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Designing Women S3 E18 - Menage a Trois Marriage

Updated: Jun 1, 2023

In a tale as old as time, Charlene, Bill–and the exotic dancer they’re both handcuffed to–will take that age-old walk down the aisle where three become one. Join us as we break down all the wedding festivities!


Stick around for this week’s “Extra Sugar” – we’re talking bachelorette parties y’all!


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Transcript

Salina: Hey, Nikki.

Nikki: Hey, Salina.

Salina: And hello, everyone, and welcome to Sweet TNTV.

Salina: Hey, y'all.

Salina: Welcome.

Nikki: Are you ready to rate this sucker?

Salina: Yeah, we're just going to jump, right?

Salina: We're not even playing around.

Salina: We're not going to tell you what episode.

Salina: We're just going to rate it and then just jump right into extra sugar.

Nikki: Oh, my gosh.

Nikki: What if we did?

Nikki: That would be amazing.

Nikki: If we just shared our rating scale and our rating and justification and then people had to guess what episode we were talking about.

Nikki: Yeah, that would be fun.

Salina: That would be fun.

Salina: I wanted to ask you a question to start off.

Nikki: Today never ends well.

Salina: Just a real thinker.

Nikki: Just a little scratcher.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: Would you rather we might go through a series of would you rather?

Salina: But I'm just going to start off with one.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Would you rather lose all of your money or all of your pictures?

Nikki: All of my pictures, I'm afraid.

Salina: Same.

Nikki: Yeah, I got them right up here.

Salina: But I really need that cash to pay the mortgage.

Nikki: Yeah, I got to go with pictures.

Nikki: I can lose those.

Nikki: Yeah, that said, I mean, I don't want to lose them.

Salina: Yeah, I don't want to tell you I thought that you might be in a little bit more of a churn over it than that because like your mom children.

Nikki: Can I tell you something maybe sad or horrible?

Nikki: I have gone through the mental exercise of what if our house burned down?

Salina: Oh, sure.

Nikki: And I think I've already made peace with the fact that pictures would be something that would be gone.

Nikki: Now we have a bunch of digital pictures, which is great, but still we could lose those.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: So I've had to make a lot of peace with material things and being okay with those things being gone.

Nikki: Money is a material thing that's critical.

Nikki: Like swear the money gone, my life would be gone.

Nikki: Do you know what I mean?

Nikki: I can't buy food, right?

Nikki: Easy.

Salina: Next.

Salina: Well, the next thing is, come on and marry me, Bill.

Nikki: Oh, that's it?

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: I didn't want to hit you with a bunch of questions, so we were just going to do the one.

Nikki: Wow.

Nikki: Season three, Episode 18 come on and marry me, Bill the show.

Nikki: So we got another Salina description here.

Nikki: I see.

Nikki: Was this the one you were really unhappy with?

Salina: I can't remember.

Nikki: So Salina says the sugar baker's ladies are in a frenzy as they happily prepare for Charlene's wedding.

Nikki: But Bill Stag party throws some dangerous curves that could sabotage the elegant plans.

Salina: I think I just left Salina's description in there from the last one.

Salina: I don't think that's mine.

Salina: That doesn't even sound like me.

Nikki: Stag party.

Nikki: I was like, that's a weird word choice for you.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: Okay, so this week's episode description was what I just read.

Salina: It's one of them, though.

Salina: Probably hulu.

Salina: I don't know.

Nikki: Air Date April 10, 1989 we're calling this one Menage attois Marriage.

Salina: You say that like somebody who speaks French.

Nikki: What was my French teacher's name?

Nikki: She should be so proud that I can say Menage attois.

Salina: I know.

Salina: Was it Miss Menage?

Nikki: So in an exciting and dramatic twist, charlene's Madam friend Monet returns for this one.

Nikki: But this is where there's no good transition.

Nikki: Sadly, the actor who played her bobby, Faye Ferguson, passed in June.

Nikki: She was 78.

Nikki: And you got a little something about her coming up later.

Salina: I do.

Salina: We'll Salina's sidebar about her and talk a little bit about her life and some of her achievements.

Nikki: Okay.

Nikki: So this episode was written by LBT.

Nikki: And again directed by David Trainer.

Nikki: So let's get into it.

Nikki: This is a big episode.

Nikki: General reaction, stray observations.

Salina: Do we need to talk about the this Is Your Life show they put on at her bachelorette party?

Nikki: Oh, yeah, sure.

Nikki: You have a strong opinion.

Salina: Oh, did you not have any thoughts about that specifically?

Nikki: I thought that whole scene was a little cringy.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: And I had read on I don't think it's in my notes.

Nikki: I had read on Designingwomen.com that this episode in particular gives fans, like, the warm fuzzies.

Nikki: And that scene in particular, I think it said, really sits with people.

Nikki: And it really gave me the Heebie GB's.

Nikki: It was just weird.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: The stories that they were masking who was there and telling these stories behind this bedsheet or whatever.

Salina: And these did not hit great for me.

Salina: I couldn't tell if some of the jokes because everybody's like the real dramatic laughter.

Salina: I couldn't tell if maybe the jokes weren't good or if they were really just trying to write them in that character.

Salina: And so they were supposed to be.

Salina: That's what's kind of cute about them is they're not funny.

Salina: I wasn't sure.

Salina: And then I had an unanswerable question about this bit, which is, are some of these tidbits from LBT's life?

Salina: Like, there were people telling stories about her back in Missouri?

Salina: And I was just wondering we don't really know, but it's possible.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: Some other things that I thought can.

Nikki: I say one more thing about that scene?

Nikki: It's related to that.

Nikki: I looked into it and again, my brain working because I'm scrolling through my notes.

Nikki: I looked into it to see if any of LBT's family or her husband's family were part of that scene.

Nikki: Because and I mean this with all the love in the world, some of those people did not seem like actors.

Nikki: So the very first story that was told, that person was not a trained actor, in my opinion.

Nikki: And so I was curious if that was family.

Nikki: And I was not successful in finding out.

Nikki: But I have read in a few places that they are notorious for dropping family into episodes.

Nikki: So I would be shocked and appalled if someone told me no one in that room was relation.

Salina: Well, and then I'd just rather know that that was a real story about LBT.

Salina: And I think that would make more charming warm and fuzzy charming kind of thing.

Salina: Actually, all of my general reactions are about that.

Nikki: Oh, okay.

Salina: That's it.

Nikki: Wow.

Salina: It must have really stayed with me.

Nikki: Must have.

Salina: So I can see how fans, like, really big fans of the show are excited about some parts of it.

Salina: So I did love suzanne bernice, mary joe and julia lip syncing to wedding bell blues.

Salina: Now, this also was prominently featured in gilmore girls in the episode where richard and emily renew their vows.

Salina: Do you remember what song they sang?

Salina: Bill, I love you.

Nikki: They were lip sync.

Salina: Julia goes on to sing another song.

Nikki: She's also lip syncing.

Salina: Not in that next one, I don't think.

Salina: Oh, you think so?

Nikki: Really rigged.

Salina: I bet you they recorded her.

Salina: Yes, for sure.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: It's hard for me to watch.

Salina: I think sometimes I never know if I'm getting, like, a delay, and there was a weird not a delay because it's not live.

Salina: I don't know if you know this or not, but it's not 19 eight.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: That part of them singing.

Nikki: My buddy that julia was singing at the piano.

Salina: I didn't like that song.

Nikki: I loved it so much.

Salina: You love that song so much?

Nikki: I loved it so much.

Salina: Did you really?

Nikki: Yes.

Nikki: The lines the words were so sweet.

Nikki: The concept of my buddy, like, not my song.

Salina: I don't like the word buddy.

Nikki: Oh, see, I love it so much.

Nikki: It's so endearing and so, like any of your friends, buddy, it's of a different time.

Salina: Yeah, I see that.

Nikki: It felt very nostalgic.

Nikki: It felt very and the lyrics were so sweet.

Nikki: I really loved that.

Salina: So some of it was getting me in my feels.

Salina: But that song just I don't know.

Nikki: It didn't do it.

Salina: That was another one that didn't hit well for me.

Salina: I also was, like, thinking about this idea where, except for in very special circumstances, having to sit there and look your friend dead in the eyes while they sing you a full song.

Nikki: Weird.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: This is what I'm saying.

Salina: And I think that was what was uncomfortable for me, even more so than the song I know I've sang to a friend before.

Salina: And holding that eye contact the whole time, holding eye contact for a long time, anyway, is just weird.

Salina: But also doing it with the song, that's just another level.

Nikki: Julia has this thing, though, where she performs at a lot of their parties.

Nikki: And, like, we've talked before about dixie carter dixie's inclination, so I feel like I feel comfortable saying this, that no one's going to be offended.

Nikki: None of my friends are performers.

Nikki: So if they were singing to me for an extended period of time, I'm not sure it would be the most enjoyable experience.

Nikki: Oh, I think there are a couple who have beautiful voices and maybe it wouldn't be so bad, but it's not in their character.

Nikki: So, like, if I was used to my friend singing, singing at parties and stuff, I'd almost be offended if she didn't sing me a song.

Salina: Doesn't that feel like of another time?

Salina: Yeah, I think we talked about that.

Nikki: When we talked about Dixie Carter's proclivities for laying on the piano.

Nikki: No, we made that part up.

Salina: No, that's true.

Nikki: That's true.

Nikki: Okay.

Nikki: She would, like, lay out on the piano.

Salina: I think that's true.

Salina: She definitely would come to the top of the banister.

Nikki: Yes.

Salina: And she'd be like fashionably 15 minutes late.

Salina: And she's like, oh, are you all waiting for me?

Salina: Which I love because she is dramatic on the show, but not in that way.

Salina: That's in a really showy way.

Salina: And I would have just loved to have been on a fly on the wall for that, or even a guest.

Salina: I don't have to necessarily be a fly on the wall.

Salina: That's how I like to attend parties.

Salina: I had one more thought about this, which was that this was all very g for a bachelorette party.

Salina: No.

Nikki: Charlene.

Salina: Yes.

Salina: Well, yes and no, because I don't know that she's that g.

Salina: But her family is very Baptist, and so since there were a lot of family and attendance, I get it.

Salina: But my point in this is don't underestimate women.

Salina: They get wild.

Nikki: Yeah, for sure.

Salina: The only people I know who get.

Nikki: More wild are the girls.

Salina: I was going to say moms on that first excursion out after you all been holed up in the house a long time.

Salina: Oh, you wild.

Salina: You haven't necessarily been able to drink a lot.

Salina: So the soft pitch real fast, that's the only Wilder group.

Salina: Fresh new moms.

Nikki: That's a good point.

Nikki: That's a good point.

Nikki: The only other thing so one general reaction is I thought this was a really sweet episode.

Nikki: There's different strokes for different folks.

Nikki: I thought my buddy, like I said, was very it felt sentimental.

Nikki: It felt of another time.

Nikki: It felt dreamy, in a way.

Nikki: So I loved that.

Nikki: I will say I'm shocked this was just one episode, part one, that they.

Salina: Didn'T do the bachelorette part.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: So it wasn't split over two episodes or split over a season, honestly.

Nikki: Or a season ender or something.

Nikki: It just feels like these days, even in a sitcom, a wedding just traditionally gets a two parter.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: You would get the bachelorette party and then the wedding on friends.

Salina: I feel like Ross got married the whole season when he got married.

Salina: To Emily.

Nikki: To Emily.

Nikki: Good lord.

Salina: Season four or something.

Salina: I mean, we just spent the whole time on that wedding.

Nikki: Emily really sticks with you like toilet paper on your shoe.

Nikki: She just would not go away.

Nikki: So that struck me.

Nikki: I also had read, I'm going to go back to designingwomenonline.com, which is like my resource for everything.

Nikki: They said this episode was really special to LBT.

Nikki: It said that LBT Became the first writer in TV history to write 35 consecutive episodes of a show, which we talked about in our finale finale, Extra Sugar, this last season.

Nikki: So they marked the 50th episode of Designing Women with a special episode, which was this wedding.

Salina: Oh, okay.

Nikki: So this was a special episode.

Nikki: So I think that's part of why it fell.

Nikki: When it fell, it just was kind of awkward to me.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: And I don't want like, I did like this episode, and I think more of the things that I liked will come up in likes.

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: In terms of strays.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: I wanted to mention that Noel got a mention in this episode when Mary Joe says, charlene had every right to tell Suzanne she couldn't bring her pig to the reception.

Salina: Right.

Nikki: So we had that whole discussion in episode 15 about that being the last time Noel would appear.

Nikki: So at least she's here in spirit for now.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: We have yet another bud.

Nikki: Fraser.

Salina: That's right.

Salina: We sure do.

Nikki: Barry Corbin this time.

Nikki: He's been in a ton of things.

Nikki: His voice to me again, like Mrs.

Nikki: That's what got me, because I know him from The Ranch on Netflix is.

Salina: So funny because I have a note here where I talk about like I went and looked through his filmography because I recognize him most as Whitey from One Tree Hill.

Salina: He was the coach.

Nikki: I've never watched One Tree Hill.

Salina: Really?

Nikki: Never.

Salina: I think you'd like it.

Nikki: I probably would.

Salina: The early years, I think it kind of went off the rails a little bit, like most of those teeny soap dramas do.

Salina: You just run out of content.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: But that's what I knew him the most from.

Salina: But when I was looking and saw Ranch, I have a note here that says, Nikki.

Salina: You'll know him?

Salina: From the ranch.

Nikki: I love that show so much.

Salina: He was also on Yellowstone recently, and that's a big hit.

Salina: And then he's, like, got an extensive filmography and actually he's about to be in a highly anticipated Scorsese movie.

Nikki: Oh, that's good to hear.

Salina: Good for him.

Nikki: In The Ranch, he has hearing AIDS and they're pretty visible.

Nikki: I don't know if that was part of his character or if that was just part of him getting and he looks very different than he does in this episode.

Nikki: It's aging and whatnot, but he looks like he's aged a lot.

Nikki: And so I honestly was a little worried.

Salina: Well, that's what 40 years will do to you.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: Especially since he's already playing, like exactly.

Salina: But I feel like I don't know.

Salina: A lot of hearing AIDS are invisible, so I feel like if you could.

Nikki: See them, they must have been part of the character.

Salina: Yeah, it feels like a character choice.

Nikki: But it was just interesting that I don't really know him, honestly.

Nikki: From anything else.

Nikki: And my first reaction was he was an older guy.

Nikki: And so to see him in this.

Salina: Context, it was weird.

Salina: It was really weird.

Salina: Because he looks so young.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: I mean, even though he's not young.

Salina: But I think that speaks to 40 years.

Salina: Right?

Salina: 40 years.

Salina: And it's just interesting because we did talk about this.

Salina: We kind of queued up the fact that this was going to happen.

Salina: And here we are on a third father second this season.

Salina: Ronnie excuse me, clarie Edwards still showing up as the mom.

Salina: There was probably, like a scheduling conflict or something, but it's very weird for five episodes later or whatever it is.

Nikki: To be super noticeable.

Salina: Yeah, like you would have even noticed that then, I think.

Nikki: Right?

Salina: What else did you have in Strays?

Nikki: I mentioned this a second ago, sort of.

Nikki: So Uncle Howard's toast was really glorious.

Nikki: It was glorious.

Nikki: What's more interesting is that it was played by Howard Bloodworth, who is actually LBT's uncle.

Nikki: And that goes back to my point about just not being able to put my finger on it, but some of these people felt homegrown.

Salina: I think it was homegrown.

Salina: But also giving the speech at a rehearsal dinner is like a pretty it feels coveted or something.

Salina: And so for me, the reason I wound up looking into it was just because I was like, wait, I've not once heard of this Uncle Howard person, and here they are getting their own speech.

Salina: I know sometimes to get paid with SAG, you need to get in a line or something, but a whole speech, that felt significant.

Salina: And that's where I was like, Something's going on here.

Salina: But, yeah, it's interesting.

Nikki: I had one more Stray, which goes to the stag party or the bachelor party.

Nikki: This was important enough to me that I had to write it down.

Nikki: So I'm curious if you feel the same way.

Nikki: Were we all uncomfortable by that lady dancing right in front of Reese at the bachelor party, or was it just me?

Nikki: It was a lot of gyrating and a lot of Hal Holbrook's eyes moving, and it was Heebie GB for me.

Salina: There's a significant age difference there.

Nikki: It's just awkward.

Salina: Also, I think the whole thing is a little uncomfortable.

Nikki: That whole little bit.

Salina: Was her name little Latin lope?

Salina: Don't love that little Latin loopy in the south?

Salina: Yes.

Salina: Do you recognize her.

Nikki: Now that you've said it?

Nikki: Now I can't tell if I'm having a flashback to the show or from somewhere.

Nikki: You tell me who it is.

Salina: It was driving me nuts because I was like, she looks so familiar to me.

Salina: She was in the very beginning of the first Austin Powers International man of mystery.

Salina: Oh, my gosh.

Salina: A lot of china.

Nikki: Yes, that's her.

Salina: That's her.

Nikki: Oh, fascinating.

Nikki: I can see.

Nikki: Yes, 100%.

Nikki: I see that now.

Salina: And I don't know if this was like this with your friends.

Salina: We saw that movie no fewer than 150 times.

Nikki: Not with my friends, with my sister.

Nikki: We used to watch that movie a lot.

Salina: Well, if I had a sister you would have watched.

Salina: I would have watched it a lot with her.

Nikki: But my dad also really loved Austin Powers.

Nikki: So we would go every time the movies came out, we'd go see it in the theater.

Salina: I heard rumor.

Salina: It can't be a big rumor if I've heard it, but I understand there's a rumor.

Salina: There are rumors that they're going to do another one.

Nikki: This feels familiar to me.

Nikki: Yeah, it gets hard to keep track of all the reboots, but that does feel familiar.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: I don't know because Mike Myers wound up doing a new show on Netflix and I wonder if the performance of that will wind up being the indicator for whether or not they do Powers.

Salina: But I'm not sure.

Salina: What I will say is I love Mike Myers and I think that he's hilarious.

Salina: He's so funny and I've heard some really intriguing interviews with him.

Salina: It just goes to show funny people are pretty serious off Mike.

Nikki: They got range.

Salina: So serious.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: It's just interesting.

Salina: You wouldn't think that.

Salina: I only have one more stray.

Nikki: I don't have any more.

Salina: Bill's friend's nickname is Moonwalker and it reminds me, I really think that we need to get our call signs together.

Salina: Just going to get a plug in for that.

Salina: We'll have to give one to each other.

Salina: You can't make up your own call sign.

Salina: I'm sure we'll remember this.

Nikki: I told Kyle I only want to be after we saw Top Gun.

Nikki: Every time I did something cool I would go maverick.

Salina: That's the only one you want to be, maverick.

Nikki: So if you'd give me that call sign, that'd be cool.

Salina: Yeah, absolutely.

Salina: Not a problem.

Salina: So are you ready to Salina's sidebar?

Nikki: It's a sidebar.

Nikki: Salina sidebar.

Nikki: She's got a keyboard looking for a reward by digging deep in the obscure, taking us on a detour.

Nikki: What?

Nikki: You got Salina in Salina sidebar?

Salina: You mentioned this at the top about Bobby Faye Ferguson.

Salina: So she passed away this summer and given her connection to the show, I thought it would be nice to celebrate her by talking just a little bit about her life and her achievements.

Salina: Does that sound okay with you?

Nikki: That sounds great.

Salina: I mean, can you imagine the world where you were like, no, I would.

Nikki: Rather we not honor someone who's dead.

Salina: You probably could have guessed this from the name, but Bobby Faye was a southern person.

Salina: She was born in Memphis and she grew up in Eudora, Arkansas.

Salina: Oh, the connections there are coming.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: She later graduated from the University of Arkansas with a degree in speech and communications.

Salina: Circling around two degrees in this room.

Salina: Getting pretty close.

Salina: She was in the top ten in the Miss Arkansas pageant.

Salina: And Bobby Faye also went on to be a high school teacher and she was Teacher of the Year in Little Rock.

Nikki: Oh, that's nice.

Salina: She later became a model and actress, appearing in shows like Dukes of Hazard and Remington Still, as well as Designing Women and LBT's other Babies, evening Shade and Hearts of Fire.

Salina: Oh, get this.

Salina: This is where it'll really start to make sense.

Salina: She was a Clinton appointee and started NASA's multimedia program in DC.

Salina: Later worked for the Department of Homeland Security in La.

Salina: And in this capacity she winds up being a consultant on a few movies and for a TV series.

Salina: So I thought that was interesting.

Salina: I never would have thought that I would have seen I don't know.

Salina: I just don't think that someone's going to be an actor.

Salina: Also is like, I think I'll do a stint at NASA.

Nikki: They got range.

Salina: You can do anything you want.

Salina: Also, I wanted to say acting runs in the family.

Salina: Her son is J.

Salina: R.

Salina: Ferguson.

Salina: He's been in a ton of stuff.

Salina: You'll know him if you see him most recently on The Connors as Darlene's love interest Ben.

Salina: I know him as Stan Rizzo on Mad Men.

Salina: Nikki is going to be googling over there.

Salina: By all accounts, Bobby Faye was quite a human.

Salina: And I just wanted to say that learning more about her really made me enjoy her performance both here and in season one all the more.

Salina: And while you're googling over there, Nikki, I found it.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: You recognize them?

Nikki: I do.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Speaking of things that we like, what did you like about this episode?

Nikki: Nikki, that was such a smooth transition.

Nikki: I wasn't prepared for that transition.

Salina: Oh, I'm so sorry.

Nikki: Jeff the one just the general general like that.

Nikki: It was a wedding episode full of romance and hijinks.

Nikki: What's not to love?

Salina: That's true.

Salina: I liked Bernice's very appropriate speech at the rehearsal dinner.

Nikki: Yes.

Nikki: I didn't mention that earlier when I talked about Uncle Howard's toast.

Nikki: The flip of that was that Bernice was so good.

Salina: She is the best.

Salina: She gets up on like a table or an ottoman or something and she just lets it rip.

Salina: Oh, my God.

Nikki: And everybody just lets her go for a little while.

Salina: Well, in Mary Joe calling it her very appropriate piece, that to me also just felt very Southern.

Nikki: Thank you.

Salina: That's very appropriate.

Salina: Go ahead and sit down and never talk again.

Nikki: They said that Suzanne drew the short straw to watch her that night, but I just really feel like Bernice is someone that needs maybe more of an Anthony Honor and you can't afford to risk a night like that on Suzanne.

Salina: Yeah, that was maybe not the best call.

Nikki: I would have taken Suzanne out of the running on that one.

Salina: Also, you can't put Baby in a corner.

Nikki: I'm going to have to rewatch her speech a couple of times because it was very funny.

Salina: Yeah, it was good.

Salina: I enjoyed the bachelor excuse me, the bachelor party shenanigans the most.

Salina: I don't know, Reese being there.

Salina: Not the gyrations in front of his face, but just like, him being in the mix for this one and, like.

Nikki: Saying things like, no, Julia would not approve of this at all.

Salina: Yeah, he had, like, a little good one liners between him and Anthony especially.

Nikki: But you're really a Renaissance man, aren't you?

Salina: Anthony loved it.

Salina: Bill and the dancer getting handcuffed together.

Salina: Anthony to the rescue, knowing how to speak Spanish.

Salina: And they were menage tois handcuffs.

Salina: Of course, he knows this as well.

Salina: Charlene and Julia busting them both.

Salina: Lupe cuffing.

Salina: Charlene, too.

Salina: Culminating with all three of them being together as Charlene attempts to get ready.

Salina: I mean, just like when it shows her getting ready and it pulls back and they're both, like, haggard.

Nikki: That was so sad.

Salina: It is.

Salina: But it's just good sitcom stuff.

Salina: It was really funny Monet having a set of keys in her purse because that's what sex workers do.

Nikki: That was great.

Salina: I'm here for it.

Salina: I liked it.

Nikki: She saved the day yet again.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: And I actually really just liked the whole wedding sequence at the end.

Salina: We get to see everyone in the crowd and I thought that was nice.

Salina: It was like her brother was there.

Salina: Odell was back in the crowd.

Salina: We just pulled in a lot of people.

Salina: I mean, it makes sense, right?

Salina: But that's still a big production to bring all of those people in.

Nikki: She had mentioned Odell was at the bachelor party, so I had to look it up to make sure.

Salina: You don't get a good coffee table.

Nikki: You don't get a good view of him.

Nikki: But we spent some time talking about him in the Odell episode.

Nikki: So I wanted to make sure it was the same guy and they weren't trying to pull a fast one on us like they were with Papa Fraser.

Salina: That's the same guy, right?

Salina: So I like that aspect of it.

Salina: Their wedding attire, lots of hats and, like, even Lupe being in the crowd.

Nikki: Oh, yeah.

Salina: She got excited.

Salina: I even teared up a little bit.

Salina: See, I liked it.

Salina: What about what we didn't like?

Nikki: The only beef I could possibly have, and I think I mentioned this a few minutes ago, was all the singing.

Nikki: There was just so much singing.

Nikki: I think maybe I missed that they were lip syncing that one song when it was the four of them.

Nikki: But every time and I rewatched this episode a couple of times, every time it happened, I had to walk away because it was just so awkward for me and the my buddy.

Nikki: I could listen to that.

Nikki: Although I think Annie Potts's character and I also thought maybe they were lip syncing that, too, because she had sort of like a clownish kind of voice thing happening.

Nikki: Like, we had one episode where she sang and it was at a Christmas party or something.

Nikki: And it was kind of a funny, muppety, sort of sounding voice.

Nikki: That's what it sounded like here.

Nikki: And it just sounded pretend or something.

Nikki: It sounded something.

Salina: I think we said this then, and this would be the way I would talk.

Salina: It's like another era style of singing.

Salina: It's like 30s or forty s, and it reminds me of Snow White.

Nikki: Okay, I can get on board with it.

Salina: Annie Pot sounds better than what I just did.

Salina: But I'm talking about this.

Salina: It's just like a very interesting do you want me to look you dead.

Nikki: In the eye and sing my buddy for three and a half minutes?

Nikki: That was my only beef.

Salina: I just gargling and singing all at once.

Nikki: Every time they sing on this show, it's really hard for me to watch.

Nikki: There's so much lip syncing.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: Just can't watch it.

Salina: That's understandable.

Salina: My only thing was, and I was on the fence about was the bachelorette party.

Salina: I think I just wanted a little bit more from that.

Salina: I wanted them to let their 80s teased hair down and I wanted them to run the town.

Salina: I wanted them to paint it red.

Salina: And we got a really G rated bachelorette party, and I just wanted more for Charlene.

Salina: You ready to rate the sucker?

Nikki: I'm ready.

Salina: What you got?

Nikki: This little light of mine.

Nikki: Wedding performances.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: I gave it a five out of five.

Salina: That's very nice.

Nikki: I didn't really have much against this episode.

Nikki: I thought it was nice.

Salina: I agree.

Salina: I give it a 4.8 out of five.

Salina: Respectable keyless cuffs.

Salina: Got to get some of those keyless cuffs, guys.

Nikki: And a saw.

Salina: Well, just in case.

Salina: But it was fun, sweet, easy, breezy, with enough drama to keep me interested.

Salina: And it wasn't serious drama.

Salina: That's, like, upsetting, right?

Salina: And we got to see our girl get married to someone she loves.

Salina: What's not to love?

Nikki: What's not to love?

Salina: Who won the episode and who butted all biscuits?

Nikki: I mean, Monet, right?

Nikki: She freed him from the handcuffs.

Salina: Bam.

Nikki: Stole the words right out of your mouth.

Salina: Basically.

Salina: Well, I did say, someone get that gal a better job than taking care of the guest book.

Salina: She needed an upgrade.

Nikki: I think she did.

Nikki: She was part of the house party and not the bridal party.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: Flashback to last week's section.

Salina: It was a goodie who lost the episode and served us lumpy gravy.

Nikki: So I want to be all girl power and whatnot, but I'm a little cheesed off at Little Latin Loopy.

Salina: Oh, okay.

Nikki: Why would she not have the key to those handcuffs?

Salina: It's her boyfriend's fault.

Nikki: That is just not responsible.

Nikki: Stripping.

Salina: Yeah, but it was her boyfriend's fault, wasn't it?

Nikki: No, I think she left her purse in his car.

Salina: My thing is, why was the solution to Bill and Charlene arguing that she threw the handcuffs on Charlene, too?

Salina: I get it.

Salina: She's tired.

Salina: She's so tired.

Nikki: I think she just wanted to be extra clear.

Nikki: Like, I don't want to get between you guys.

Nikki: This is not about that.

Nikki: This is a total misunderstanding.

Salina: And the best way for me to not get in between you guys is to literally get in between you guys.

Salina: Yeah, well, the best laid plans and all of that.

Salina: I went with all of Charlene's exes because she's off the market now, which I'm pretty sure I've used before in some episode somewhere, somehow.

Salina: But, hey, she's a catch.

Salina: So if I have used it before, it's worth doing it twice.

Nikki: It's true.

Salina: 80S things.

Nikki: They mentioned Animal House, and this is only an 80s thing because we don't have a 70s thing.

Nikki: But Animal House was a national Lampoons film from the late 70s written by, among others, Harold Ramos of Ghostbusters fame.

Nikki: I also noticed he directed an episode of The Office that he watched yesterday.

Salina: I think it's a few, probably.

Nikki: I just happened to notice it.

Salina: You should listen to The Office ladies, and they talk about him, and he just sounds like the most wonderful human being.

Salina: I just love him so much, which is weird because I don't know him.

Salina: Also, he's past, but yeah, he just seems wonderful.

Nikki: So anyone who doesn't know Animal House was the reason most people know John Belushi.

Salina: Yes.

Nikki: It's about a fraternity, and it's a little off color, so that's why Suzanne referenced it in reference to the bachelor party, maybe.

Salina: Yeah, I think so.

Nikki: So that was my only 80s thing.

Salina: I've never seen it.

Nikki: I think I've seen bits and pieces of it, but I don't remember clips.

Nikki: I think I've watched sat down and watched it, but it's like one of those things that I just caddy Shack.

Nikki: Yeah, definitely Caddy.

Nikki: I've definitely watched Caddyshack.

Nikki: Like that sort of in and out.

Salina: Yeah, I'm good.

Salina: I don't know.

Nikki: It's just not that funny to me.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: And I think Harold Ramos is hilarious.

Salina: Sure.

Nikki: I think caddyshack is Bill Murray hilarious.

Salina: Comedy evolved, so I think it could have been very hilarious at that time.

Nikki: Well, I also think it's context.

Nikki: I think possibly there's a group of people that would watch that now and think it's hilarious, and maybe that's just not my kind of humor.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: I watch Mean Girls.

Nikki: I watch Mean Girls, and I think that's the funniest movie in the history of the world.

Nikki: Kyle watched it with me recently, and with the exception of a couple of lines, he didn't laugh at all.

Nikki: Yeah, he just didn't see the humor.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: But I feel like Mean Girls is a little bit more modern.

Salina: I think even someone who enjoyed Caddyshack a long time ago, I think if they were just really laughing it up, I think it would be nostalgia more than it just being still that funny today.

Salina: And again, I do really think that's because comedy evolved so much and I think Tina Fey is just such a force that the things that she some some stuff doesn't age as badly.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: I mean, Caddyshack classic.

Salina: Go check it out.

Salina: I don't want to crap on really what are inarguably great movies.

Salina: So mine was everything at the wedding.

Salina: 80s.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: I mean, Charlene's dress, just the whole bit.

Salina: I mean, it was beautiful, but it was just 1989.

Nikki: Yeah.

Salina: You know, the decorations, everything.

Salina: The shenanigans for this one actually feel very of this era.

Salina: Oh no.

Salina: We're handcuffed together.

Salina: Oh, no.

Salina: No one has a key.

Salina: Oh no.

Salina: You know, I just feel highway state.

Nikki: Patrol had to stop the boyfriend on his way to Shreveport versus just calling a cell phone.

Salina: Right.

Salina: I just feel like also the handcuffed thing was I didn't have time to look into it, but I just feel like that was a really big story plot device at the time.

Salina: I feel like I have seen people get oh, no, we were handcuffed together probably in like twelve comedies from that time.

Nikki: Southern Things ozark Beauty College.

Nikki: This was mentioned by Charlene's sister during the bachelorette party.

Nikki: I didn't do a deep dive, but I did Google it and it seems legit.

Nikki: It seems like that's an actual Cosmetology school.

Nikki: There was a reference to the guy who played Floyd on Maybury RFD.

Nikki: Another one.

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: In Shreveport, Louisiana, which is where Lupe was moving.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: Oh, that was good to put that in Southern.

Salina: I'm like we just had Floyd in one.

Salina: That's because that was in my references.

Salina: We need to talk about So I had no Southern things, which I knew was wrong.

Nikki: There weren't a lot of references in this episode.

Nikki: There just wasn't a lot of maybe space for that.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: So you already mentioned Floyd.

Salina: My other references we need to talk about is the Missouri Walts.

Salina: This is the official state song and has been since June 30, 1949, I think.

Salina: It wasn't even written by anyone in Missouri.

Salina: It was like written by someone in Maine or something.

Salina: Cut lines.

Nikki: There was a bit cut from the opening scene carrying on from the conversation about Noel not being allowed to the reception.

Nikki: Suzanne says, Mary Joe, I guess I'll be picking you up for the wedding since I don't have anybody to take.

Nikki: Charlene says, what did I tell you?

Nikki: She's mad about that pig.

Nikki: Oh, Charlene, don't be ridiculous.

Nikki: If you don't want Noel to come to your reception, that's your right.

Nikki: I just think Mr.

Nikki: Garfinkle's going to be a little disappointed.

Nikki: Who's Mr.

Nikki: Garfinkle?

Nikki: My shoemaker.

Nikki: I mean, he just about knocked himself out designing those little pig pumps.

Nikki: So when's the big bus from Hehaw getting here?

Nikki: Suzanne, if you're referring to my family, they're coming in a nine car caravan because the plane fare would have cost over a million dollars.

Nikki: I'm going to tell them you said that.

Nikki: Oh, lighten up.

Nikki: I bet they would have enjoyed meeting my pig.

Nikki: And then after the cuffs came off you just mentioned that Lupe was in the audience.

Nikki: After the cuffs came off, Charlene invited her to the wedding.

Nikki: And that was cut.

Salina: That's our charlene.

Nikki: Next episode.

Nikki: We are rounding home plate.

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Salina: So grab your beer funnel and your obligatory p**** shaped party favor.

Salina: We're about to get wild.

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Salina: Not Girls Gone Wild.

Salina: See?

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Salina: It means we'll see you around the bend.

Salina: By.

Salina: Welcome to this week's edition of Extra Sugar.

Salina: So Charlene Spatula at party got us me.

Salina: We interested in the general tradition.

Salina: So today we're going to talk a little bit about the history of bachelorette parties.

Salina: Top bachelorette.

Salina: That's a really hard word to say twice in a row.

Salina: Batch party destinations in the south.

Salina: And then I thought we'd close out by talking about some memories.

Salina: It could be our bachelorette party or it could be someone else's bachelorette party.

Nikki: I thought what happened in Vegas stayed in Vegas.

Salina: Well, be careful.

Salina: Don't break girl code.

Nikki: Yeah, I signed some NDAs.

Salina: Well, then you'll have to tell other stories.

Salina: Also, do you know what bachelorette parties are called in, like, the UK and Ireland?

Nikki: Staguette parties.

Salina: Hen parties.

Nikki: Hen parties.

Nikki: I did know that, actually.

Salina: I don't like it.

Salina: They're just clucking.

Nikki: You know, women just I bet that's it.

Salina: Yeah, it is exactly it.

Nikki: They're laying around on their eggs, just clucking around.

Salina: So Ashley had they threw her a hen party over there and she would tell me, like, kind of update me on what they were doing or whatever, and I'd be like, Stop saying hen party.

Salina: Sorry, Ashley.

Salina: I love you.

Salina: I don't know, it just seems mean.

Salina: Anyways, patriarchy.

Salina: So I found this article in Time and not like in Time, in due Time, somewhere over the cults and histories of Time, but in actually the magazine Time.

Salina: The predecessor of the bachelorette party emerged in the as a second bridal shower of sorts that allowed women to drink with their girlfriends and open more risque gifts like lingerie.

Salina: To contrast with that idea, some form of the bachelorette party has been around for so long that its roots can be traced back to Spartans.

Salina: Fifty S.

Salina: Sixty S.

Salina: Spartans.

Salina: That feels right.

Nikki: Maybe women just didn't want to celebrate getting married.

Salina: Yeah, but the bachelorette party wasn't really cemented in culture until the 80s.

Salina: In fact, the article says the first mention of this type of party first appeared in Time back in 1979, and it spotlighted male strippers in Wisconsin.

Salina: I have to tell you all places.

Salina: That's what I'm saying.

Salina: That was the last location that I was expecting, but good for you all.

Salina: Sociologist Beth Montemuro points to bachelorette parties as a byproduct of the women's liberation movement and sexual revolution.

Salina: I think you could argue that the introduction of these parties for women was really quite progressive for the Times.

Salina: Time also speaks to the evolution of these events, from one night of debauchery to these very elaborate, expensive weekends.

Salina: Sure, the internet and social media have exacerbated things, but the real culprit any ideas?

Nikki: The male stripper industry?

Salina: The male stripper industrial complex?

Nikki: No idea.

Salina: It's a wonderful guess.

Salina: It is none other than the wedding of the century back in 1981, when soon to be princess Diana and Prince Charles married in a wedding seen by 750,000,000.

Salina: Just in case you weren't aware of how many people it was worldwide, suddenly everything had to be bigger, better, more extravagant, and I just don't think we ever really turned back.

Salina: Let's talk about top bachelorette party destinations in the south.

Salina: So I narrowed the list down to four.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: And basically what I did, I need you to know my criteria.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: It is very important to me.

Salina: I looked across a few lists.

Salina: If they appear multiple times, we're talking about it.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: First on the list wait, do I get to guess?

Salina: Oh, yeah.

Salina: Okay.

Salina: The four that I narrowed it to.

Salina: Yes.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: Nashville.

Salina: Okay.

Nikki: New Orleans, Charleston and Greenbow, alabama, if.

Salina: You guess that last one because it's a little bit of a sticker outer.

Nikki: Is it?

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: I don't think you'll guess it.

Nikki: It's not somewhere in Kentucky?

Salina: No.

Nikki: Not somewhere in Virginia.

Salina: Yes.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: Do you want to guess?

Nikki: Charleston.

Nikki: Charles.

Nikki: Charlottesville.

Salina: Shut the front door.

Nikki: I couldn't think of that name.

Nikki: I couldn't think of that city.

Salina: Were you in my notes?

Nikki: I was not.

Nikki: Did I get them all right?

Salina: You didn't name it them in order, but for a second I thought you did, and I was like, she and my notes.

Salina: She's about Google Docs.

Salina: So we'll start with New Orleans, your favorite city.

Salina: And I have to tell you, after I was reading more about it, and you have talked to me for years about how great it is there, and I think it's just hard for me to not get bourbon or to get bourbon street out of my head.

Salina: That is just one part.

Salina: And now I really want to go after looking into this segment, but it's arguably the most obvious choice, and because of Bourbon Street, it's the most obvious choice for celebrating.

Salina: What can I say?

Salina: In the bible belt, we get really excited when we can drink legally in the streets.

Nikki: I love debauchery.

Nikki: I love open container laws.

Salina: That's right.

Salina: So there are other creative ways, though, to spend your time.

Salina: Like, I was just alluding to you don't have to be you can be on Bourbon Street the whole time.

Salina: But there's other stuff.

Salina: There's a voodoo museum, swamp tours, ghost tours, live jazz.

Salina: What?

Nikki: Imagining a bunch of bachelorettes on the swamp tour.

Salina: Just like, the fans blowing in the back.

Nikki: Funny to me.

Salina: Hey, it's all stripes.

Salina: Something for everybody.

Salina: But also, like, there's gumbo and beignets, which you'll want to eat in your bikini.

Salina: And, I mean, I'm ready to go right now.

Nikki: I feel like it's also very aesthetic and very instagrammable, which is what I feel like bachelorette parties have become.

Salina: Yeah, I'm like, hold on, I got to put something on Instagram.

Salina: But also, I just can't stand that culture.

Nikki: Not having been to a bachelorette party in lots of years at this point, it's probably been at least five years.

Nikki: No, it's been longer than that.

Nikki: At least seven years that I've been to a bachelorette party.

Nikki: So I don't know how relevant my perspective is on it.

Nikki: But on social media, I just see bachelorette parties.

Nikki: They're just very aesthetic.

Salina: All of these places are.

Salina: Yeah, and that's part of what?

Nikki: That's a criteria.

Salina: Charleston well, do you have any questions for me?

Salina: Just know you can stop and stop me.

Salina: What would I answer?

Nikki: I haven't even been to New Orleans.

Salina: You'd be like, yes.

Salina: Where can I get the best beignets?

Salina: I think I'm all set.

Salina: I'd be like, well, you tell me.

Nikki: Probably not Cafe Dumoned, but it is the most instagrammable beignet.

Salina: Stop.

Salina: I feel like, yeah, it's classic, right?

Salina: Also ran by a female chef, I think.

Salina: Charleston yes.

Salina: This is a great pick because Charleston kind of has it all.

Salina: It's one of my favorite cities.

Salina: It's certainly one of my maybe my favorite city in all of the south.

Salina: You got great food.

Salina: You got nightlife on King Street.

Salina: I want to be very clear.

Salina: I'm old, and even when I wasn't old, I had become old.

Salina: So the nightlife doesn't mean as much to me, but it's there.

Salina: There's also Folly Beach nearby, so if you just need to get in that bikini, you absolutely can.

Salina: There's great shopping.

Salina: I think a lot of people would probably point you back to King Street for shopping.

Salina: That is definitely where your upscale Pradas and stuff are.

Salina: I actually prefer historic Charleston City Market.

Salina: It's an open air market with lots of unique finds, and it also has a cali's hot little biscuit at the end.

Salina: So the historic district is also full of a lot of really cool architecture.

Salina: I mean, that has to be one of my favorite parts about there, which firmly puts me in my late 30s, guys.

Salina: I realize most bachelorettes are probably like, OOH, I want to see this architecture.

Nikki: But maybe I bet they walk drunkenly down the cobblestone streets wondering about the.

Salina: Architecture, but it is that aesthetic.

Salina: So rainbow row or like the pineapple fountain, all of those things.

Nikki: I mean, if you're going to pass out somewhere, you might as well pass.

Salina: Out there on the pineapple fountain.

Salina: Sure.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: Just like a balloon letting out air.

Salina: Nashville.

Nikki: I love Nashville.

Salina: This was actually top of mind for me because when we were actually sort of planning out the season, nashville was the first place I thought of when we were talking about doing this segment, because in my mind, I would say for the last at least five years, this has been the place.

Salina: I hear everybody saying that they're going for a bachelorette party.

Salina: I was pretty sure I'd seen it as like, kind of like the Vegas of the south or something, but I didn't find any articles that were really saying that.

Salina: It was in a lot of lists, but just as one more thing on the list, which surprised me a little bit, I expected to see some more fanfare, but when it does come to bachelorette parties, the Music City hits all the right notes.

Nikki: Oh, no.

Salina: Someone will love it.

Salina: My mom will love it.

Nikki: Thanks, mom.

Salina: But what they're really known for is live music.

Salina: So it's everywhere.

Salina: Especially on Lower Broad or Aka Honky tonk highway.

Salina: Bar hopping is also something that you can accomplish on Honky Tonk Highway.

Salina: You can tour the nearby Jack Daniels Distillery.

Salina: You can get a ride to the distillery and back from the distillery, and everyone can remain safe.

Nikki: I feel like Uber is very popular in Nashville.

Salina: I would think so.

Salina: I'm guessing Jack Daniels has so much money, they may not need the Uber to do that.

Nikki: We did New Year's Eve in Nashville one year.

Nikki: And Jack Daniels was the sponsor.

Nikki: And they had all through Broadway, they had setups where you could grab a shot or a mixed drink everywhere you turn.

Nikki: Smart.

Salina: Smart.

Salina: Also one of the Southern billionaire families.

Salina: The Browns.

Nikki: That's right.

Salina: The last thing on the list for Nashville good eaton.

Salina: You've got the gulch, the SoBro neighborhoods, and then the Spice.

Salina: You're in the home of hot chicken.

Salina: Nashville hot chicken.

Nikki: So hot.

Salina: Yeah.

Salina: So Hattie Bees is probably the most well known option.

Salina: We also have one here in Atlanta, and I think they're just all over the country now.

Salina: But there are definitely plenty of good ones to choose from.

Salina: Eater Nashville even keeps a running list, so you can always say a breast, a chicken breast.

Salina: I would just like to say I didn't even write that.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: That was so fancy.

Salina: It just came right to here.

Nikki: Oh, I thought you plagiarized it.

Nikki: I didn't even write that.

Nikki: I just borrowed it from someone else.

Nikki: No, I just came from writing your noggin, it lamely.

Salina: Just came straight to me in the moment.

Nikki: Good for you.

Salina: Last on the list that you also guessed which blows my mind is Charlottesville, Virginia.

Salina: I wanted to include something that was a little less obvious in this one.

Salina: I wouldn't have probably included it, but just kept popping up.

Salina: So here we are.

Salina: Sorry, Charlottesville.

Salina: Not that there's anything I don't know.

Salina: Like I said, it's not the typical choice.

Nikki: I am missing something about Charlottesville because I've heard a lot of conversation about it recently and everybody loves it.

Salina: It sounds like it's a really cute town.

Nikki: I've never been there.

Salina: So for this one, I would say that this is for your wine loving bachelorette party.

Salina: There's the Monticello wine Trail that offers top rate wineries with tourable tasteable vineyards.

Salina: And the wedding wire suggests that Keswick Barbersville and Horton Vineyards as well as Pippen Hill Farm and Vineyards are all good spots.

Salina: Your backdrop.

Salina: The Blue Ridge Mountains.

Salina: So it's not only beautiful to look at, but fun to play in with all your outdoorsy activities potentially on deck, if that's what you want to do.

Salina: Or you could just go drink.

Nikki: I don't care about the backdrop.

Nikki: Just care about the bottle.

Salina: Don't hike and drink.

Salina: It's just a little safety tip from us to you.

Nikki: Or do if you want to.

Salina: I guess you can, but it really feels like a bad idea, like you're.

Nikki: Being really judgmental right now.

Salina: Salina, I just don't want you to die.

Nikki: It doesn't feel safe.

Nikki: No.

Salina: So, Main Street, I wonder is what you're hearing about a lot?

Salina: Possibly.

Salina: But this is where you'll find food and drink.

Salina: And that whole downtown area is supposed to be what's really, really cute.

Salina: So I don't know.

Salina: Virginia is just like it's that place that it is in the south, but it's a really long way from us.

Nikki: It is.

Salina: It takes a long time to drive to Virginia, so I don't know I'll be getting there anytime soon.

Salina: So tell us about it.

Salina: Unless Charlottesville wants us to pay us to go.

Nikki: Sure, yeah.

Salina: Or not pay us.

Salina: Just pay for the trip.

Nikki: And us the trip and food.

Salina: So we'll link to some information for anyone that's interested.

Salina: Maybe you're planning a bachelorette party.

Salina: But even if you're not, like, even though this was for planning a bachelorette party, you can totally just use this to plan a trip.

Salina: Because it got me excited to take a trip, and I am well beyond the bachelorette party phase of my life.

Salina: So our last stop for today's tour would be memories.

Salina: And I just wanted to ask Nikki, is there anything that stands out for you as a memory, whether it be your own bachelorette party or other people's bachelorette parties?

Salina: Would you like me to start off?

Nikki: Yes, please.

Salina: I just have to say that the best part about this is that I also give you a heads up.

Nikki: I know I wasn't ready.

Salina: I was just talking about my own bachelorette party first.

Salina: It was actually a shared event with my friend Sylvia, who got married two months before me.

Salina: So we went to her family's lake house in Alabama, Lake Woodalli, and we hung out.

Salina: We ate good food and drank the drinks.

Salina: Thing is, it's been eleven years now, so the details are a little fuzzy at this point.

Salina: But I do remember a couple of key things that are very bachelorette party.

Salina: One is that we both got together and made shirts for everyone, as one does.

Salina: I still have it hanging around here somewhere, but there is a lady in a martini glass.

Salina: And then also very of the time, I have made some of those redneck wine glasses with the red solo cup on top of the candlestick.

Salina: And I have made that for all of our friends before we went.

Salina: I think I might have even put names or something on them.

Salina: So there's that one.

Salina: We also threw our friend Allie her bachelorette party there a few years later.

Salina: I think my friend Kelly's was one of my more memorable bachelorette parties.

Salina: This is the one where we wound up going to the Cornet Club where there's women on one side and men on the other.

Salina: Tip, pro tip.

Salina: It's not going to be what you think it's going to be.

Salina: What it's going to be is if you go to a strip club, I rarely just say this as like, just go ahead and do this proactively, but be drunk because being sober at a strip club is the pits and I will never do it again.

Salina: Sorry.

Salina: This isn't to poopoo on my friend's bachelorette party.

Salina: That was for me.

Salina: No, but I will say that for me, as a female, there was nothing sexy about a man throwing his p****, trying to throw it over my shoulder.

Salina: Yeah, it's just very aggressive.

Salina: I feel like a little bit forward.

Salina: Can we know names first?

Salina: What do you call him?

Nikki: So it was a male stripper, but I thought this was a patron.

Nikki: I missed.

Nikki: A male, female.

Salina: Either way, the dancer a patron.

Salina: Don't throw your p**** over my shoulder.

Salina: I'm saying that a little bit in jest, but just barely.

Salina: Just barely.

Salina: So it wasn't for me?

Nikki: No.

Salina: And I thought I was like, I'll just go over to the side with women because maybe that's a little bit I don't know, it's just be better.

Salina: And then that got me ten shades of sad.

Salina: What I'm trying to say is there should be a two drink minimum, like at comedy clubs, because you need it.

Salina: You need it, nikki, you need the booze.

Salina: Yeah, I did want to give one more.

Nikki: Okay.

Salina: Which is Casey's sister.

Salina: She had a great bachelorette party in Chattanooga.

Salina: We did a scavenger hunt and a dinner cruise.

Salina: The scavenger hunt was like a lot of fun.

Salina: Those I would tell you that.

Salina: Just honestly, that does not really match up with my personality.

Salina: But this is what shows you that sometimes, like, stop being a b*******.

Salina: Just try something new and you might enjoy it.

Salina: Also, chad and do this.

Salina: Very cute.

Nikki: It is.

Nikki: Yeah.

Nikki: That probably should have made the list too.

Nikki: So I have to comment on one thing, which is your beef with charlene's bachelorette party was that it was g rated.

Salina: Yeah.

Nikki: You have described three bachelorette party four bachelorette party experiences which involved a scavenger hunt cups.

Nikki: You made cups and t shirts with the one outlier being the strip club.

Salina: Well, and all the blow that we did.

Salina: Right?

Salina: I didn't say I just said I said women could get wild.

Nikki: I don't know, that was just interesting to me.

Nikki: I have been to a handful of bachelorette parties.

Nikki: I feel like these things, in theory, are way more fun than they are in person.

Nikki: I have a real problem with male strippers.

Nikki: I don't have beef with the strippers.

Nikki: They make me uncomfortable.

Nikki: And that's a me thing.

Nikki: That's not a them thing.

Nikki: It's just not for me.

Nikki: And I went to one bachelorette party where there was a male stripper.

Nikki: My friends probably have different memories of this than I do, but I made friends with him.

Nikki: He was a very nice guy.

Nikki: The stripper part was uncomfortable for me, but afterwards he was very nice.

Salina: I always make friends with the dancers.

Salina: It just happened.

Salina: I'm sorry.

Salina: Especially when they're women dancers, because I'm like, oh, what are you doing?

Salina: Are you in school?

Salina: What's happening here?

Salina: Tell me what's this like?

Salina: Walk me through it.

Salina: You just wind up chatting.

Salina: I don't know.

Nikki: Yeah, so my bachelor at party, I think it was pretty tame because that's my personality.

Nikki: Unfortunately, the people who hosted it for me, I think, understood that, but it was mostly just we must have gone out or something.

Nikki: I remember going to dinner, and I remember coming back, and we did like, a lingerie party, and then we must have gone out afterwards, but it wasn't wild and crazy.

Nikki: So I don't know.

Nikki: That one with the mail stripper is probably the most wild and crazy I've been because we left there and went to opera, which I don't even know if it's open anymore.

Nikki: But when it was open, that place was a lot to take in.

Nikki: Yeah, it was a lot to take in.

Nikki: That was an intense that was an intense night.

Nikki: But yeah, bachelorette parties aren't my favorite thing.

Nikki: I like a bridal shower.

Nikki: I like a wedding bachelor brunch.

Nikki: I would love a brunch.

Nikki: I would love a brunch with bottomless mimosas.

Nikki: That would be super fun for me.

Salina: So that's the other thing.

Salina: I've had plenty of wild nights.

Salina: They didn't always wind up being on bachelorette party.

Nikki: Right.

Salina: I don't know what to tell you.

Salina: That's just like but that actually I'm glad you said that, because what I would actually say when it comes to these parties and when it comes to these memories, for me and what really rose to the top, I can take shots and funnel beers.

Salina: I mean, I don't do that anymore, but I could do that any night.

Salina: I'm, like, in high school, in middle school.

Salina: No, but the thing that was for me is it's like bonding experiences and time with my people.

Salina: It's with the women who've been an integral part of my life.

Salina: And so it's like this opportunity to share in a big milestone in whatever's going on for them and vice versa.

Salina: And I think that's really what was the most meaningful.

Nikki: I think that scavenger hunt sounds super fun.

Nikki: I think a night away with my girlfriends.

Nikki: And we try to do this a couple of times a year to do a night away.

Nikki: And we have one coming up soon.

Nikki: Away from the family, away from the husbands, away from the kids, just to be us.

Nikki: And the older we get, the more we can just enjoy us.

Nikki: We don't need all the stuff that comes with it.

Salina: All the stuff.

Salina: And I think that's, like, that's sort of like the evolution of friendship, too.

Salina: I remember it like just being our girlfriends.

Salina: Now, you have to remember, my friends and I have been friends since some of us were 910.

Salina: Eleven.

Salina: And so this is a very long, storied friendship, right?

Salina: But it was like that time where it was just you and it wasn't all of this peripheral stuff.

Salina: And then you get into this period where suddenly there always has to be like we'll just call them love interests around.

Salina: And you get into this phase where it always has to be partying or always has to be everybody's, always got to be stimulated, and something fun's got.

Nikki: To be going on.

Salina: And I feel like we're circling back to this phase where we really just get we just want to sit there and talk and catch up.

Salina: And what can I say?

Salina: Like, friendship is a great thing.

Salina: And if this is one additional way to celebrate that, I'm all about it.

Salina: One other thing that I wanted to share is that we'll link to a brides article that describes how to plan a bachelorette party.

Salina: If you're in that phase of your life, including important points of etiquette, that will hopefully help avoid any awkward about who's doing what, who's paying for what, because that gets awkward.

Nikki: That does get awkward.

Salina: And here's hoping that this inspired y'all to travel and get wild and then one day get old.

Nikki: Like me.

Salina: Not Nikki.

Salina: She's very young.

Salina: Three months younger.

Salina: And that's this week's edition of Extra Sugar.


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