcome to Sweet Tea and TV.
Salina: The podcast where Salina’s brain stalls.
Salina: Well, okay, before we get into the show today, I wanted to see if we could talk really quick, quickly.
Salina: Of course.
Salina: Basically, I just want a reason to talk about this thing I'm loving.
Nikki: Oh, okay.
Salina: And so I thought maybe we could have a quick conversation about whether or not there's anything you're enjoying right now.
Salina: Maybe it's a TV show.
Salina: Maybe it's a book.
Salina: Maybe it's sleeping.
Nikki: Got nothing.
Salina: Well, it could be.
Salina: I don't know.
Salina: Some stretches of time are just like that.
Nikki: It's true.
Nikki: I do have a couple of things right.
Salina: All right.
Salina: Lay it on me.
Nikki: Oh, I thought you would go first.
Nikki: Yeah, let's see.
Nikki: So with the where the Crawdad Sing movie coming out, the reason this is of relevance to me at least, is because Taylor Swift has an original song on the soundtrack.
Nikki: So it's entered my universe.
Nikki: I felt like I remembered trying to read this book several years ago, making it like, halfway through.
Nikki: Then my library checkout ended.
Nikki: So I just sent it back, never finished it.
Nikki: And it's really driven me crazy because I understand there's a twist at the end, and I love a good twist, but I never went back to it.
Nikki: Well, with the movie coming out and a friend telling me that it was worth the read, I've started reading it again.
Nikki: So I checked it out on I checked it out like two days ago.
Nikki: I was going to say Thursday.
Nikki: That means nothing to people.
Nikki: Checked it out two days ago.
Nikki: I'm already like, halfway through the book.
Nikki: It is not the book I remember reading.
Nikki: So now I can't remember what book I was reading that I thought was this one.
Salina: Oh, funny.
Nikki: Okay, I've read part of this, but this is not what I had in mind for this book.
Nikki: So it's really good.
Nikki: I like it.
Nikki: And I'm interested to see the twist.
Salina: It's sitting on my dresser, and it has been for some time now.
Nikki: We should know that before I waited for my library book.
Salina: Well, that's what I was just thinking, too.
Salina: It's like I could have just let you borrow it, but I guess I didn't tell you I had it.
Salina: I mean, I got it because I think the more that we are purposely immersing ourselves in southern things like that is very much so out there in the culture and has been for some time.
Salina: And so I was like, well, I got to read this, and then it just sat there, which is a lot of times what I do with books because I'm a smarty.
Nikki: Apparently the author is, like, under scrutiny for murder, I think.
Salina: And that's what the book's about.
Salina: You don't know.
Salina: Only halfway through.
Nikki: Someone dies early in the book.
Nikki: So presumably yeah, it has something to do with that, but I can't figure.
Salina: Out wouldn't that be crazy?
Salina: They should write a story about someone who like meta.
Salina: So they write a book.
Salina: No, they should make this into a ten part series because that's what we do now.
Salina: But, like, a person writes a book, and it's about someone who gets murder and they get falsely accused for it, but it turns out that they accidentally out themselves for a murder they committed.
Nikki: I don't think you have to make that meta and make it fictional.
Salina: It's happening.
Nikki: A podcast that I listen to is the Dateline podcast, and they basically run old episodes, and that's something I'm enjoying.
Nikki: So I'll just keep going with my list of things I'm enjoying, the Dateline podcast.
Nikki: And one of the stories they covered was a woman who wrote a blog post no kidding, titled how to Murder Your Husband and Get Away with It, or something like that.
Nikki: Oopsie, she murdered her husband.
Nikki: And that came out as evidence in the trial.
Nikki: So it's real.
Nikki: So those are thing one and thing two I'm enjoying.
Salina: Yeah, I had some lines still in ideas for me again.
Nikki: I know.
Nikki: Oh, and the other thing I was going to say is spending too much time between TikTok and Instagram today I'm wearing my Kirkland signature T shirt that you noticed.
Nikki: I got the idea of it from the Costco deals Instagram handle.
Nikki: They have all kinds of good Costco finds on there.
Salina: Kirkland's being the Costco brand.
Nikki: That's correct.
Nikki: Sorry, I thought I should assumed everybody knew that.
Salina: And you are rocking it.
Nikki: It's soft, and it was relatively inexpensive, which tracks brand.
Salina: How much is it?
Nikki: It's less than $10, I think.
Salina: You think that's relatively inexpensive?
Salina: Because that's a bug and basement deal, isn't it?
Nikki: Bargain basement.
Nikki: I thought you said bug in basement.
Nikki: Oh, I don't want that deal.
Nikki: I don't want that deal.
Nikki: Yeah, those are my things.
Salina: Yeah, I mean, Costco clothes are good prices.
Nikki: They are.
Nikki: I don't spend a lot of time in that section of the store because our Costco, like all Costco's, is very full.
Nikki: And that section, there's so many people there for some reason, so I usually don't make it that far because they.
Salina: Make really comfortable clothes.
Nikki: Maybe I should spend more time in there.
Salina: They have nice, like, pullovers and jackets and stuff that I like to wear in the wintertime to be cozy around the house.
Salina: Not that there's not things that I don't also wear out from there, but anyways, Costco, if you're listening for me right now, I have a guilty pleasure.
Salina: And I'm super embarrassed about it.
Salina: But I'm sorry, no offense to the creators of this show, but it's not really my type of thing.
Salina: But I've been watching the reality TV show Below Deck Mediterranean.
Salina: I'm just saying, if you do really know me, you know, this is not really my personality.
Salina: I watch reality TV every five to six years whether I need to or not.
Salina: And Casey, love him.
Salina: I couldn't believe that he was watching this show.
Salina: I was making a lot of fun of him and I was like, this show is stupid.
Salina: What are you doing?
Salina: And I think part of it is because all I could think about, if you don't know Below Deck which I don't even think I'd ever heard of maybe, like it's a Bravo show.
Salina: Maybe it was, like, somewhere in the recesses of my mind.
Salina: But it's definitely not like, I don't know, like The Bachelor or something.
Salina: It's, like, so out there.
Salina: And so I wasn't really consciously aware of it.
Salina: But it's about crews who run, like, charter yachts and it's kind of about the shenanigans between the crew.
Salina: I think it's like Downton Abbey, but not as on the high seas.
Salina: Oh, yeah.
Salina: On the high seas.
Nikki: Downton Abbey meets love is blind.
Salina: Kind of.
Salina: And then also, there's a lot to do with the way that they handle a lot of these different clientele who come on, who have these super high expectations.
Salina: Because if you can rent or, excuse me, charter a yacht, you have some serious money.
Salina: So it's a lot of millionaires and billionaires.
Salina: Because I was asking Casey the other night and I think it's like hundreds of thousands of dollars to charter these boats.
Salina: But it's just really good.
Salina: I don't know.
Salina: I think part of it is because I used to wait tables and it's a lot of that lifestyle.
Salina: And so it kind of takes me back because let me tell you, the service industry, we're a rough crowd and they know how to have a good time.
Salina: So if you're looking for just people just with wild antics and they're like, I don't know, they're not as crazy as you would think.
Salina: Because a lot of times you have to be pretty on your guests.
Salina: With guests, for sure.
Salina: But in between those times, in between charters, they get kind of crazy.
Nikki: Do they have good accommodations on the yacht?
Salina: Yeah, I think it's pretty darn nice.
Salina: I mean, I think that's part of the show where sometimes maybe and who knows how much of this is put into motion off screen for the dramatic purposes.
Salina: But maybe the inside folks and now this is the ones that are, like, doing dinner service and breakfast and lunches and all of that.
Salina: So it's like a chef and stewards.
Salina: They also are the ones who clean the rooms and do all that kind of inside.
Salina: There's also the deck crew, and that's the people that have the slides in operation and the jet skis, and they call them water toys.
Salina: I'm just going to say that sounds so dirty to me that every day get all the water toys out.
Salina: I'm like, Whoa, what show is this?
Salina: But anyway, it might be something like the captain's getting upset because the chef isn't they're not up to par.
Salina: And so a client will be like, hey, this isn't what we were expecting.
Salina: There was like one time where there was like a chef and they made some really crappy nachos.
Salina: And even the captain walked by and she was like, is this what you're serving the guests?
Salina: It was like they had put salsa and corn on chips, forgot the cheese, threw cheese on afterwards and put it in.
Salina: So if you're put it in the oven, if you're like spending $200,000 on a yacht and somebody brought you that.
Nikki: You know what nachos.
Nikki: So I was actually asking if the crew had good accommodation.
Salina: Oh, no, not at all.
Salina: Okay, perfect.
Nikki: That tracks.
Salina: It's like the smallest size bed is like, what, a twin?
Salina: Yeah, you cut about that would be a toddler, 30% off of that or something, kind of.
Salina: And then, so what it is, is usually there's like two crew per room room, and they're just really small.
Salina: Maybe like the size of a walk in closet or something.
Nikki: I was asking because I have heard that on cruise ships, the crews can get out of control at night and sometimes they have access.
Nikki: Like the captain's quarters are really nice and sometimes they'll have, like, crew parties.
Nikki: And we overheard one, one time that sounded out of control, so they can get really out of control.
Nikki: So that sounds fun, but they also stay in the crappiest rooms and are fed the nachos you just described.
Salina: I mean, I think people in the service industry work really hard.
Salina: It's like you're just doting on people's needs.
Salina: I think it's just that it's a back breaking work.
Salina: I don't care what you're doing.
Salina: It's all back breaking.
Salina: I mean, carrying around those trays and stuff that I used to do, having to do the cleaning afterwards, it's just like I don't think it gets enough.
Salina: I'm not saying it's rocket science, but it's hard.
Nikki: I worked at Quiznos.
Nikki: I understand.
Salina: I don't think people hey, you were.
Nikki: Sandwich artist is no easy lift.
Salina: Hey, if you've had a bad sandwich artist, you really need someone who knows what they're doing.
Nikki: Teach you to appreciate the good ones.
Nikki: That is the I'm not saying I.
Salina: Got a good one.
Salina: I bet you you made a heck of a sandwich.
Nikki: I can follow the little sign right there behind the bar just as well as anybody.
Salina: We might have to put you to the test.
Salina: Oh, no.
Salina: Make you make a sandwich, like on camera or something?
Nikki: Only if you like your mayonnaise toasted.
Salina: Well, and that's what I'm talking about with the nachos.
Salina: There's already salsa on there and then you throw cheese on top and put come on.
Salina: But anyways, all to say, sometimes you kind of get attached to these kids.
Salina: They're so cute at this point, so old that they seem really young, even though they're not that young, but they're just like some of them fall in love and it's sweet and you don't expect it.
Salina: And then some of them are just like have these really quirky personalities and sometimes they're like bandoned together.
Salina: Sometimes they clawed each other's eyeballs.
Nikki: You're saying you experience the range of emotions while you're watching this show?
Salina: You do.
Salina: You really do.
Nikki: And you started by apologizing to the creators, by calling it a guilty pleasure.
Nikki: I think there might be some creators out there who see that as a massive compliment because I think that's what they set out to create.
Salina: It's something that all reality except for like maybe Master Chef kind of shows, even those.
Salina: It just doesn't take a lot of brain power.
Salina: And I got to tell you, as someone who sometimes has to use a lot of brain power five days a week, two days, I'm not trying to use a lot of brain power.
Salina: And I love this scenario I've set up where I don't watch TV on the weekdays.
Salina: I'm just reading that's when you save.
Nikki: Your serious TV watching, like Designing Women.
Salina: That'S when I'm reading Chaucer.
Nikki: You're definitely not reading where the Crawdad sing?
Salina: Apparently I'm not.
Salina: It's just gathering dust, but I hear it's wonderful.
Nikki: So with that, we're ready for season three, episode eleven.
Nikki: The naked truth.
Nikki: I needed confirmation.
Nikki: I have my numbers, right?
Nikki: The naked truth.
Salina: Oh, yes.
Nikki: Hulu says the Sugar Baker ladies find it difficult to keep their cool when their latest assignment finds them at a nudist colony.
Nikki: I'm just going to add here, we don't do both descriptions anymore, but I do want to add in that there's like a smidge of the story missing, which is the two nieces coming to visit.
Nikki: Completely missing half the story.
Nikki: Yeah, so they're also coming.
Nikki: Air date February 13, 1989 OOH, a.
Salina: Nice nude Valentine's Day story.
Nikki: That's how I like my Valentine's Day.
Nikki: Yeah, we're going to call this one a game room full of hoohas and wahoos.
Nikki: That's hilarious.
Nikki: The parts of Jennifer and Camilla Sugar Baker were played by Mary Dixie Carter and Jenna Carter.
Nikki: Dixie Carter's.
Nikki: Real life daughters.
Salina: That's so fun.
Nikki: That's fun.
Nikki: It is just fun.
Nikki: This episode was written by LBT.
Nikki: And directed by Iris Dugal.
Nikki: Salina tells me that seven years after this, iris would direct Jean Smart in the short lived sitcom High Society.
Nikki: It's also worth noting.
Nikki: Is it?
Nikki: I don't know.
Nikki: Salina and I are debating whether this is worth noting, but I'm going to note it that this is the first female director we've seen since season one, episode 16.
Nikki: Reese's friend and only the third female director in the history of the show.
Nikki: Incidentally, the pilot was directed by a female.
Salina: I think what we're trying to say is it's not really easy to be a director in any facet of Hollywood.
Nikki: Oh, maybe me if you're a lady.
Nikki: Oh, okay.
Salina: A female.
Salina: If you have a v*****, it's easier to be a director when you have a p****.
Salina: Grab your bingo card.
Nikki: She had to say it.
Salina: Just needed to for the bingo players who are out there somewhere, someone's playing.
Nikki: So you want to start with a general reaction?
Salina: I do.
Salina: And it's interesting that you mentioned the fact that the nieces visiting was just gone from the description.
Salina: So my first reaction is that, okay, well, I took the nudist part to be the a plot.
Salina: So the main plot.
Salina: And then I took Julia and Suzanne's nieces visiting as the b plot.
Salina: What I would say is that these both almost feel like b plots shoved into one episode.
Salina: Shoved might not be a nice word.
Salina: I'm not 100% sure that I needed more of either, but I'm almost 100% sure I didn't need them in the same episode.
Salina: I think each should have been attached to a stronger a plot.
Nikki: I'm glad you brought that up, because that was my first general reaction, was that I thought the plotline around the girls was really cute for what you just said when I mentioned that they were Dixie Carter's real life daughters, it's just cute.
Nikki: It's fun cute.
Nikki: And I thought it must have been fun for Dixie to work with the girls.
Nikki: Of course, the plotline that's paired with them is really adorable.
Nikki: But my number one question for you was going to be if you had a reaction to these two plotlines being together, because I figured you did, and I think the way you articulated it is way better than I ever would have, but agreed.
Salina: Well, thank you for the compliment.
Salina: And, yeah, I don't know.
Salina: It bothered me a little bit.
Salina: I mean, not so much that I didn't enjoy it.
Salina: Can we flesh out this idea of the two nieces being on there and what that storyline was like?
Salina: So for them to be like these carbon copies of Julia and Suzanne, it's so fun finding out that they're Dixie's daughters.
Salina: That made me like the episode, like, 15% more because I'd already watched it.
Salina: And then this was trivia that I found out afterwards.
Salina: And I'm curious, did you find that on your own or did me putting in the trivia?
Nikki: I had seen it.
Nikki: We gave the whole season a cursory watch at the beginning of the season to kind of see what we were up against.
Nikki: And I had seen their names in the credits and kind of put two and two together.
Salina: Credit watching.
Nikki: Credit watching.
Salina: So I really liked the lack of awareness that Suzanne I guess it should have been in my likes, but the lack of awareness that Suzanne and Julia had about their most, let's call them identifiable trait.
Salina: But what didn't work for me in this was the constant bickering, because some of it was just kind of mean, and I thought it made all four of them a little bit more unlikable than they actually would be if they had had some kind of sweetness to it.
Salina: And I think that's what was missing for me.
Nikki: Okay, this isn't a general reaction.
Nikki: It probably fits better in strays, but we run the show.
Nikki: What do I care?
Nikki: I feel like we need to have a hot takes discussion on some of the hot takes they mentioned at the top of the episode.
Salina: Oh, okay.
Nikki: So Mary Joe talks about that spot between Christmas and spring, the dead zone, if you will, of the year, and how she got kind of in the doldrums.
Nikki: And I agree with that.
Nikki: I think that's pretty universally understood that that's sort of a depressing time of year.
Nikki: I feel like I know you well enough to know that's true for you, too, but I thought I would ask the question if you had a different reaction to that.
Salina: Well, one is that this is in my stray observations oh, good.
Salina: And two is that I feel like you and I, off Mike, have this conversation every year.
Nikki: Yeah, every year it gets like, February, and we're like, oh, this sucks so bad.
Salina: Or January.
Nikki: The first day back at work.
Salina: I think it's just super relatable.
Salina: That's what I thought about it.
Salina: I'm like, I feel like and even if you don't celebrate holidays at all during that time period, I feel like, just in general, as long as you're sort of in our hemisphere yeah.
Salina: That time of year just kind of sucks.
Nikki: Charlene also said something about and I didn't write the exact line down, but there's this concept that wade and Roxanne are romantic names.
Salina: Oh, I don't know.
Nikki: I remember that she was talking about maybe a show or a book, a magazine or something.
Nikki: She was?
Nikki: I don't remember.
Nikki: But she said, like, wade and Roxanne are such romantic names.
Nikki: And I was like, is that a thing we're saying?
Salina: That is so romantic.
Nikki: Wouldn't put those two together as romantic.
Salina: Dang, I sure wish I'd rewatched the episode this morning.
Nikki: And then what was your reaction to Suzanne's plan to get to the airport quickly, which is driving on the shoulder and telling the policeman, julie is hemorrhaging it's on brand.
Salina: Okay, I'm going to let this don't say much in reaction, okay?
Salina: Just in case this friend ever listens.
Salina: And I'm not going to say name or parents name, okay.
Salina: But her advice to us was, in case we were ever speeding, carry some ketchup packets in the car and then rip them open and toss them in our lap.
Salina: And I have to tell you, like, 1415 year old Salina was like, oh, my God, that's a genius.
Salina: I'm like, done and done.
Salina: Meanwhile, the truth is they don't care.
Nikki: Yeah, no, I don't think so.
Salina: They're like, oh, how terrible for you.
Salina: And also, here's your ticket.
Nikki: Here's your ticket.
Nikki: Yeah, I thought it was a pretty genius plan, so I think we're on the same page.
Salina: Yeah, I don't like it when people drive on the shoulder, I guess.
Salina: Like, what?
Salina: Oh, you think that's hilarious?
Salina: That's because I thought it was a road.
Nikki: Salina, you're on the shoulder.
Nikki: Did you know that?
Salina: This isn't Elaine.
Nikki: It's not Elaine, my friend.
Nikki: It's not elaine.
Salina: That's why we're going.
Salina: I'm like, where are my tax dollars going?
Nikki: That's with these potholes.
Salina: I mean, like, okay, you know when there will be, like, a really bad accident on the interstate and then people just back up in the shoulder?
Salina: What come you think that I so hope you get pulled over.
Salina: That makes me so mad.
Salina: Now, when an idiot like myself doesn't understand where they are on the road, that's a different story.
Nikki: That's a simple misunderstanding.
Salina: This is why I'm always asking you to drive, because I know that I'm a danger to society and it is best she is self aware.
Salina: It is best that I stay off the road.
Nikki: She is self aware.
Nikki: I appreciate that.
Salina: Was that the only ones, or did you that's it.
Salina: I wanted to make sure that we touched on all of them.
Nikki: Unfortunately, now I think I've moved straight into my strays.
Salina: Well, I have one more general reaction, but I'm almost waiting for you to tell me that maybe you have this in references.
Salina: I didn't actually have a third general reaction, so I just sucked something up here, like just a wild animal.
Nikki: You know, you don't have to have three slings.
Salina: I know I don't, but I thought this was kind of interesting.
Salina: Did you look into the daughters?
Nikki: No, not really.
Salina: Oh, perfect.
Salina: Okay, so I looked into them.
Salina: So you have Mary Dixie Carter.
Salina: That's Suzanne's Mini Me.
Salina: Which I would never have known with Julia's daughter.
Salina: I didn't think she looked like her at all, but trying to remember her.
Nikki: Face now she's the blonde one, which.
Salina: Might be that thing where I'm like a blonde to a brunette.
Salina: But anyways, so she graduated from Harvard in real life with an honors degree in English Lit and an MFA in creative Writing from The New School.
Salina: And she was a publishing director at the observer for five years.
Salina: And actually her debut novel was published last year.
Nikki: Good for her.
Salina: She's like her own website.
Salina: It's a really nice, polished website.
Salina: I couldn't find as much on.
Salina: I want to say by that spelling.
Salina: Jenna Carter.
Nikki: I think that's how I pronounced it.
Nikki: I hope that's right.
Salina: So that's our mini Julia in the episode, but it looks like she also graduated from harvard and then studied acting at London's Royal Academy of Dramatic Art and graduated from USC's master of professional writing program.
Nikki: Oh, wow.
Salina: So I just thought I'd give those ladies a shout out for some lot of education.
Nikki: Well, Jenna was also a singer songwriter of alternative pop music.
Nikki: She completed a demo in 1996.
Nikki: Oh, they were both adorable.
Nikki: Yeah, they were just darn delights.
Nikki: Mary joe.
Nikki: Man Fashion notes.
Nikki: I'm going to start with fashion notes.
Salina: Turn to the left.
Nikki: She's had such a glow up lately.
Nikki: So what I was just showing Salina is her this neon green dress and her hair or a neon green shirt tucked into a skirt.
Nikki: Her hair looks totally different this episode.
Nikki: I would say more sleek.
Nikki: I don't know how to say that, but just more intentional.
Nikki: Because we were so hard on her the first season and maybe the second.
Salina: We were not hard on her.
Nikki: Salina was hard.
Salina: These people who dressed the stylist, they.
Nikki: Did not do her any favors.
Nikki: And then suddenly, I don't know if they got a new costume designer or if Salina is making the money symbol.
Nikki: I think that's what that is.
Nikki: I'm not used to seeing that, the b*** grabbing symbol, but somebody somewhere has really put her up.
Salina: It's tailored to her and not like these gigantic you just can't put big clothes on that petite of a person, and it really look correct or it has to be done in a very certain way.
Nikki: So I wanted to call that out because she looked adorable.
Salina: Okay, well, while we're on the Mary Joe while we're on the Mary Joe train yes.
Salina: We get the first mention, I think, of Mary Joe's pet brownie.
Nikki: Oh, yeah.
Salina: Sounds like a dog from the context clues.
Salina: But what kind of dog do you think that she would have if you had a guess?
Nikki: This is tough.
Nikki: Either a dotson.
Nikki: No, it's brown.
Nikki: So I was going to say dotson or, like, a Lab.
Salina: I was going to guess a chocolate Lab.
Salina: Or maybe a cocker spaniel hair.
Salina: Curly hair.
Nikki: We both went the direction of it's.
Nikki: Either a big dog or a small dog.
Salina: Well, I also thought that and also you had to seek something that's also brown.
Salina: I'm assuming they're not just naming it brownie because it's white, but her gray.
Nikki: Maybe she has brown eyes.
Salina: Maybe, but maybe she poops a lot.
Salina: I didn't want to say that.
Salina: Hands down, today, Mary Joe would have a rescue.
Nikki: Oh, definitely.
Salina: Maybe even then.
Nikki: Yeah, for sure.
Nikki: Unless it was purchased with Ted.
Nikki: And Ted is likely to go to.
Salina: Only the most $3,000 dog available.
Nikki: In which case, maybe it would have been a golden doodle, because those can be a little bit brown, I think.
Nikki: I didn't say her name was chocolate brownie.
Nikki: Yeah, she just said brownie.
Salina: That's true.
Salina: It could have been a blondie, which I really enjoy a blondie and now I'm hungry.
Salina: What other strays did you have?
Nikki: I thought the script introduction to the nieces was really awkward.
Nikki: They've established they're waiting on their nieces.
Nikki: So then Charlene says, Clayton called.
Nikki: He wanted to see if your nieces arrived.
Nikki: It was just in the last episode.
Nikki: We talked about contrived and awkward and like, if we're already going to just pretend clayton is this person that they have this relationship with now, even though we never hear about him, I just don't think we need to make this big.
Nikki: Like, they say our nieces are coming to visit.
Nikki: This is the first time we've ever met Clayton's kids.
Nikki: And then Charlene says the nieces are coming.
Nikki: It just felt awkward.
Salina: Also love it.
Salina: It starts to sound a little scary.
Salina: The nieces are coming.
Salina: The nieces are coming.
Nikki: When you brought up Mary Joe, I thought you were bringing her up to say she said breasts in describing the nudist colony, which I believe is on our bingo card.
Salina: Definitely is on our bingo card.
Salina: I just didn't remember anything about breasts.
Nikki: On the note of breasts, can I add that Tom Catcherside said about Julia, I'm sure she's held up well.
Salina: That's in my dislikes.
Nikki: What an awkward thing to say.
Salina: I think.
Salina: Well, I'll just go ahead and skip down to what I said for that.
Salina: It was just a really odd line.
Salina: She's a beautiful girl.
Salina: I bet she's held up well.
Salina: Compliments were just like kind of crappy.
Nikki: In the 80s or at least in.
Salina: The show, because to me, it feels like he might as well have said, I bet you she's still perky in all the right places, if you know what I mean.
Nikki: Maybe LBT is really bad at giving.
Salina: Compliments, or maybe she's received that compliment.
Nikki: Or maybe she wished she'd received that compliment before.
Salina: Well, I mean, I wouldn't really mind someone saying it.
Salina: I mean, I wouldn't like it, but at the same time I'd be like, why, thank you.
Salina: But also, please don't say that because it's really creepy.
Salina: But like, thanks.
Nikki: I think there's a way to say, oh, man, she was beautiful in college.
Nikki: I bet she's the most beautiful woman now.
Nikki: I was going to say 40 year old adult woman.
Nikki: Yeah, it felt weird.
Nikki: Maybe I'm also really bad with giving color.
Salina: I have no doubt that she is.
Nikki: Still the most beautiful there you go.
Salina: To ever walk in a room.
Nikki: I generally just try not to comment on people personal appearance.
Salina: Yeah, it's just too much.
Salina: It's too difficult.
Nikki: There's too many traps.
Salina: Lots of traps.
Nikki: This is very important, college students writing letters.
Nikki: Remember we had the conversation about Payne writing his mom a letter?
Nikki: There's a whole thing at the end where Julia asked the girls to write.
Salina: Her a letter, which means that you were right.
Salina: She must have asked Payne to write a letter.
Salina: And that's the only reason.
Nikki: Why else do you think I'm circling back around to this?
Nikki: So that I can hear you say you were right, idiot.
Salina: I actually had that as a like because I liked her response so much.
Nikki: And that I was right.
Salina: Well, first of all, I love it every time.
Salina: You're right.
Salina: That is always my best day ever.
Salina: But I liked that she was just like, I don't write letters, but you can call me if you want.
Nikki: I bet Payne said that, too.
Salina: And today it would just be like you can text today.
Salina: It would be like, no, don't call me, but you can text me.
Salina: I just think there's more expedient forms of communication.
Salina: All right, so let's do Salina's sidebar.
Nikki: Shall we do it?
Nikki: It's a sidebar.
Nikki: Salina sidebar.
Nikki: She's got a keyboard.
Nikki: Looking for a reward by digging deep in the obscure, taking us on a detour.
Nikki: You got Salina in Salina sidebar?
Salina: Okay, so it's like this.
Salina: When are we ever going to get another opportunity to talk about nudists?
Nikki: I would prefer every day, but it sounds like not you would prefer every day.
Salina: Okay, so I thought for today, shall we shed our inhibitions?
Nikki: No, Salina, I'm not getting naked in front of you.
Salina: Keep our clothes on.
Salina: Be the never nudes that we are and talk about.
Nikki: I have my jean shorts on.
Salina: Just her jeans.
Salina: Is that weird for you all?
Salina: Nikki just fell out of her chair.
Salina: All right, so actually speaking, I just called you out as a never nude.
Salina: But before we get into it, what are your thoughts on the nudist lifestyle?
Salina: Be careful.
Salina: We may have nudists in our listenership.
Nikki: I say you do.
Nikki: You just with general things in life.
Nikki: We talk about this all the time.
Nikki: You do?
Nikki: You I will probably not be joining you.
Salina: And that's what my second question is.
Salina: Is this appealing to you at all?
Salina: No, not at all.
Nikki: So we've been to the Caribbean where there are topless beaches.
Nikki: Stresses me out so much.
Nikki: There's just so much that could go wrong.
Nikki: Yeah, just in general.
Nikki: So no, that's not for me.
Salina: You could lose a nipple.
Nikki: I have friends who self admittedly sleep naked and I can't imagine anything worse than that.
Salina: I do think you should do it at least once in your life if.
Nikki: You haven't done it.
Nikki: Okay, this happened a time or two, but like, by routine, like just getting in bed naked.
Nikki: What if there's a fire?
Nikki: What if your child needs I think that's your dog.
Salina: I think that's why you keep your clothes nearby.
Salina: But I also feel like if you're free enough that you sleep naked, that's probably not number one on your list.
Salina: You're probably not worried about it.
Salina: Maybe I'm wrong.
Nikki: My God, I can't imagine.
Salina: Can you imagine those two types of personalities existing in one person where they're like, no clothes, but also I like to keep a neat pile by the.
Nikki: Bed in case exactly.
Salina: Firefighter comes.
Nikki: I can't even fathom.
Nikki: So nudist colonies, not for me, but if they're for you, man, how about it?
Salina: Well, so it is not appealing specifically for me.
Salina: If we are talking about generally, then I'm going to say yes.
Salina: Now let me tell you why.
Salina: One article mentioned that it's similar to the freedom that you feel if you've ever skinny dipped.
Salina: So I definitely get that because it is freeing.
Salina: Oh, my God.
Salina: Are you about to tell me that you've never skinny dipped all the water.
Nikki: In all the places?
Salina: So that's a no.
Nikki: I didn't say no.
Nikki: How would you think I would know all the water in all the places?
Salina: It didn't feel freeing to you, then?
Salina: Okay, that is so stressful, too.
Salina: You're going to identify with this.
Salina: This one, you will.
Salina: I hate being hot and sweaty.
Salina: So anything that makes me feel less hot is going to sound somewhat appealing.
Salina: So that's appealing.
Salina: You sweat less when you don't have clothes on.
Nikki: That's right.
Salina: Except for the nerves.
Nikki: I feel like if I am I'm sweating now.
Nikki: I'm sweating now as well.
Salina: And to think you just sit there with your top off and still sweating.
Nikki: Not topless.
Salina: Okay, so all of that aside, I have a technical note before we jump in.
Salina: Do you want to talk about something?
Nikki: Because no, I'm so stressed out about what?
Nikki: The direction this is going now that you've asked me all my personal nudist questions and preferences.
Salina: But just on air, right.
Nikki: In the country, at least.
Salina: Just recorded.
Salina: Just recorded.
Nikki: Sitting here naked.
Nikki: You got this camera on.
Salina: You just don't know how to have guests over.
Salina: Okay, so we non nudist.
Salina: We call them colonies, but nudists call them communities.
Salina: So I think that's an important distinction, and that's something I'll try and do from here on out.
Nikki: I like that.
Salina: All right.
Salina: Any guesses where the largest nudist community is in the world?
Nikki: In the world?
Salina: You want to take a second guess?
Nikki: Las Vegas.
Salina: No, in the world.
Nikki: I know, I figured you said world for a reason.
Nikki: To throw you Asia, Australia, Europe, Antarctica, South America, the nature village of oh, the Naturist village.
Salina: Cap de Agda in France has one.
Nikki: Oh, I should have guessed France.
Salina: I was very surprised.
Salina: I thought you were going to get that one straight away.
Salina: I asked Casey just as like, a pass.
Salina: I was like, what do you think it is?
Salina: He was like, France?
Nikki: Whatever, man.
Nikki: Why don't you do this podcast with Casey?
Salina: He's not as good.
Salina: Did that redeem me some?
Salina: And I think it's CaPTA agda.
Salina: It's like the d apostrophe A-G-D-E-A-G.
Salina: Come on now.
Salina: You're supposed to be our friend extra.
Nikki: I was struggling now because I was just so wrong at everything.
Salina: Okay, so the nature's village, they have 180 businesses, a marina, and a two kilometer stretch of beach nude.
Salina: The population grows to about 40,000 in the summer months, and Nudity is seen as a symbol of equality.
Salina: So it is strictly no clothing, but it's also family friendly.
Salina: And for the record, it is one of the few places I could find where there is a Nudist grocery store.
Salina: I will tell you Casey's response to this, to which he was like, please put on some pants.
Nikki: I don't want eggplants around my eggplants.
Nikki: It's not necessary.
Salina: Well, there you have it.
Nikki: I don't want melons around my melon.
Salina: Session over.
Salina: My nonmelons would be so confused.
Nikki: I cannot imagine being a seven year old growing up with naked adults around me all the time.
Nikki: Yeah, no, for sure you wouldn't know.
Nikki: But what about when you grow up and go into the big world and everybody's suddenly wearing clothes?
Nikki: Did you ever see the movie I know you do.
Nikki: Did you ever see the movie Jungle to Jungle?
Salina: Oh, gosh, a long, long time.
Nikki: It's a fantastic movie.
Nikki: It's worth watching a million times.
Nikki: To find Tim Allen vehicle that I would watch over and over again.
Nikki: But I think about him in this scenario where he ends up in the big bold world and.
Salina: Tim Allen as a vehicle.
Nikki: Tim Allen is National Treasure.
Salina: He is a national treasure.
Salina: No doubt.
Nikki: Anyhow, just thinking about children.
Nikki: I was thinking about the babies.
Salina: From your puritan background, as am I accurate?
Nikki: Is there a college in this community?
Salina: Oh, I don't know.
Salina: I don't even know that.
Salina: They're not all a lot of older people, but we'll get there so that's it on them.
Salina: But thrillist answers some common ponderings about these communities.
Salina: So perhaps as well, I never read about a college, so I'm going to go with no.
Salina: Much like they point out in the episode, a nudist community is like any other community.
Salina: Sands clothing.
Salina: It can be as simple as a bunch of mobile homes banded together where they've decided, this is our lifestyle.
Salina: Or it can be communities that are walled in and gated and quite expensive.
Nikki: Do you know in all your research and maybe you'll get to this, do they have to have a special permit?
Salina: I don't know about that because I'm.
Nikki: Just imagining you come up to a mobile five.
Salina: Yeah, I don't know.
Salina: That's a great question.
Nikki: Okay, carry on.
Salina: Higher end options include now, I think the one I read about, I don't remember the name, but I think it is in California.
Salina: But higher end options include the Nudist resorts with your typical resort amenities, your restaurants, your pools, your activities.
Salina: The resorts are a way for people to try the lifestyle on, if you will.
Salina: There's a lot of really good nude puns.
Nikki: I know, I was just sitting here trying to think of a really good one.
Nikki: Ping pong something I don't know.
Nikki: I couldn't think of it.
Salina: That's I think where they lose me for sure.
Nikki: I don't have the sense of humor.
Nikki: My sense of humor.
Nikki: It's not mature enough to exist in a nudist community because all I would ever do is talk about the balls.
Salina: I see what you're saying.
Salina: So there is a misconception that all nudists are swingers.
Salina: This is obviously not true.
Nikki: Not true.
Salina: Much like clothed communities, some people are right.
Salina: So there is also this assumption that communities, members of these communities skew older.
Salina: That one is true because while there is a wide variety of ages that you can find in these communities, members are frequently of retirement age for obvious reasons.
Nikki: They're done.
Salina: They're just done.
Salina: I do think that might have something to do with it.
Salina: But it's more like the idea if you do want to live a nudist lifestyle, it's really hard to go into Microsoft, right.
Salina: Because they're not probably as okay with it.
Nikki: I want to go back to the one before this.
Nikki: It's almost like a presumption that being a nudist is tied to sexual preferences.
Nikki: And again, taking the human body is the only thing it's good for is sex.
Nikki: And it feels like those two issues have to be disentangled because they're not necessarily one and the same.
Salina: And that does feel like more of like a puritanical.
Salina: I grew up in that kind of system kind of train of thought.
Salina: Because you put in nudity with sex.
Nikki: And you put exactly.
Salina: Sex with bad and all these things that aren't true.
Salina: Or they're a skewed version of the truth.
Salina: The other one that I found that I thought was interesting is most nudists resorts are leery of singles.
Salina: Some won't allow them at all or will charge money for entry, especially for single men.
Salina: This gives me flashes of Eurotrip at the new beach.
Nikki: So glad you brought that up because that is the only visual that keeps going through my head as we're talking about beautiful.
Salina: It's so bad, so bouncy.
Nikki: And Chasey.
Salina: Yeah, because there's like 100 men and one girl.
Salina: Yeah, I read that.
Salina: It's a lot about keeping and this is pretty heterocentric, but about keeping the genders equal in terms of the amount, but also for that very reason, like what you see in Eurotrip.
Salina: I don't think you want it to be that outsized well, and that's an.
Nikki: Interesting flip of the conversation we were just having about nudity and sexuality being tied one to one because by that argument it's almost as if the communities themselves are tying them together that way.
Salina: I just think that's like probably an uncomfortable experience no matter who you are, for it to be that majority to minority.
Salina: But yes, I think you're right that it does take that argument and shake it up a little bit.
Salina: Like any good Southerner, we must discuss the proper etiquette on newest communities and results because if we ever decide to.
Nikki: Go, I will just I want to know.
Nikki: Oh my gosh.
Salina: And I really would be embarrassed.
Nikki: Oh, I would be mortified yes.
Salina: If I didn't do what the rules were.
Nikki: I had a washcloth over my front.
Nikki: Don't cover yourself up, Nikki.
Salina: That's right.
Salina: Say that according to a mental floss article.
Salina: So there are some places that will host clothing optional events.
Salina: Others are truly clothes free.
Salina: And so you need to follow suit, as it were.
Nikki: Could you imagine being the single clothed person in a group of naked people?
Nikki: Somehow that feels just as like they experienced in this episode.
Nikki: It feels somewhat awkward, too.
Salina: I like to imagine that you're at least showing up with some other clothes people.
Nikki: I would hope so.
Salina: Closed people.
Salina: But for the clothing option gatherings, there is a type of dress code.
Salina: And this kind of goes to what you were talking about before.
Nikki: No bras, no underwear.
Salina: No it's no provocative lingerie.
Salina: Dresses or tight jeans were the ones that were specifically named.
Salina: These are not welcome sites.
Salina: And this is because it's more about being naked at these places.
Salina: It's less about trying to be sexy.
Salina: And I think that's the distinction, right?
Salina: That your skin is like people truly feel uncomfortable in it.
Salina: It's not about trying to have sex appeal.
Salina: It's just about being you a state of being.
Nikki: Your skin is your clothes.
Salina: Now this is interesting.
Salina: You can accessorize hats.
Salina: Jewelry and shoes are acceptable here's where they actually lose me.
Salina: I know.
Salina: Suddenly I'm picturing someone naked except for crocs and a pinky ring.
Salina: And I'm going to tell you right now that's a deal breaker for me.
Nikki: You just described my ideal nudist colony outfit.
Salina: Just everyone in crocs and not another title.
Salina: A couple of other rules.
Salina: Some places don't allow cameras.
Nikki: Thank God.
Salina: Another rule I'm totally into, bring a towel wherever you go.
Nikki: Oh, yeah.
Salina: For sitting.
Nikki: That's the thing I think about.
Nikki: I really can't handle naked people sitting on a couch.
Salina: And you won't have to because they'll be on a towel.
Nikki: Thank God.
Salina: And then most clubs don't allow PDA outside of handholding or a quick hug.
Salina: And my takeaway is that news communities have some high points.
Salina: It helps with the quality.
Salina: No pit stains, good etiquette, and you're saving a heck a lot of money in clothes.
Nikki: Yeah, that's true.
Salina: Of course, I'd lose all that money in sunscreen, but it's something to think about.
Salina: And that's this week's.
Salina: Salina, sidebar.
Salina: What'd you like about this episode, Nikki?
Nikki: I think the first one we've talked I have two.
Nikki: I think the first thing we've talked about a lot, which was this chance for Julia and Suzanne to look in the mirror via their nieces.
Nikki: I thought it was a fun twist.
Nikki: I didn't take away the Sniping and the Ugliness.
Nikki: It didn't register with me that that's all they were doing.
Nikki: I see that perspective now.
Nikki: As I was watching the episode, it all made me laugh.
Nikki: So I really liked that.
Nikki: I loved Dixie Carter's real daughters being in the episode.
Nikki: They were perfect for their roles.
Nikki: My second one was that we had a series of really funny one liners or interactions between the women.
Nikki: So, of course, Suzanne's, if it don't look good, don't stick it on your front porch.
Nikki: And then that spot where they came back from the nudist community, and Mary Joe said, did you see that one, man?
Nikki: And Charlene was like, yes, I did.
Nikki: And their body language was really funny.
Nikki: And then outside of the nudist community, there was a part where the counterpart to Suzanne, whose name I'm forgetting, says that she Jennifer.
Nikki: Jennifer says she had a pinch nerve in her back.
Nikki: And Suzanne says, I usually have a pinch nerve myself.
Nikki: I just forgot to mention it before you did.
Salina: That was so great.
Nikki: So funny.
Nikki: So those were the things I liked.
Salina: I think we like shades of the same things.
Salina: It's Suzanne getting a taste of her own medicine.
Salina: And Julia the pinch nerve one is a great example, but also she's getting ran all over the place.
Salina: Suzanne does that all the time.
Salina: She also does it a lot to Anthony.
Salina: Yeah, which frustrates me.
Nikki: Hashtag justice for Anthony.
Salina: Justice for Anthony.
Salina: And so it's nice to see her have to experience that.
Salina: Julia getting a run for her money with her opinions, convictions, and on the spot lectures was very nice.
Salina: I also like the exchange between Tom and Anthony, and Tom says, I'm sure we're just like the people who live in your own neighborhood.
Salina: Isn't that right, Anthony?
Salina: Anthony says, well, I wouldn't know.
Salina: There are not that many naked white people running around my neighborhood.
Salina: And I just thought that was, like, so tongue in cheek and just love you anyways, Suzanne's take on nudist colonies communities.
Salina: Communities, man, it's hard.
Salina: You got to learn the lessons.
Salina: Learn the learn.
Salina: Well, that's ridiculous.
Salina: I mean, what's the point of getting married if you can see somebody naked without paying for it?
Salina: She's so practical, that one.
Salina: And I love the juvenile kind of jokes around between the girls as well.
Salina: There was one where she said, wow, did you see that guy?
Salina: He sure was tall.
Salina: I've always enjoyed that kind of humor.
Salina: It's like dirty adjacent, right.
Salina: Without having to go fully into it, which I'm okay with, too, but it's.
Nikki: Like, childish dirty, like what a 13 year old thinks of as the worst of the worst.
Salina: But there's something that's very smart about not just going straight for the p**** joke, like, I will, and just, like, backing it up a little bit and making you think, and I think that's really good.
Salina: What about things you didn't like?
Nikki: I don't have anything really serious here.
Nikki: I think you touched on at the top of the episode this idea of pairing these two plotlines together.
Nikki: We talked about how you did that really articulately, so I wasn't going to redo it.
Nikki: I think I agree with that.
Nikki: And I think I didn't know that I agreed with that until you articulated it that way, so I'd put that in the didn't like category.
Nikki: But the one thing I had was that Clayton Light reference, like, they have a brother.
Nikki: They don't have a brother.
Nikki: He's in their lives.
Nikki: He's not in their lives.
Nikki: I'm just kind of over that.
Nikki: So I'm always going to hate that one.
Salina: Yeah, that's understandable.
Salina: Well, I talked about mine earlier when we talked about that weird thing that Tom says about her holding up in all the right places.
Salina: And then I'm with you just mentioned amb plots again and again.
Salina: I feel bad with something like that saying it as strong as, like I don't like necessarily.
Salina: It's just this is something that I feel like could have been strengthened if they had just done it a slightly different way.
Salina: How about we rate this sucker?
Nikki: I've got sticky wicker chairs, and this one's hard for me because coming into recording today, it was a five out of a five.
Nikki: And I will tell you, it's because I couldn't think of anything to ding it on.
Nikki: And it feels bad to give it anything less than a five if you don't have a criticism.
Salina: Yeah, fair enough.
Nikki: So I'm still going to give it a five out of five because I don't want to claim your idea as my own, but you did make me think rethink things.
Nikki: I liked both plotlines.
Nikki: I thought they were very clever together.
Nikki: They didn't need to coexist.
Nikki: But I would say, generally speaking, that notwithstanding this concept, this script writing, this interaction between characters, I think, is Designing Women at its finest.
Nikki: It's very similar to Mr.
Nikki: Bailey for me.
Nikki: I love the crazy, far fetched plotlines when they come together in a really cohesive, nice way.
Nikki: And I did feel like in this episode and you've mentioned this a few times, this idea of there being no resolution, no A to B, you just sort of circle around and don't come to any sort of nothing.
Nikki: This I felt like there was a little something, which was the sisters kind of getting a chance to see themselves and then realize they're still better together even though they annoy each other, but then they become a little more self aware of their own things.
Nikki: What did you call them?
Nikki: Most noticeable traits?
Salina: Yeah, I think so.
Nikki: Something like that.
Salina: Anyway, identifiable traits.
Nikki: Identifiable traits.
Nikki: There you go.
Nikki: Five out of five.
Salina: Okay, so I gave it 3.8 out of five.
Nikki: Dang, you're scoring low lately.
Salina: Just mean.
Salina: The meanest, meanie.
Salina: A 3.8 out of five.
Salina: Rug burned bums.
Salina: Which sounds terrible.
Salina: Sounds awful.
Nikki: That sounds really rough.
Salina: I'm like, I wish that was that exciting, but it would have been something stupid, like I fell down carpeted stairs.
Salina: Feel like I want to clear that one up.
Salina: I had some issues with it, but overall, I thought it was fun.
Salina: It was quick, but going by at such a good pace, I think those usually are better ones for me.
Salina: I don't know whose idea it was, but I love that they found a way to include Dixie's daughters.
Salina: I just think that was a good idea.
Salina: And I do think it's good comedy to put our leads in uncomfortable situations, for sure.
Salina: So the more I think about it, the more I think where I actually could have spent more time was there watching Mary, Joe, Charlene, and Anthony not have any idea how to act in that situation.
Salina: Yeah, that would have been worth more time.
Salina: This feels terrible wording for this episode, but who won the episode or who buttered our biscuits?
Nikki: I'm giving it to Julia in this episode, which is interesting because I'm realizing in this moment, I think I gave it to Julia last episode, too.
Nikki: So maybe the Julia ship is turning for me.
Nikki: But it's simply because of the last five minutes.
Nikki: They were talking to her about the people at the nudist community, and she actually laughed and then shared her thoughts on what she saw at the community.
Nikki: And I died because it would have been more in character for Julia to act above it all.
Nikki: And, like, she is so worldly that this didn't throw her for a loop.
Nikki: And the fact that she was like, yeah, no, I'm just as bad as you guys are.
Nikki: It killed me, and I loved it.
Nikki: She was actually, dare I say, enjoyable.
Salina: Oh, very nice.