Designing Women S3 E11 - A Game Room Full of Hoo-Has and Wah-Hoos

Oh, boy - a nudist colony AND mini-me's for Suzanne and Julia ALL IN ONE EPISODE?!?! Can we even handle all the excitement? I think we can. Even if just to see how Julia and Suzanne react to their act-alike nieces (hey! Clayton’s back! Sorta.) AND what material is most comfortable on a couch…for bare bums.

At some point, we’ll “Salina’s Sidebar” on what a nudist colony community is exactly. Definitely stick around for some literal “Extra Sugar” this week - “Nikki’s Nibbles” is bringing us Southern candy!

Some reads for ya’:

• Everything You've Ever Wondered About Nudist Communities, Answered

• 9 Nudist Resort Rules of Etiquette

• Iconic Southern Candies, according to Southern Living

• A brief history of pralines, brought to you by River Street Sweets!

• Potato Candy Recipe

• How the GooGoo got its name

• The history of the bourbon ball

• The history of peanut brittle (probably) from River Street Sweets

• The 'Preppy Handbook' & Me - The New York Times

Come on, let’s get into it!

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Transcript

Salina: Hey, Nikki.

Nikki: Hey, Salina.

Salina: How are you?

Salina: Good, how are you?

Salina: I'm doing all right.

Salina: That felt like just the long enough of pause, like when hear pauses that long in a podcast.

Salina: I'm like, something's wrong, but I think what?

Salina: My brain stalled.

Nikki: I was going to say I think your brain glitched because then you were also going to say, hi, everybody.

Nikki: Yeah, that's what you usually do.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: Hi, everyone.

Salina: Welcome to Sweet Tea and TV.

Salina: The podcast where Salina’s brain stalls.

Salina: Well, okay, before we get into the show today, I wanted to see if we could talk really quick, quickly.

Salina: Of course.

Salina: Basically, I just want a reason to talk about this thing I'm loving.

Nikki: Oh, okay.

Salina: And so I thought maybe we could have a quick conversation about whether or not there's anything you're enjoying right now.

Salina: Maybe it's a TV show.

Salina: Maybe it's a book.

Salina: Maybe it's sleeping.

Nikki: Got nothing.

Salina: Nothing.

Salina: Well, it could be.

Salina: I don't know.

Salina: Some stretches of time are just like that.

Nikki: It's true.

Nikki: I do have a couple of things right.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: All right.

Salina: Lay it on me.

Nikki: Oh, I thought you would go first.

Nikki: Yeah, let's see.

Nikki: Oh.

Nikki: So with the where the Crawdad Sing movie coming out, the reason this is of relevance to me at least, is because Taylor Swift has an original song on the soundtrack.

Nikki: So it's entered my universe.

Nikki: I felt like I remembered trying to read this book several years ago, making it like, halfway through.

Nikki: Then my library checkout ended.

Nikki: So I just sent it back, never finished it.

Nikki: And it's really driven me crazy because I understand there's a twist at the end, and I love a good twist, but I never went back to it.

Nikki: Well, with the movie coming out and a friend telling me that it was worth the read, I've started reading it again.

Nikki: So I checked it out on I checked it out like two days ago.

Nikki: I was going to say Thursday.

Nikki: That means nothing to people.

Nikki: Checked it out two days ago.

Nikki: I'm already like, halfway through the book.

Nikki: It is not the book I remember reading.

Nikki: So now I can't remember what book I was reading that I thought was this one.

Salina: Oh, funny.

Nikki: Okay, I've read part of this, but this is not what I had in mind for this book.

Nikki: So it's really good.

Nikki: I like it.

Nikki: And I'm interested to see the twist.

Salina: It's sitting on my dresser, and it has been for some time now.

Nikki: We should know that before I waited for my library book.

Salina: Well, that's what I was just thinking, too.

Salina: It's like I could have just let you borrow it, but I guess I didn't tell you I had it.

Salina: I mean, I got it because I think the more that we are purposely immersing ourselves in southern things like that is very much so out there in the culture and has been for some time.

Salina: And so I was like, well, I got to read this, and then it just sat there, which is a lot of times what I do with books because I'm a smarty.

Nikki: Apparently the author is, like, under scrutiny for murder, I think.

Salina: And that's what the book's about.

Salina: You don't know.

Salina: Only halfway through.

Nikki: Someone dies early in the book.

Nikki: So presumably yeah, it has something to do with that, but I can't figure.

Salina: Out wouldn't that be crazy?

Salina: They should write a story about someone who like meta.

Salina: So they write a book.

Salina: No, they should make this into a ten part series because that's what we do now.

Salina: But, like, a person writes a book, and it's about someone who gets murder and they get falsely accused for it, but it turns out that they accidentally out themselves for a murder they committed.

Nikki: I don't think you have to make that meta and make it fictional.

Nikki: Again.

Salina: It's happening.

Nikki: A podcast that I listen to is the Dateline podcast, and they basically run old episodes, and that's something I'm enjoying.

Nikki: So I'll just keep going with my list of things I'm enjoying, the Dateline podcast.

Nikki: And one of the stories they covered was a woman who wrote a blog post no kidding, titled how to Murder Your Husband and Get Away with It, or something like that.

Nikki: Oopsie, she murdered her husband.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: And that came out as evidence in the trial.

Nikki: So it's real.

Nikki: So those are thing one and thing two I'm enjoying.

Salina: Yeah, I had some lines still in ideas for me again.

Nikki: I know.

Nikki: Oh, and the other thing I was going to say is spending too much time between TikTok and Instagram today I'm wearing my Kirkland signature T shirt that you noticed.

Nikki: I got the idea of it from the Costco deals Instagram handle.

Nikki: They have all kinds of good Costco finds on there.

Salina: Kirkland's being the Costco brand.

Nikki: That's correct.

Nikki: Sorry, I thought I should assumed everybody knew that.

Nikki: Yes.

Salina: And you are rocking it.

Nikki: It's soft, and it was relatively inexpensive, which tracks brand.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: How much is it?

Nikki: It's less than $10, I think.

Salina: You think that's relatively inexpensive?

Salina: Because that's a bug and basement deal, isn't it?

Nikki: Bargain basement.

Nikki: I thought you said bug in basement.

Nikki: Oh, I don't want that deal.

Nikki: I don't want that deal.

Salina: No.

Nikki: Yeah, those are my things.

Salina: Yeah, I mean, Costco clothes are good prices.

Nikki: They are.

Nikki: I don't spend a lot of time in that section of the store because our Costco, like all Costco's, is very full.

Nikki: And that section, there's so many people there for some reason, so I usually don't make it that far because they.

Salina: Make really comfortable clothes.

Nikki: Maybe I should spend more time in there.

Salina: They have nice, like, pullovers and jackets and stuff that I like to wear in the wintertime to be cozy around the house.

Salina: Not that there's not things that I don't also wear out from there, but anyways, Costco, if you're listening for me right now, I have a guilty pleasure.

Salina: And I'm super embarrassed about it.

Salina: But I'm sorry, no offense to the creators of this show, but it's not really my type of thing.

Salina: But I've been watching the reality TV show Below Deck Mediterranean.

Salina: I'm just saying, if you do really know me, you know, this is not really my personality.

Salina: I watch reality TV every five to six years whether I need to or not.

Salina: And Casey, love him.

Salina: I couldn't believe that he was watching this show.

Salina: I was making a lot of fun of him and I was like, this show is stupid.

Salina: What are you doing?

Salina: And I think part of it is because all I could think about, if you don't know Below Deck which I don't even think I'd ever heard of maybe, like it's a Bravo show.

Salina: Maybe it was, like, somewhere in the recesses of my mind.

Nikki: Right?

Salina: But it's definitely not like, I don't know, like The Bachelor or something.

Salina: It's, like, so out there.

Salina: And so I wasn't really consciously aware of it.

Salina: But it's about crews who run, like, charter yachts and it's kind of about the shenanigans between the crew.

Salina: I think it's like Downton Abbey, but not as on the high seas.

Salina: Sophisticated.

Salina: Oh, yeah.

Salina: On the high seas.

Nikki: Downton Abbey meets love is blind.

Salina: Kind of.

Salina: And then also, there's a lot to do with the way that they handle a lot of these different clientele who come on, who have these super high expectations.

Salina: Because if you can rent or, excuse me, charter a yacht, you have some serious money.

Salina: So it's a lot of millionaires and billionaires.

Salina: Because I was asking Casey the other night and I think it's like hundreds of thousands of dollars to charter these boats.

Salina: But it's just really good.

Salina: I don't know.

Salina: I think part of it is because I used to wait tables and it's a lot of that lifestyle.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: And so it kind of takes me back because let me tell you, the service industry, we're a rough crowd and they know how to have a good time.

Salina: So if you're looking for just people just with wild antics and they're like, I don't know, they're not as crazy as you would think.

Salina: Because a lot of times you have to be pretty on your guests.

Salina: With guests, for sure.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: But in between those times, in between charters, they get kind of crazy.

Nikki: Do they have good accommodations on the yacht?

Salina: Yeah, I think it's pretty darn nice.

Salina: I mean, I think that's part of the show where sometimes maybe and who knows how much of this is put into motion off screen for the dramatic purposes.

Salina: But maybe the inside folks and now this is the ones that are, like, doing dinner service and breakfast and lunches and all of that.

Salina: So it's like a chef and stewards.

Salina: They also are the ones who clean the rooms and do all that kind of inside.

Salina: There's also the deck crew, and that's the people that have the slides in operation and the jet skis, and they call them water toys.

Salina: I'm just going to say that sounds so dirty to me that every day get all the water toys out.

Salina: I'm like, Whoa, what show is this?

Salina: But anyway, it might be something like the captain's getting upset because the chef isn't they're not up to par.

Salina: And so a client will be like, hey, this isn't what we were expecting.

Salina: There was like one time where there was like a chef and they made some really crappy nachos.

Salina: And even the captain walked by and she was like, is this what you're serving the guests?

Salina: It was like they had put salsa and corn on chips, forgot the cheese, threw cheese on afterwards and put it in.

Salina: So if you're put it in the oven, if you're like spending $200,000 on a yacht and somebody brought you that.

Nikki: You know what nachos.

Nikki: So I was actually asking if the crew had good accommodation.

Salina: Oh, no, not at all.

Salina: Okay, perfect.

Salina: Terrible.

Nikki: That tracks.

Salina: It's like the smallest size bed is like, what, a twin?

Salina: Yeah, you cut about that would be a toddler, 30% off of that or something, kind of.

Salina: And then, so what it is, is usually there's like two crew per room room, and they're just really small.

Salina: Maybe like the size of a walk in closet or something.

Nikki: I was asking because I have heard that on cruise ships, the crews can get out of control at night and sometimes they have access.

Nikki: Like the captain's quarters are really nice and sometimes they'll have, like, crew parties.

Nikki: And we overheard one, one time that sounded out of control, so they can get really out of control.

Nikki: So that sounds fun, but they also stay in the crappiest rooms and are fed the nachos you just described.

Salina: I mean, I think people in the service industry work really hard.

Salina: It's like you're just doting on people's needs.

Salina: I think it's just that it's a back breaking work.

Salina: I don't care what you're doing.

Salina: It's all back breaking.

Salina: I mean, carrying around those trays and stuff that I used to do, having to do the cleaning afterwards, it's just like I don't think it gets enough.

Salina: I'm not saying it's rocket science, but it's hard.

Nikki: I worked at Quiznos.

Nikki: I understand.

Salina: I don't think people hey, you were.

Nikki: Sandwich artist is no easy lift.

Salina: Hey, if you've had a bad sandwich artist, you really need someone who knows what they're doing.

Nikki: Teach you to appreciate the good ones.

Nikki: That is the I'm not saying I.

Salina: Got a good one.

Salina: I bet you you made a heck of a sandwich.

Nikki: I can follow the little sign right there behind the bar just as well as anybody.

Salina: We might have to put you to the test.

Salina: Oh, no.

Salina: Make you make a sandwich, like on camera or something?

Nikki: Only if you like your mayonnaise toasted.

Salina: Well, and that's what I'm talking about with the nachos.

Salina: There's already salsa on there and then you throw cheese on top and put come on.

Salina: But anyways, all to say, sometimes you kind of get attached to these kids.

Salina: They're so cute at this point, so old that they seem really young, even though they're not that young, but they're just like some of them fall in love and it's sweet and you don't expect it.

Salina: And then some of them are just like have these really quirky personalities and sometimes they're like bandoned together.

Salina: Sometimes they clawed each other's eyeballs.

Nikki: You're saying you experience the range of emotions while you're watching this show?

Salina: You do.

Salina: You really do.

Nikki: And you started by apologizing to the creators, by calling it a guilty pleasure.

Nikki: I think there might be some creators out there who see that as a massive compliment because I think that's what they set out to create.

Salina: It's something that all reality except for like maybe Master Chef kind of shows, even those.

Salina: It just doesn't take a lot of brain power.

Salina: And I got to tell you, as someone who sometimes has to use a lot of brain power five days a week, two days, I'm not trying to use a lot of brain power.

Salina: And I love this scenario I've set up where I don't watch TV on the weekdays.

Salina: I'm just reading that's when you save.

Nikki: Your serious TV watching, like Designing Women.

Salina: That'S when I'm reading Chaucer.

Nikki: You're definitely not reading where the Crawdad sing?

Salina: Apparently I'm not.

Salina: It's just gathering dust, but I hear it's wonderful.

Nikki: So with that, we're ready for season three, episode eleven.

Nikki: Yes.

Nikki: The naked truth.

Nikki: I needed confirmation.

Nikki: I have my numbers, right?

Nikki: The naked truth.

Salina: Oh, yes.

Nikki: Hulu says the Sugar Baker ladies find it difficult to keep their cool when their latest assignment finds them at a nudist colony.

Nikki: I'm just going to add here, we don't do both descriptions anymore, but I do want to add in that there's like a smidge of the story missing, which is the two nieces coming to visit.

Nikki: Completely missing half the story.

Nikki: Yeah, so they're also coming.

Nikki: Air date February 13, 1989 OOH, a.

Salina: Nice nude Valentine's Day story.

Nikki: That's how I like my Valentine's Day.

Nikki: Yeah, we're going to call this one a game room full of hoohas and wahoos.

Nikki: Nice.

Nikki: That's hilarious.

Nikki: Trivia.

Nikki: The parts of Jennifer and Camilla Sugar Baker were played by Mary Dixie Carter and Jenna Carter.

Nikki: Dixie Carter's.

Nikki: Real life daughters.

Salina: That's so fun.

Nikki: That's fun.

Nikki: It is just fun.

Nikki: This episode was written by LBT.

Nikki: And directed by Iris Dugal.

Nikki: Salina tells me that seven years after this, iris would direct Jean Smart in the short lived sitcom High Society.

Nikki: It's also worth noting.

Nikki: Is it?

Nikki: I don't know.

Nikki: Salina and I are debating whether this is worth noting, but I'm going to note it that this is the first female director we've seen since season one, episode 16.

Nikki: Reese's friend and only the third female director in the history of the show.

Nikki: Incidentally, the pilot was directed by a female.

Salina: I think what we're trying to say is it's not really easy to be a director in any facet of Hollywood.

Nikki: Oh, maybe me if you're a lady.

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: Oh, okay.

Salina: A female.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: If you have a v*****, it's easier to be a director when you have a p****.

Salina: Grab your bingo card.

Nikki: She had to say it.

Salina: Just needed to for the bingo players who are out there somewhere, someone's playing.

Nikki: So you want to start with a general reaction?

Salina: I do.

Salina: And it's interesting that you mentioned the fact that the nieces visiting was just gone from the description.

Salina: So my first reaction is that, okay, well, I took the nudist part to be the a plot.

Salina: So the main plot.

Nikki: Sure.

Salina: And then I took Julia and Suzanne's nieces visiting as the b plot.

Nikki: Interesting.

Salina: What I would say is that these both almost feel like b plots shoved into one episode.

Salina: Shoved might not be a nice word.

Salina: I'm not 100% sure that I needed more of either, but I'm almost 100% sure I didn't need them in the same episode.

Salina: I think each should have been attached to a stronger a plot.

Nikki: I'm glad you brought that up, because that was my first general reaction, was that I thought the plotline around the girls was really cute for what you just said when I mentioned that they were Dixie Carter's real life daughters, it's just cute.

Nikki: It's fun cute.

Nikki: And I thought it must have been fun for Dixie to work with the girls.

Nikki: Of course, the plotline that's paired with them is really adorable.

Nikki: But my number one question for you was going to be if you had a reaction to these two plotlines being together, because I figured you did, and I think the way you articulated it is way better than I ever would have, but agreed.

Salina: Well, thank you for the compliment.

Salina: And, yeah, I don't know.

Salina: It bothered me a little bit.

Salina: I mean, not so much that I didn't enjoy it.

Salina: Can we flesh out this idea of the two nieces being on there and what that storyline was like?

Salina: So for them to be like these carbon copies of Julia and Suzanne, it's so fun finding out that they're Dixie's daughters.

Salina: That made me like the episode, like, 15% more because I'd already watched it.

Salina: And then this was trivia that I found out afterwards.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: And I'm curious, did you find that on your own or did me putting in the trivia?

Nikki: I had seen it.

Nikki: We gave the whole season a cursory watch at the beginning of the season to kind of see what we were up against.

Nikki: And I had seen their names in the credits and kind of put two and two together.

Nikki: Smart.

Salina: Credit watching.

Nikki: Credit watching.

Salina: So I really liked the lack of awareness that Suzanne I guess it should have been in my likes, but the lack of awareness that Suzanne and Julia had about their most, let's call them identifiable trait.

Salina: Right.

Salina: But what didn't work for me in this was the constant bickering, because some of it was just kind of mean, and I thought it made all four of them a little bit more unlikable than they actually would be if they had had some kind of sweetness to it.

Salina: And I think that's what was missing for me.

Nikki: Okay, this isn't a general reaction.

Nikki: It probably fits better in strays, but we run the show.

Nikki: What do I care?

Nikki: I feel like we need to have a hot takes discussion on some of the hot takes they mentioned at the top of the episode.

Salina: Oh, okay.

Nikki: So Mary Joe talks about that spot between Christmas and spring, the dead zone, if you will, of the year, and how she got kind of in the doldrums.

Nikki: And I agree with that.

Nikki: I think that's pretty universally understood that that's sort of a depressing time of year.

Nikki: I feel like I know you well enough to know that's true for you, too, but I thought I would ask the question if you had a different reaction to that.

Salina: Well, one is that this is in my stray observations oh, good.

Nikki: Perfect.

Salina: And two is that I feel like you and I, off Mike, have this conversation every year.

Nikki: Yeah, every year it gets like, February, and we're like, oh, this sucks so bad.

Salina: Or January.

Nikki: January.

Nikki: The first day back at work.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: I think it's just super relatable.

Salina: That's what I thought about it.

Salina: I'm like, I feel like and even if you don't celebrate holidays at all during that time period, I feel like, just in general, as long as you're sort of in our hemisphere yeah.

Salina: That time of year just kind of sucks.

Nikki: Charlene also said something about and I didn't write the exact line down, but there's this concept that wade and Roxanne are romantic names.

Salina: Oh, I don't know.

Nikki: I remember that she was talking about maybe a show or a book, a magazine or something.

Nikki: She was?

Nikki: I don't remember.

Nikki: But she said, like, wade and Roxanne are such romantic names.

Nikki: And I was like, is that a thing we're saying?

Salina: That is so romantic.

Nikki: Wouldn't put those two together as romantic.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: Dang, I sure wish I'd rewatched the episode this morning.

Nikki: And then what was your reaction to Suzanne's plan to get to the airport quickly, which is driving on the shoulder and telling the policeman, julie is hemorrhaging it's on brand.

Salina: Okay, I'm going to let this don't say much in reaction, okay?

Salina: Just in case this friend ever listens.

Salina: And I'm not going to say name or parents name, okay.

Salina: But her advice to us was, in case we were ever speeding, carry some ketchup packets in the car and then rip them open and toss them in our lap.

Salina: And I have to tell you, like, 1415 year old Salina was like, oh, my God, that's a genius.

Salina: I'm like, done and done.

Salina: Meanwhile, the truth is they don't care.

Nikki: Yeah, no, I don't think so.

Salina: They're like, oh, how terrible for you.

Salina: And also, here's your ticket.

Nikki: Here's your ticket.

Nikki: Yeah, I thought it was a pretty genius plan, so I think we're on the same page.

Salina: Yeah, I don't like it when people drive on the shoulder, I guess.

Salina: Like, what?

Salina: Oh, you think that's hilarious?

Salina: That's because I thought it was a road.

Nikki: Salina, you're on the shoulder.

Nikki: Did you know that?

Salina: This isn't Elaine.

Nikki: It's not Elaine, my friend.

Nikki: It's not elaine.

Salina: That's why we're going.

Salina: I'm like, where are my tax dollars going?

Nikki: That's with these potholes.

Salina: I mean, like, okay, you know when there will be, like, a really bad accident on the interstate and then people just back up in the shoulder?

Salina: What come you think that I so hope you get pulled over.

Salina: That makes me so mad.

Salina: Now, when an idiot like myself doesn't understand where they are on the road, that's a different story.

Nikki: That's a simple misunderstanding.

Salina: This is why I'm always asking you to drive, because I know that I'm a danger to society and it is best she is self aware.

Salina: It is best that I stay off the road.

Nikki: She is self aware.

Nikki: I appreciate that.

Salina: Was that the only ones, or did you that's it.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: I wanted to make sure that we touched on all of them.

Nikki: Unfortunately, now I think I've moved straight into my strays.

Salina: Well, I have one more general reaction, but I'm almost waiting for you to tell me that maybe you have this in references.

Salina: I didn't actually have a third general reaction, so I just sucked something up here, like just a wild animal.

Nikki: You know, you don't have to have three slings.

Salina: I know I don't, but I thought this was kind of interesting.

Salina: Did you look into the daughters?

Nikki: No, not really.

Salina: Oh, perfect.

Salina: Okay, so I looked into them.

Salina: So you have Mary Dixie Carter.

Salina: That's Suzanne's Mini Me.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: Which I would never have known with Julia's daughter.

Salina: I didn't think she looked like her at all, but trying to remember her.

Nikki: Face now she's the blonde one, which.

Salina: Might be that thing where I'm like a blonde to a brunette.

Salina: Impossible.

Salina: But anyways, so she graduated from Harvard in real life with an honors degree in English Lit and an MFA in creative Writing from The New School.

Salina: And she was a publishing director at the observer for five years.

Salina: And actually her debut novel was published last year.

Nikki: Good for her.

Salina: She's like her own website.

Salina: It's a really nice, polished website.

Salina: I couldn't find as much on.

Salina: I want to say by that spelling.

Salina: G-I-N-N-A.

Salina: Jenna Carter.

Nikki: I think that's how I pronounced it.

Nikki: I hope that's right.

Salina: So that's our mini Julia in the episode, but it looks like she also graduated from harvard and then studied acting at London's Royal Academy of Dramatic Art and graduated from USC's master of professional writing program.

Nikki: Oh, wow.

Salina: So I just thought I'd give those ladies a shout out for some lot of education.

Nikki: Well, Jenna was also a singer songwriter of alternative pop music.

Nikki: She completed a demo in 1996.

Nikki: Oh, they were both adorable.

Nikki: Yeah, they were just darn delights.

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: Mary joe.

Nikki: Man Fashion notes.

Nikki: Sorry.

Nikki: I'm going to start with fashion notes.

Salina: Fashion.

Salina: Turn to the left.

Nikki: She's had such a glow up lately.

Nikki: So what I was just showing Salina is her this neon green dress and her hair or a neon green shirt tucked into a skirt.

Nikki: Her hair looks totally different this episode.

Nikki: I would say more sleek.

Nikki: I don't know how to say that, but just more intentional.

Salina: Quaffed.

Nikki: Quaffed.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: Because we were so hard on her the first season and maybe the second.

Salina: We were not hard on her.

Nikki: Salina was hard.

Salina: These people who dressed the stylist, they.

Nikki: Did not do her any favors.

Nikki: And then suddenly, I don't know if they got a new costume designer or if Salina is making the money symbol.

Nikki: I think that's what that is.

Nikki: I'm not used to seeing that, the b*** grabbing symbol, but somebody somewhere has really put her up.

Salina: It's tailored to her and not like these gigantic you just can't put big clothes on that petite of a person, and it really look correct or it has to be done in a very certain way.

Nikki: So I wanted to call that out because she looked adorable.

Salina: Okay, well, while we're on the Mary Joe while we're on the Mary Joe train yes.

Salina: We get the first mention, I think, of Mary Joe's pet brownie.

Nikki: Oh, yeah.

Salina: Sounds like a dog from the context clues.

Salina: But what kind of dog do you think that she would have if you had a guess?

Nikki: This is tough.

Nikki: Either a dotson.

Nikki: No, it's brown.

Nikki: So I was going to say dotson or, like, a Lab.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: I was going to guess a chocolate Lab.

Salina: Or maybe a cocker spaniel hair.

Salina: Curly hair.

Nikki: We both went the direction of it's.

Nikki: Either a big dog or a small dog.

Salina: Well, I also thought that and also you had to seek something that's also brown.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: I'm assuming they're not just naming it brownie because it's white, but her gray.

Nikki: Maybe she has brown eyes.

Salina: Maybe, but maybe she poops a lot.

Salina: I didn't want to say that.

Salina: Absolutely.

Salina: Hands down, today, Mary Joe would have a rescue.

Nikki: Oh, definitely.

Salina: Maybe even then.

Nikki: Yeah, for sure.

Nikki: Unless it was purchased with Ted.

Nikki: And Ted is likely to go to.

Salina: Only the most $3,000 dog available.

Salina: Please.

Nikki: Right.

Nikki: In which case, maybe it would have been a golden doodle, because those can be a little bit brown, I think.

Nikki: I didn't say her name was chocolate brownie.

Nikki: Yeah, she just said brownie.

Salina: That's true.

Salina: It could have been a blondie, which I really enjoy a blondie and now I'm hungry.

Salina: What other strays did you have?

Nikki: I thought the script introduction to the nieces was really awkward.

Nikki: They've established they're waiting on their nieces.

Nikki: So then Charlene says, Clayton called.

Nikki: He wanted to see if your nieces arrived.

Nikki: It was just in the last episode.

Nikki: We talked about contrived and awkward and like, if we're already going to just pretend clayton is this person that they have this relationship with now, even though we never hear about him, I just don't think we need to make this big.

Nikki: Like, they say our nieces are coming to visit.

Nikki: This is the first time we've ever met Clayton's kids.

Nikki: And then Charlene says the nieces are coming.

Nikki: It just felt awkward.

Salina: Also love it.

Salina: It starts to sound a little scary.

Salina: The nieces are coming.

Salina: The nieces are coming.

Nikki: When you brought up Mary Joe, I thought you were bringing her up to say she said breasts in describing the nudist colony, which I believe is on our bingo card.

Salina: Definitely is on our bingo card.

Salina: I just didn't remember anything about breasts.

Nikki: Breasts.

Nikki: On the note of breasts, can I add that Tom Catcherside said about Julia, I'm sure she's held up well.

Salina: That's in my dislikes.

Nikki: What an awkward thing to say.

Salina: I think.

Salina: Well, I'll just go ahead and skip down to what I said for that.

Salina: It was just a really odd line.

Salina: She's a beautiful girl.

Salina: I bet she's held up well.

Salina: Compliments were just like kind of crappy.

Nikki: In the 80s or at least in.

Salina: The show, because to me, it feels like he might as well have said, I bet you she's still perky in all the right places, if you know what I mean.

Nikki: Maybe LBT is really bad at giving.

Salina: Compliments, or maybe she's received that compliment.

Nikki: Or maybe she wished she'd received that compliment before.

Salina: Well, I mean, I wouldn't really mind someone saying it.

Salina: I mean, I wouldn't like it, but at the same time I'd be like, why, thank you.

Salina: But also, please don't say that because it's really creepy.

Salina: But like, thanks.

Nikki: I think there's a way to say, oh, man, she was beautiful in college.

Nikki: I bet she's the most beautiful woman now.

Nikki: I was going to say 40 year old adult woman.

Nikki: Yeah, it felt weird.

Nikki: Maybe I'm also really bad with giving color.

Salina: I have no doubt that she is.

Nikki: Still the most beautiful there you go.

Salina: To ever walk in a room.

Nikki: Sure.

Nikki: I generally just try not to comment on people personal appearance.

Salina: Yeah, it's just too much.

Salina: It's too difficult.

Nikki: There's too many traps.

Salina: Lots of traps.

Nikki: This is very important, college students writing letters.

Nikki: Remember we had the conversation about Payne writing his mom a letter?

Nikki: There's a whole thing at the end where Julia asked the girls to write.

Salina: Her a letter, which means that you were right.

Salina: She must have asked Payne to write a letter.

Salina: And that's the only reason.

Nikki: Why else do you think I'm circling back around to this?

Nikki: So that I can hear you say you were right, idiot.

Salina: I actually had that as a like because I liked her response so much.

Nikki: And that I was right.

Salina: Well, first of all, I love it every time.

Salina: You're right.

Salina: That is always my best day ever.

Salina: But I liked that she was just like, I don't write letters, but you can call me if you want.

Nikki: I bet Payne said that, too.

Salina: And today it would just be like you can text today.

Salina: It would be like, no, don't call me, but you can text me.

Nikki: Sure.

Salina: I just think there's more expedient forms of communication.

Salina: All right, so let's do Salina's sidebar.

Nikki: Shall we do it?

Nikki: It's a sidebar.

Nikki: Salina sidebar.

Nikki: She's got a keyboard.

Nikki: Looking for a reward by digging deep in the obscure, taking us on a detour.

Salina: What?

Nikki: You got Salina in Salina sidebar?

Salina: Okay, so it's like this.

Salina: When are we ever going to get another opportunity to talk about nudists?

Nikki: I would prefer every day, but it sounds like not you would prefer every day.

Salina: Okay, so I thought for today, shall we shed our inhibitions?

Nikki: No, Salina, I'm not getting naked in front of you.

Salina: Keep our clothes on.

Salina: Perfect.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: Be the never nudes that we are and talk about.

Nikki: I have my jean shorts on.

Salina: Just her jeans.

Salina: Is that weird for you all?

Salina: Nikki just fell out of her chair.

Salina: All right, so actually speaking, I just called you out as a never nude.

Salina: But before we get into it, what are your thoughts on the nudist lifestyle?

Salina: Be careful.

Salina: We may have nudists in our listenership.

Nikki: I say you do.

Nikki: You just with general things in life.

Nikki: We talk about this all the time.

Nikki: You do?

Nikki: You I will probably not be joining you.

Salina: And that's what my second question is.

Salina: Is this appealing to you at all?

Salina: No, not at all.

Nikki: So we've been to the Caribbean where there are topless beaches.

Nikki: Stresses me out so much.

Nikki: There's just so much that could go wrong.

Nikki: Yeah, just in general.

Nikki: So no, that's not for me.

Salina: Right.

Salina: You could lose a nipple.

Nikki: I have friends who self admittedly sleep naked and I can't imagine anything worse than that.

Salina: I do think you should do it at least once in your life if.

Nikki: You haven't done it.

Nikki: Okay, this happened a time or two, but like, by routine, like just getting in bed naked.

Nikki: What if there's a fire?

Nikki: What if your child needs I think that's your dog.

Salina: I think that's why you keep your clothes nearby.

Salina: But I also feel like if you're free enough that you sleep naked, that's probably not number one on your list.

Salina: You're probably not worried about it.

Salina: Maybe I'm wrong.

Nikki: My God, I can't imagine.

Salina: Can you imagine those two types of personalities existing in one person where they're like, no clothes, but also I like to keep a neat pile by the.

Nikki: Bed in case exactly.

Salina: Firefighter comes.

Nikki: I can't even fathom.

Nikki: So nudist colonies, not for me, but if they're for you, man, how about it?

Salina: Well, so it is not appealing specifically for me.

Salina: If we are talking about generally, then I'm going to say yes.

Salina: Now let me tell you why.

Salina: One article mentioned that it's similar to the freedom that you feel if you've ever skinny dipped.

Salina: So I definitely get that because it is freeing.

Salina: Oh, my God.

Salina: Are you about to tell me that you've never skinny dipped all the water.

Nikki: In all the places?

Salina: So that's a no.

Nikki: I didn't say no.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: How would you think I would know all the water in all the places?

Salina: It didn't feel freeing to you, then?

Salina: Okay, that is so stressful, too.

Salina: You're going to identify with this.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: This one, you will.

Salina: I hate being hot and sweaty.

Nikki: Yes.

Salina: So anything that makes me feel less hot is going to sound somewhat appealing.

Nikki: Yes.

Salina: So that's appealing.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: You sweat less when you don't have clothes on.

Nikki: That's right.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Except for the nerves.

Nikki: I feel like if I am I'm sweating now.

Nikki: I'm sweating now as well.

Salina: And to think you just sit there with your top off and still sweating.

Nikki: Not topless.

Salina: Okay, so all of that aside, I have a technical note before we jump in.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Do you want to talk about something?

Nikki: Because no, I'm so stressed out about what?

Nikki: The direction this is going now that you've asked me all my personal nudist questions and preferences.

Salina: But just on air, right.

Nikki: God.

Nikki: In the country, at least.

Salina: Just recorded.

Nikki: Filmed.

Salina: Just recorded.

Nikki: Sitting here naked.

Nikki: You got this camera on.

Salina: You just don't know how to have guests over.

Salina: Okay, so we non nudist.

Salina: We call them colonies, but nudists call them communities.

Nikki: Sure.

Salina: So I think that's an important distinction, and that's something I'll try and do from here on out.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: I like that.

Salina: All right.

Salina: Any guesses where the largest nudist community is in the world?

Nikki: In the world?

Nikki: California.

Salina: No.

Salina: You want to take a second guess?

Nikki: Las Vegas.

Salina: No, in the world.

Nikki: I know, I figured you said world for a reason.

Salina: Oh.

Nikki: To throw you Asia, Australia, Europe, Antarctica, South America, the nature village of oh, the Naturist village.

Salina: Cap de Agda in France has one.

Nikki: Oh, I should have guessed France.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: I was very surprised.

Salina: I thought you were going to get that one straight away.

Salina: I asked Casey just as like, a pass.

Salina: I was like, what do you think it is?

Salina: He was like, France?

Nikki: Whatever, man.

Nikki: Why don't you do this podcast with Casey?

Nikki: Then?

Salina: He's not as good.

Salina: Did that redeem me some?

Salina: Okay.

Salina: And I think it's CaPTA agda.

Salina: It's like the d apostrophe A-G-D-E-A-G.

Salina: Sure.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Come on now.

Salina: You're supposed to be our friend extra.

Nikki: I was struggling now because I was just so wrong at everything.

Salina: Okay, so the nature's village, they have 180 businesses, a marina, and a two kilometer stretch of beach nude.

Salina: The population grows to about 40,000 in the summer months, and Nudity is seen as a symbol of equality.

Salina: So it is strictly no clothing, but it's also family friendly.

Salina: And for the record, it is one of the few places I could find where there is a Nudist grocery store.

Salina: I will tell you Casey's response to this, to which he was like, please put on some pants.

Nikki: I don't want eggplants around my eggplants.

Nikki: It's not necessary.

Salina: Well, there you have it.

Nikki: I don't want melons around my melon.

Salina: Session over.

Salina: My nonmelons would be so confused.

Nikki: I cannot imagine being a seven year old growing up with naked adults around me all the time.

Nikki: Yeah, no, for sure you wouldn't know.

Nikki: But what about when you grow up and go into the big world and everybody's suddenly wearing clothes?

Nikki: Did you ever see the movie I know you do.

Nikki: Did you ever see the movie Jungle to Jungle?

Salina: Oh, gosh, a long, long time.

Nikki: It's a fantastic movie.

Nikki: It's worth watching a million times.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: To find Tim Allen vehicle that I would watch over and over again.

Nikki: But I think about him in this scenario where he ends up in the big bold world and.

Salina: Tim Allen as a vehicle.

Nikki: Tim Allen is National Treasure.

Salina: He is a national treasure.

Salina: No doubt.

Nikki: Anyhow, just thinking about children.

Nikki: I was thinking about the babies.

Salina: Sure.

Salina: From your puritan background, as am I accurate?

Nikki: Is there a college in this community?

Salina: Oh, I don't know.

Salina: I don't even know that.

Salina: They're not all a lot of older people, but we'll get there so that's it on them.

Salina: But thrillist answers some common ponderings about these communities.

Salina: So perhaps as well, I never read about a college, so I'm going to go with no.

Salina: Much like they point out in the episode, a nudist community is like any other community.

Salina: Sands clothing.

Salina: It can be as simple as a bunch of mobile homes banded together where they've decided, this is our lifestyle.

Salina: Or it can be communities that are walled in and gated and quite expensive.

Nikki: Do you know in all your research and maybe you'll get to this, do they have to have a special permit?

Salina: I don't know about that because I'm.

Nikki: Just imagining you come up to a mobile five.

Salina: Yeah, I don't know.

Salina: That's a great question.

Nikki: Okay, carry on.

Salina: Higher end options include now, I think the one I read about, I don't remember the name, but I think it is in California.

Salina: But higher end options include the Nudist resorts with your typical resort amenities, your restaurants, your pools, your activities.

Salina: The resorts are a way for people to try the lifestyle on, if you will.

Salina: There's a lot of really good nude puns.

Nikki: I know, I was just sitting here trying to think of a really good one.

Nikki: Ping pong something I don't know.

Nikki: I couldn't think of it.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: That's I think where they lose me for sure.

Nikki: I don't have the sense of humor.

Nikki: My sense of humor.

Nikki: It's not mature enough to exist in a nudist community because all I would ever do is talk about the balls.

Salina: I see what you're saying.

Salina: So there is a misconception that all nudists are swingers.

Salina: This is obviously not true.

Nikki: Not true.

Salina: Though.

Salina: Much like clothed communities, some people are right.

Salina: So there is also this assumption that communities, members of these communities skew older.

Salina: That one is true because while there is a wide variety of ages that you can find in these communities, members are frequently of retirement age for obvious reasons.

Nikki: They're done.

Salina: They're just done.

Salina: I do think that might have something to do with it.

Salina: But it's more like the idea if you do want to live a nudist lifestyle, it's really hard to go into Microsoft, right.

Salina: Because they're not probably as okay with it.

Nikki: I want to go back to the one before this.

Nikki: It's almost like a presumption that being a nudist is tied to sexual preferences.

Salina: Yes.

Nikki: And again, taking the human body is the only thing it's good for is sex.

Salina: Right.

Nikki: And it feels like those two issues have to be disentangled because they're not necessarily one and the same.

Salina: And that does feel like more of like a puritanical.

Salina: I grew up in that kind of system kind of train of thought.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: Because you put in nudity with sex.

Nikki: And you put exactly.

Salina: Sex with bad and all these things that aren't true.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: Or they're a skewed version of the truth.

Salina: The other one that I found that I thought was interesting is most nudists resorts are leery of singles.

Salina: Some won't allow them at all or will charge money for entry, especially for single men.

Salina: This gives me flashes of Eurotrip at the new beach.

Nikki: So glad you brought that up because that is the only visual that keeps going through my head as we're talking about beautiful.

Salina: It's so bad, so bouncy.

Nikki: And Chasey.

Salina: Yeah, because there's like 100 men and one girl.

Salina: Yeah, I read that.

Salina: It's a lot about keeping and this is pretty heterocentric, but about keeping the genders equal in terms of the amount, but also for that very reason, like what you see in Eurotrip.

Salina: I don't think you want it to be that outsized well, and that's an.

Nikki: Interesting flip of the conversation we were just having about nudity and sexuality being tied one to one because by that argument it's almost as if the communities themselves are tying them together that way.

Salina: I just think that's like probably an uncomfortable experience no matter who you are, for it to be that majority to minority.

Salina: But yes, I think you're right that it does take that argument and shake it up a little bit.

Salina: Like any good Southerner, we must discuss the proper etiquette on newest communities and results because if we ever decide to.

Nikki: Go, I will just I want to know.

Nikki: Oh my gosh.

Salina: And I really would be embarrassed.

Nikki: Oh, I would be mortified yes.

Salina: If I didn't do what the rules were.

Nikki: I had a washcloth over my front.

Nikki: Don't cover yourself up, Nikki.

Salina: That's right.

Salina: Say that according to a mental floss article.

Salina: So there are some places that will host clothing optional events.

Salina: Others are truly clothes free.

Salina: And so you need to follow suit, as it were.

Salina: Yes.

Nikki: Could you imagine being the single clothed person in a group of naked people?

Nikki: Somehow that feels just as like they experienced in this episode.

Nikki: It feels somewhat awkward, too.

Salina: I like to imagine that you're at least showing up with some other clothes people.

Nikki: I would hope so.

Salina: Closed people.

Salina: But for the clothing option gatherings, there is a type of dress code.

Salina: And this kind of goes to what you were talking about before.

Nikki: No bras, no underwear.

Salina: No it's no provocative lingerie.

Salina: Dresses or tight jeans were the ones that were specifically named.

Salina: These are not welcome sites.

Salina: And this is because it's more about being naked at these places.

Salina: It's less about trying to be sexy.

Nikki: Sure.

Salina: And I think that's the distinction, right?

Salina: That your skin is like people truly feel uncomfortable in it.

Salina: It's not about trying to have sex appeal.

Salina: It's just about being you a state of being.

Nikki: Yes.

Nikki: Your skin is your clothes.

Salina: Now this is interesting.

Salina: You can accessorize hats.

Salina: Jewelry and shoes are acceptable here's where they actually lose me.

Salina: I know.

Salina: Suddenly I'm picturing someone naked except for crocs and a pinky ring.

Salina: And I'm going to tell you right now that's a deal breaker for me.

Nikki: You just described my ideal nudist colony outfit.

Salina: Just everyone in crocs and not another title.

Salina: A couple of other rules.

Salina: Some places don't allow cameras.

Salina: Fair.

Nikki: Thank God.

Salina: Another rule I'm totally into, bring a towel wherever you go.

Nikki: Oh, yeah.

Salina: For sitting.

Nikki: That's the thing I think about.

Nikki: I really can't handle naked people sitting on a couch.

Salina: And you won't have to because they'll be on a towel.

Nikki: Thank God.

Salina: And then most clubs don't allow PDA outside of handholding or a quick hug.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: And my takeaway is that news communities have some high points.

Salina: It helps with the quality.

Salina: No pit stains, good etiquette, and you're saving a heck a lot of money in clothes.

Nikki: Yeah, that's true.

Salina: Of course, I'd lose all that money in sunscreen, but it's something to think about.

Salina: And that's this week's.

Salina: Salina, sidebar.

Salina: What'd you like about this episode, Nikki?

Nikki: I think the first one we've talked I have two.

Nikki: I think the first thing we've talked about a lot, which was this chance for Julia and Suzanne to look in the mirror via their nieces.

Nikki: I thought it was a fun twist.

Nikki: I didn't take away the Sniping and the Ugliness.

Nikki: It didn't register with me that that's all they were doing.

Nikki: I see that perspective now.

Nikki: As I was watching the episode, it all made me laugh.

Nikki: So I really liked that.

Nikki: I loved Dixie Carter's real daughters being in the episode.

Nikki: They were perfect for their roles.

Nikki: My second one was that we had a series of really funny one liners or interactions between the women.

Nikki: So, of course, Suzanne's, if it don't look good, don't stick it on your front porch.

Nikki: And then that spot where they came back from the nudist community, and Mary Joe said, did you see that one, man?

Nikki: And Charlene was like, yes, I did.

Nikki: And their body language was really funny.

Nikki: And then outside of the nudist community, there was a part where the counterpart to Suzanne, whose name I'm forgetting, says that she Jennifer.

Nikki: Jennifer says she had a pinch nerve in her back.

Nikki: And Suzanne says, I usually have a pinch nerve myself.

Nikki: I just forgot to mention it before you did.

Salina: That was so great.

Nikki: So funny.

Nikki: So those were the things I liked.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: I think we like shades of the same things.

Salina: It's Suzanne getting a taste of her own medicine.

Salina: And Julia the pinch nerve one is a great example, but also she's getting ran all over the place.

Salina: Suzanne does that all the time.

Salina: She also does it a lot to Anthony.

Salina: Yeah, which frustrates me.

Nikki: Hashtag justice for Anthony.

Salina: Justice for Anthony.

Salina: And so it's nice to see her have to experience that.

Salina: Julia getting a run for her money with her opinions, convictions, and on the spot lectures was very nice.

Salina: I also like the exchange between Tom and Anthony, and Tom says, I'm sure we're just like the people who live in your own neighborhood.

Salina: Isn't that right, Anthony?

Salina: Anthony says, well, I wouldn't know.

Salina: There are not that many naked white people running around my neighborhood.

Salina: And I just thought that was, like, so tongue in cheek and just love you anyways, Suzanne's take on nudist colonies communities.

Salina: Communities, man, it's hard.

Salina: You got to learn the lessons.

Salina: Learn the learn.

Salina: Well, that's ridiculous.

Salina: I mean, what's the point of getting married if you can see somebody naked without paying for it?

Nikki: Amen.

Salina: She's so practical, that one.

Salina: And I love the juvenile kind of jokes around between the girls as well.

Salina: There was one where she said, wow, did you see that guy?

Salina: He sure was tall.

Salina: I've always enjoyed that kind of humor.

Salina: It's like dirty adjacent, right.

Salina: Without having to go fully into it, which I'm okay with, too, but it's.

Nikki: Like, childish dirty, like what a 13 year old thinks of as the worst of the worst.

Salina: But there's something that's very smart about not just going straight for the p**** joke, like, I will, and just, like, backing it up a little bit and making you think, and I think that's really good.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: What about things you didn't like?

Nikki: I don't have anything really serious here.

Nikki: I think you touched on at the top of the episode this idea of pairing these two plotlines together.

Nikki: We talked about how you did that really articulately, so I wasn't going to redo it.

Nikki: I think I agree with that.

Nikki: And I think I didn't know that I agreed with that until you articulated it that way, so I'd put that in the didn't like category.

Nikki: But the one thing I had was that Clayton Light reference, like, they have a brother.

Nikki: They don't have a brother.

Nikki: He's in their lives.

Nikki: He's not in their lives.

Nikki: I'm just kind of over that.

Nikki: So I'm always going to hate that one.

Salina: Yeah, that's understandable.

Salina: Well, I talked about mine earlier when we talked about that weird thing that Tom says about her holding up in all the right places.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: And then I'm with you just mentioned amb plots again and again.

Salina: I feel bad with something like that saying it as strong as, like I don't like necessarily.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: It's just this is something that I feel like could have been strengthened if they had just done it a slightly different way.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: How about we rate this sucker?

Nikki: Sure.

Nikki: I've got sticky wicker chairs, and this one's hard for me because coming into recording today, it was a five out of a five.

Nikki: And I will tell you, it's because I couldn't think of anything to ding it on.

Nikki: And it feels bad to give it anything less than a five if you don't have a criticism.

Salina: Yeah, fair enough.

Nikki: So I'm still going to give it a five out of five because I don't want to claim your idea as my own, but you did make me think rethink things.

Nikki: I liked both plotlines.

Nikki: I thought they were very clever together.

Nikki: They didn't need to coexist.

Nikki: But I would say, generally speaking, that notwithstanding this concept, this script writing, this interaction between characters, I think, is Designing Women at its finest.

Nikki: It's very similar to Mr.

Nikki: Bailey for me.

Nikki: I love the crazy, far fetched plotlines when they come together in a really cohesive, nice way.

Nikki: And I did feel like in this episode and you've mentioned this a few times, this idea of there being no resolution, no A to B, you just sort of circle around and don't come to any sort of nothing.

Nikki: This I felt like there was a little something, which was the sisters kind of getting a chance to see themselves and then realize they're still better together even though they annoy each other, but then they become a little more self aware of their own things.

Salina: Right.

Nikki: What did you call them?

Nikki: Most noticeable traits?

Salina: Yeah, I think so.

Nikki: Something like that.

Salina: Anyway, identifiable traits.

Nikki: Identifiable traits.

Nikki: There you go.

Nikki: Five out of five.

Salina: Okay, so I gave it 3.8 out of five.

Nikki: Dang, you're scoring low lately.

Salina: Just mean.

Salina: The meanest, meanie.

Salina: A 3.8 out of five.

Salina: Rug burned bums.

Salina: Which sounds terrible.

Salina: Sounds awful.

Nikki: That sounds really rough.

Salina: I'm like, I wish that was that exciting, but it would have been something stupid, like I fell down carpeted stairs.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Feel like I want to clear that one up.

Salina: I had some issues with it, but overall, I thought it was fun.

Salina: It was quick, but going by at such a good pace, I think those usually are better ones for me.

Salina: I don't know whose idea it was, but I love that they found a way to include Dixie's daughters.

Salina: I just think that was a good idea.

Salina: And I do think it's good comedy to put our leads in uncomfortable situations, for sure.

Salina: So the more I think about it, the more I think where I actually could have spent more time was there watching Mary, Joe, Charlene, and Anthony not have any idea how to act in that situation.

Salina: Yeah, that would have been worth more time.

Salina: This feels terrible wording for this episode, but who won the episode or who buttered our biscuits?

Nikki: I'm giving it to Julia in this episode, which is interesting because I'm realizing in this moment, I think I gave it to Julia last episode, too.

Nikki: So maybe the Julia ship is turning for me.

Nikki: Wonderful.

Nikki: But it's simply because of the last five minutes.

Nikki: They were talking to her about the people at the nudist community, and she actually laughed and then shared her thoughts on what she saw at the community.

Nikki: And I died because it would have been more in character for Julia to act above it all.

Nikki: And, like, she is so worldly that this didn't throw her for a loop.

Nikki: And the fact that she was like, yeah, no, I'm just as bad as you guys are.

Nikki: It killed me, and I loved it.

Nikki: She was actually, dare I say, enjoyable.

Salina: Oh, very nice.

Salina: Very nice.

Salina: So I'm going to go with Jennifer.

Salina: This is Minnie Suzanne.

Salina: She really conned her way into a nice, relaxing trip where she did nothing but lounge and print herself.

Nikki: She's adorable.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: She even put Suzanne to work, and I think that's pretty impressive.

Nikki: It's true.

Nikki: It's true.

Nikki: It takes a real woman.

Salina: You just love a little prince, don't you?

Salina: You're like a little Suzanne.

Salina: Sign me up.

Salina: Two of those would hate this person in real life.

Nikki: Oh, probably.

Nikki: For sure.

Nikki: Probably.

Salina: Who lost the episode and who served us lumpy gravy.

Nikki: I feel like Tom Catcherside and his friends lost the episode because they were the butts with so many jokes and they didn't even know it.

Salina: Oh, you lovable idiot.

Salina: So many good puns.

Nikki: I don't write this stuff.

Salina: It just totally writes itself.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: I like that take.

Salina: Mine was Suzanne.

Salina: She had to wait hand in foot on Jennifer, whose even more lavish routine made Suzanne late for dinner.

Salina: She had to take a cold bath.

Nikki: Gosh darn it.

Salina: Bath taker.

Nikki: Code bath taker.

Salina: And she's got a bunch of long distance calls charged to her, I imagine.

Nikki: That's terrible.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: You know, by Jennifer, the really adorable one.

Salina: And she had her guest towels ruined because she wrote on it with some lip liner or something.

Nikki: Weird.

Salina: Yeah, that's real weird.

Nikki: Not good decision making.

Salina: Not really.

Salina: But she was so tired from that hot bath.

Nikki: She was.

Nikki: It takes it out of you.

Salina: What was she even doing anymore?

Nikki: 80S things.

Nikki: Just have one dan quail.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: Vice President from 1989 to 1993 under George H.

Nikki: W.

Nikki: Bush.

Salina: Potato potato, if you will.

Salina: I don't know.

Salina: He misspelled potato.

Nikki: Oh, okay.

Salina: The potato potato didn't make any sense.

Nikki: That also didn't make it into my notes.

Salina: I just took a long, hot bath, and I don't know what I'm saying anymore.

Nikki: That was my only 80 thing.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: So I'm like, go ahead and just lean back.

Salina: All right.

Salina: I don't think many people would ask for their game rooms to be recarpeted today, so I just feel like maybe in their situation, since they probably don't have shoes on and no clothes, maybe they like the carpet for their feet.

Salina: But that design choice felt kind of.

Nikki: Feel like that also harbors germs and bacteria like athletes foot, which is my biggest concern with a nudist colony.

Nikki: Maybe they do, unless they're wearing crocs.

Salina: Maybe they do all need to be in crocs.

Salina: Jennifer gets spot checked, quote unquote, at the airport.

Nikki: I didn't think about that then in the 80s, you don't think that would happen today?

Salina: Well, in the 80s, that meant they searched your luggage, but we all have to get screened today.

Salina: And so I think a spot check now means that they search an a*** cavity.

Salina: So that's just a little different for you.

Nikki: And if you're a nudist, that's much easier.

Salina: That is much easier until they wrestle you to the ground because you're naked at the Apollo.

Salina: At some point in the episode, julia recounts Camilla's strong opinions about the preppy lifestyle.

Salina: I put it here because the preppy clothing style or even lifestyle probably belongs to this decade more than any other time.

Salina: It's really the apex for a really specific kind of excess and materialism.

Salina: And I was doing a little research, and the style did get really popular at this time because there was a book called The Preppy Handbook that got published in 1980, and it was actually trying to mock people who are preppy, and it wound up inspiring a lot of people to embrace it.

Salina: So there's something that you never needed to know.

Salina: You're welcome.

Salina: Paying for long distance phone calls, at least within the US.

Salina: That's not really a thing anymore.

Salina: Not that I know of, anyway.

Salina: Remember MCI?

Salina: They do what a time to be alive.

Salina: Writing a phone number down was what she did in the list.

Nikki: That's right.

Nikki: Or whatever.

Salina: That feels really 80s, obviously.

Salina: I know that still happens.

Salina: I'm just saying most people just do it right in their phone now.

Nikki: Yeah, I had that happen the other day.

Nikki: Someone said, just text me so I have your number.

Nikki: Yes, there you go.

Salina: And then again, the writing of the letters dated even for the 80s.

Nikki: Man, oh, man.

Salina: Just saying.

Salina: Southern things.

Nikki: Divinity, which is a Southern candy made with sugar, corn syrup, water, egg whites, and vanilla pecans.

Nikki: Pecans.

Nikki: I say pecans.

Nikki: Pecans.

Nikki: Pecans are usually also involved, either added in chopped or plopped on top.

Nikki: And I'm going to stop right there to say, listen to extra sugar because we're going to do it on Southern candy.

Nikki: Yeah, but that's a candy that Mary Joe mentioned at the beginning.

Nikki: I also had Chapel Hill.

Nikki: Did we know that Julia went to UNC?

Salina: I don't think so.

Nikki: I'm assuming she went to UNC because they mentioned Chapel Hill.

Nikki: That's where she and Tom Ketcher side met.

Nikki: But I don't think we've ever talked about where she went to college.

Nikki: I would not have guessed Julia went to North Carolina.

Salina: There's been about how maybe she was really involved in oh, we know about sorority stories because she was like she didn't get in because she said something nasty.

Nikki: I wonder if they mentioned UNC then I don't think sounded new to me.

Nikki: Yeah, we had another stuckey's pecan log reference, which I feel like at this point should be on our bingo card.

Salina: You think LBT was hungry during this one?

Nikki: Or she just really loves a pecan log.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: She also mentioned smoked sausage from Virginia, southern State in Mississippi, pi Fi legacy.

Nikki: All of those things are Southern.

Nikki: I don't think Southern I don't know.

Nikki: I don't think Southern state is a real college.

Nikki: I actually didn't look into that.

Nikki: But that's where Jen forsgoing when I.

Salina: Googled it, what I got was university of Southern Mississippi was the only thing that came up.

Nikki: Okay.

Nikki: Pascagoula, which is a city in Jackson County, Mississippi, and someone said slim pickens.

Salina: Oh, good catch.

Salina: I actually thought, even though I guess it was Suzanne and Julia's grandmother's quote, you mentioned it already, but if it doesn't look good, don't stick it out on the front porch.

Salina: Yeah, this sounds super southern.

Salina: Yeah, if it's not, I'm claiming it.

Salina: Yeah, and I put wicker furniture in here, too, because that feels super southern.

Nikki: Oh, does it?

Nikki: Wicker furniture feels super eighty s and seventy s to me.

Nikki: I wouldn't put it in a particular region, but I'll buy it as southern.

Salina: My back patio furniture is wicker.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: Get out.

Nikki: Outdoor furniture is always wicker.

Nikki: Largely wicker.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: You're thinking on the inside.

Nikki: Yeah, I was thinking about your couch being wicker.

Salina: Oh, it's so uncomfortable when I'm nude on it.

Nikki: I don't like it.

Nikki: It leaves marks.

Salina: It does.

Salina: Okay, references that we need to talk about.

Nikki: So this leper colonies, when you say a colony, I always think leper colonies, and I cannot remember.

Nikki: It was probably Suzanne at the beginning of the episode.

Nikki: She was like, colony, like a leper colony.

Nikki: Something like that.

Nikki: They brought up leper colonies.

Nikki: I just thought I would mention that.

Nikki: Those are isolated communities for quarantining and treating lepers or people with Hanson's disease.

Nikki: Yeah, the bacteria responsible for leprosy.

Nikki: It was also the first bacterium to be identified as causing disease in humans.

Salina: Yeah, I could see that.

Salina: It's very biblical.

Nikki: I think that's all I'll say about leprosy.

Nikki: That's more things.

Nikki: And I'm realizing now, as I'm looking at it, just not worth it.

Salina: Isn't it fun?

Nikki: Sounds bad.

Salina: Yeah, I mean, it still happens.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: But you probably have that in your.

Nikki: Notes, whether it still happens.

Salina: I think it does.

Salina: I think it's just like smallpox, like black plague.

Salina: You can get the plague, black plague today.

Salina: It's just that they just antibiotics.

Nikki: Yeah, I wish I had written that down.

Nikki: There are no more leper colonies.

Nikki: The last one closed in like the 90s, maybe recently.

Nikki: Yeah, in recent years.

Salina: You can share all this, Nikki.

Salina: It's interesting.

Salina: What do you think is interesting?

Nikki: The two things we've talked about that were interesting are not in my notes.

Nikki: So I think my notes aren't interesting.

Salina: But that's leprosy and that's leprosy for you.

Salina: I just wanted to give a plug that with the Pi Fi legacy mentioned, I just want to say that people should go back to season one, episode 19.

Salina: Come on, baby, let's do the Chubby Checker where you about sororities checker.

Nikki: Oh, my God, I had forgotten about that.

Salina: And then there was also the Iran Contra got mentioned.

Salina: I think I'm feeling this about this the way that you're feeling about leprosy.

Salina: It's a thing that happened.

Salina: You could also put it in the 80s, honestly, but it's a political scandal that happened during President Reagan's second term.

Salina: We've talked about it to some extent before, but we were really talking about Oliver North, who was involved in the scandal.

Salina: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Salina: There you go.

Salina: Cut lines.

Nikki: I found two.

Nikki: I'm only going to mention one because I think it's a little bit of background character development for Charlene, but not really that much, honestly.

Nikki: So when Mary Joe and Charlene were talking about having only seen naked people in National Geographic, this part was cut after Charlene said, and those people looked better than these people.

Nikki: Somebody said, maybe gravity is harder on you in Africa.

Nikki: I wonder why people find nudity so fascinating and why it makes people so uptight.

Nikki: And then this must be Charlene, I guess because it's forbidden.

Nikki: I remember when I was a kid, my girlfriend and I had never seen a naked man before.

Nikki: And she came over one night to spend the night.

Nikki: And my brother Robert, he never wore pajamas and he was a real sound sleeper.

Nikki: Anyway, he'd fallen asleep on top of his covers.

Nikki: So my girlfriend and I each got a flashlight and we set them up on a big stack of books about 3ft from Odell.

Nikki: And we just kind of spotlighted him.

Nikki: He woke up screaming.

Nikki: He thought he was being run down by a car.

Nikki: Charlene.

Nikki: That is one of the most bizarre stories I've ever heard before.

Salina: You said charlene.

Salina: In response to that, I was going to ask, whatever made you think that was Charlene?

Salina: Could have been anybody with brother.

Salina: O'Dale.

Nikki: So weird.

Nikki: So next episode, episode twelve.

Nikki: Yeah, the junies.

Salina: Yes.

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Nikki: This week, for Extra Sugar, we are talking about Southern candy.

Nikki: It's going to be a brand new episode of Nicky's Nibbles, and I'm actually going to do something different this week.

Nikki: Salina, it's really long, this segment, so I think I'm just going to own it.

Nikki: So I think what we're going to do is we are going to do an abbreviated version for the main show, and then we'll do a little bit of an extended version for our patreons.

Nikki: So something to look forward to.

Salina: That sounds perfect.

Salina: And it's about candy, so it sounds extra perfect.

Nikki: There you go.

Salina: Extra sweet, extra sugar.

Salina: And you know what that means?

Nikki: What does that mean?

Salina: It means we'll see you around the bin.

Salina: Bye.

Nikki: Welcome to this week's edition of Extra Sugar.

Nikki: So I'm a sucker for all things sweet?

Nikki: I think you're a sucker for all things sweet.

Nikki: So we've got some extra sweet, extra sugar this week.

Nikki: Strap in for Nicky's Nibbles.

Salina: Come on, y'all.

Nikki: Let's talk fiddles.

Nikki: Nicky's Nibbles.

Nikki: Come on, y'all, let's eat.

Nikki: I'm calling this Nicky's Nibble segment candy, the sweet nectar of the south.

Salina: Sounds delicious.

Nikki: So if you remember way back at the beginning of this episode, mary Joe is suffering from the winter doldrums.

Nikki: We talked about that, how sad that time of year is.

Nikki: So she says, I'll tell you that fudge and divinity in my freezer is the only thing getting me through this winter.

Nikki: I perked up at the word fudge because I love fudge.

Nikki: But then divinity stopped me in my tracks, because divinity is one of those candies that I'm Southern enough to have seen, like, for sale out in the world, but I'm not Southern enough to have ever made it.

Nikki: And I don't know very much about it.

Salina: Oh, well, it's my grandma's favorite candy.

Salina: I just think for me, I sort of had always kind of, like, put it into the category of, like, grandma's favorite candy.

Salina: I know it's really sweet.

Salina: It's all sugar.

Nikki: It's like a praline.

Nikki: I love pralines, but these days I can only have a bite or two, and it's almost just too much for me.

Nikki: Too sweet.

Nikki: Fudge is kind of getting that way.

Salina: All sugar.

Nikki: Yeah, fudge is like that thing that.

Salina: I think it's beautiful to look at, and I always think I want it, and then I get it.

Salina: I get one bite in, and I'm.

Nikki: Like, my teeth hurt.

Nikki: Yes.

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: So when she said divinity, I knew there was at least a story there, if not a whole extra sugar.

Nikki: So, as usual, Google all roads led me to the southern mothership.

Nikki: Southern living.

Salina: Yes.

Nikki: Where I found an article listing 15 southern candies.

Nikki: I've heard of most of them, but there were a few I haven't heard of, so I thought we could talk about them.

Nikki: Okay, but I do isn't there is a halt your horses.

Nikki: 15 makes for kind of a long list.

Nikki: So, as I just mentioned, for the purposes of this extra sugar, I'm going to focus on the ones I wasn't familiar with because I feel like if Masa then sweet tooth hasn't been tickled by them, it's obscure or at least something I should know about.

Nikki: So this segment is a little bit selfish, but as a special bonus for our patreons, I'm going to post an extended extra sugar, where I'm just going to go through all 15.

Salina: Love it.

Nikki: So you buckle up, Salina, because you're hearing all this.

Salina: Love it.

Nikki: We'll consider that just something a little sweet for our sweet teeth.

Salina: Something to satisfy your sweet tooth.

Salina: Sweet, sweet, sweet.

Nikki: So the first candy on my list I actually made before our session today because I had never heard of this.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: So, Salina, I thought it would be fun for you to give it a taste and see if you can guess what the secret ingredient is.

Salina: Oh, sugar.

Nikki: So they're right there in that bowl if you want to go ahead and grab one while I get started.

Salina: Oh, fine.

Nikki: We're going to come myself.

Nikki: We'll come back to it.

Nikki: It's better that way.

Nikki: We'll come back to it at the end of the segment and see what you think she looks befuddled or I see peanut butter.

Nikki: Okay, so we'll go through the others in the meantime.

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: How about it?

Nikki: How about it?

Nikki: She's just digging right in.

Nikki: Mojescas, have you ever heard of that's?

Salina: What this is?

Nikki: No.

Nikki: We're coming back.

Salina: Oh, sorry.

Salina: You gave me candy.

Nikki: Yeah, I'm sorry.

Nikki: That's going to be the last one we cover.

Nikki: I'll give you plenty of notice that I'm going to have you weigh in on what you think the special ingredient is.

Salina: I think I know this.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: Not the name, but I think I've had it before.

Nikki: Don't tell me now.

Nikki: Okay.

Nikki: Mojescas, have you heard of these?

Nikki: No, I've never heard of this thing.

Nikki: It's basically marshmallow dipped in caramel.

Nikki: It sounds delightful.

Nikki: People love them, but I've never heard of them.

Nikki: I think it sounds like a cowtail or a caramel cream.

Nikki: Do you know what those are?

Nikki: Caramel with, like, the creamy center.

Salina: But I've seen them.

Nikki: Have you never had one?

Nikki: The caramel creams I love.

Salina: Well, the cow's tail.

Salina: Cow's tail I love because cracker barrel.

Nikki: Yes.

Salina: They have all the different era candy, and so I can't be like, oh, I just love cowtails when I was little.

Salina: Okay, that sounds weird, but they're so cute.

Salina: I've definitely have noticed that before.

Nikki: So those are caramel on the outside and cream on the inside.

Nikki: This is a marshmallow, so it's a little bit different, but it sounds like it's in the same vein.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: This was created in the 1880s by a guy in Louisville, Kentucky.

Nikki: Apparently he made it to honor a Shakespearean actress.

Nikki: What an 1880s thing to have happened?

Nikki: Helena Mojeska, who was performing in town, apparently he'd seen her a few times, admired her, so he wrote her asking he wrote her a letter like Julia asking if he could name his new candy after her.

Salina: Is this like 1880s flirting?

Salina: I think it might be.

Nikki: One article I found actually said that it sounds like maybe he was flirting with her and she didn't, like, reciprocate at all.

Nikki: But she did tell him he could name the candy after her, and she sent him a signed portrait of himself.

Salina: Wait, of herself?

Nikki: Sorry.

Nikki: Yes, of herself.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: I was like, that's really weird.

Nikki: And it hung in his, like, chocolateiria or whatever.

Nikki: This chocolateri, it hung in there until it burned down.

Nikki: And he decided not to rebuild and passed his recipe onto another local Louisville candy maker.

Nikki: And they have the picture because the picture survived.

Nikki: So that is the Mojesca blue Monday.

Nikki: This is one I've never heard of, but apparently Blue Monday features a pulled candy cream center covered with a bittersweet dark chocolate that complements the sweet melt in your mouth candy.

Nikki: What's interesting about this one is that it was invented by Rebecca Ruth, who we're going to talk about in a little while, but she is famous for making bourbon balls, so more to come on that in a minute.

Nikki: Apparently she was struggling to come up with a name for this new confection, the Blue Monday.

Nikki: So a traveling preacher came by to her candy shop and told her he needed a little sweet treat to cure his Blue Monday, and so it was named.

Nikki: She gave him this new treat.

Nikki: He called that the Blue Monday.

Nikki: There you go.

Nikki: No word on whether it's related to the 80s hit Blue Monday by New Order or the follow up cover by 90s band.

Nikki: Orgy, but that's all I can think of.

Nikki: When someone says Blue Monday I don't know.

Salina: I know this song by name.

Salina: Maybe I found does it see?

Nikki: Yes.

Nikki: Same song.

Nikki: That's okay.

Nikki: Have you heard of any either of these so far?

Nikki: Blue Monday or Mojesca third one.

Salina: Can I stop and just say whatever that is?

Salina: Delicious.

Nikki: Is it good?

Nikki: Actually, while we're recording, kyle sent me a text because I left him some for the kids and told him they could have it after lunch.

Nikki: He just sent me a text and said, my daughter said yum when she bit into it.

Nikki: I haven't had one.

Nikki: Is it really sweet?

Nikki: Maybe in a little while.

Nikki: It just feels rude to do that while.

Salina: Oh, right.

Salina: I'm like, come on, get yourself one.

Salina: What are you doing?

Salina: I'm not having another one.

Nikki: Have you have as many as you want.

Nikki: Have you ever heard of cherry matt mash?

Salina: No.

Nikki: Cherry Mash is a candy bar with a soft cherry flavored center containing marashino cherries covered in a mixture of chopped roasted peanuts and chocolate.

Nikki: It was originally created in the late 18 hundreds in, of all places, LBT's motherland, Missouri.

Nikki: We can thank the Chase Family Candy Company out of St.

Nikki: Joseph, Missouri.

Nikki: I hate cherries.

Nikki: I just think they're disgusting.

Nikki: So this sounds really gross to me, but more power to anyone who would love them.

Salina: Yes.

Salina: I'm also not a big cherry.

Salina: I mean, I like actual cherries.

Salina: I don't cherry the fruit in only certain kinds.

Nikki: I don't think I've told this story on the podcast, but one year for Christmas, my grandfather reused a chocolate covered cherry box as something to hold two jewelry boxes.

Nikki: He was giving me two pairs of earrings, but he put it in a chocolate covered cherries box.

Nikki: And when I opened it, I had to pretend that I was really excited about getting chocolate covered cherries, even though I think they are the most disgusting food in the entire world.

Nikki: And I was like, oh, gee, thanks so much.

Nikki: And it took him a minute, and he was like, well, are you going to open it?

Nikki: And I was like, oh, I know what chocolate covered cherries look like.

Nikki: And he was like, no, open it.

Nikki: So I opened it and found the jewelry and was very happy.

Nikki: And that is the most ungrateful I've ever felt in my life.

Nikki: But I really hate Cherries.

Salina: It was like a really quick lesson.

Nikki: Very quick.

Nikki: And it has stuck with me my entire life.

Nikki: When I think about what I'm packaging a gift in.

Nikki: Roman candy.

Nikki: Have you heard of this?

Salina: That sounds familiar.

Nikki: It is street sold taffy that was created by an Italian man and his family in southern Italy.

Salina: Well, listen oh, sorry.

Nikki: When he founded the business in the early 19 hundreds, respect for Italians in America wasn't particularly high.

Nikki: So he didn't want to just call it Italian candy.

Nikki: He didn't think it would be very popular, so he landed on Roman candy instead.

Nikki: But this is a candy that's sold from a wheeled cart in New Orleans by the founder, sam Cortese's grandson, Ron.

Nikki: So as the story goes, Sam's family was Italian.

Nikki: He was, I think, born in Italy, but they immigrated to America pretty quickly after he was born.

Nikki: And this was a candy his mom made in Italy.

Nikki: She brought it to the US.

Nikki: Taught him her recipe.

Nikki: He went out onto the streets of New Orleans and started selling it as Roman candy.

Nikki: And today, Ron runs the family business, and Ron is training up his son Dan to take it over.

Nikki: So it's apparently a really big New Orleans tradition.

Nikki: It's been going on I don't remember if I said yes since the early 19 hundreds.

Nikki: The candy sells for a dollar per stick and is available in chocolate, vanilla, or strawberry.

Nikki: So I have no answer to whether you're to whether it was Southern Italy.

Nikki: Sorry about that.

Nikki: Sorry.

Nikki: The next one.

Nikki: Red bird peppermint puffs.

Nikki: I don't know this is either, but I think when you see the picture, you might have had these before.

Nikki: The Piedmont candy company has been making peppermint puff candies in their Lexington, North Carolina factory since the late 18 hundreds.

Nikki: They've modernized their technique over the years, but one cute fact is that they still hand mold and apply the red stripe to the candy.

Nikki: So it's a little puffed peppermint candy, and they hand applied the red stripe.

Nikki: So every piece of candy is unique.

Salina: Like at the front of restaurants.

Salina: Yeah, where they used to do that.

Salina: Anybody does anymore.

Nikki: Okay, so this is all bringing us to the one you just tried, Salina.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: Any guesses on the secret ingredient?

Salina: Well, I guess there's definitely peanut butter in it, but that can't be the secret ingredient you're talking about, right?

Nikki: No.

Salina: Quail.

Salina: I'm about to feel so good.

Salina: Happy Saturday to me.

Salina: I don't know.

Salina: It's got a crapload of sugar in it.

Salina: About to be high or diabetic.

Nikki: It's potato candy.

Nikki: There are potatoes in there set up.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: I don't think I was tasting no potatoes.

Salina: Walk me through that.

Nikki: So this is 100%, and then never have I even heard of this candy.

Salina: I thought you're about to be like, this is 100% potatoes.

Nikki: No, it's definitely not.

Nikki: It's like 99.7% powdered sugar.

Salina: I'm like the way that carrots are in carrot cake.

Nikki: Pretty much.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: Pretty much.

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: So it's made with mashed potatoes along with powdered sugar and peanut butter.

Nikki: It was super easy to make.

Nikki: Good.

Salina: I can't wait for you to try some.

Nikki: But, yeah, I had to make mashed potatoes first, and it was so funny.

Nikki: The recipe I found was, like, multiple times.

Nikki: It was like, please do not season your potatoes.

Nikki: Your Thanksgiving potatoes will not work for this recipe.

Nikki: Please do not put salt in these.

Nikki: Please do not put pepper in these.

Nikki: And I was laughing the first time I read it.

Nikki: And then when I went to make the potatoes, my instinct because I don't make tons of mashed potatoes, but I make them every now and then, and my instinct is salt the water.

Nikki: And then when you go to mash them, tons of butter and lots of pepper.

Nikki: And I had to muscle memory my way out of it, like, no butter.

Salina: But is there a savory version that we're missing out on but couldn't be with?

Salina: It had to be all different.

Salina: Ingredients.

Nikki: I think so, yeah.

Nikki: But because there are six cups of powdered sugar.

Salina: The not secret ingredient, it.

Nikki: Sounds like, and I haven't tried it yet, but I will after we finish recording.

Nikki: The mashed potatoes are pretty undetectable.

Salina: Yeah, I think they got pretty covered up.

Nikki: Their purpose is to hold the candy together, I figured, but yeah.

Nikki: So you make this dough of mashed potatoes and powdered sugar and something else I'm forgetting.

Nikki: Butter.

Nikki: Butter, butter.

Nikki: Lots of butter.

Nikki: Make that dough, and then you refrigerate it and then roll it out and spread it with peanut butter, and you pinwheel it.

Nikki: It's kind of like making a cinnamon roll.

Nikki: And I got some video that we'll put on social media this week with this extra sugar.

Nikki: But anyway, so this candy, it sounds like, came to the US.

Nikki: Via Germany around the turn of the 20th century, and it originally did not contain peanut butter that was added when it came to the US.

Nikki: Could you imagine eating that without peanut butter?

Salina: Yeah, I think it needs the peanut butter.

Nikki: It needs the peanut butter or it needs to be smaller if it's just going to be sugar and butter.

Salina: Right?

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: So, yeah, that's it.

Nikki: Those are the main ones that I puzzled over.

Nikki: Did you like it?

Salina: I do like it.

Salina: I mean, it's really sweet, but I sat there and ate two pieces of it, and they're not small.

Salina: They like the size of my palms.

Nikki: So were there any of the ones that I'm these were the ones.

Nikki: The first ones I covered are the ones I'd never heard of.

Nikki: Were there any that you would like to try or that you would give a go if you saw it, like, out in the world?

Nikki: That caramel one sounded pretty good to me.

Salina: Yeah, that sounds okay.

Salina: I'm not a huge this kind of candy person.

Salina: Like these classic candies.

Salina: That's why I was saying I don't want to poo poo too much on divinity, which is weird because I really like pralines, and I know my grandma's made me try divinity before.

Salina: What I can tell you is I did not enjoy it.

Salina: It's been so long that what I didn't want to do was to speed divinity.

Salina: Although and you did some kind of twist on it, because normally there would be no pinwheel situation, right.

Salina: So normally it's like all of it's just too sweet for me.

Salina: So I don't know any of them, particularly piqued my interest.

Salina: What I will say is, based on what you described, except for the peanut butter, I probably would have been like, I'm good, but I thought it was delicious.

Salina: So maybe what that means is put down your judgmentalness and just try every candy.

Nikki: Just try it all, man.

Nikki: Just give it a go.

Nikki: So for the purposes of our main episode, this will be this week's extra sugar.

Nikki: If you are a patreon, hang on, because we're going to keep going.

Nikki: We've got a few more candies to cover.

Nikki: So this has been this week's extra sweet, extra sugar.